by Media Park » Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:16 am
Wedgie wrote:I wear skin tight arseless leather pants, wtf do you wear?
by fisho mcspaz » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:32 pm
Quichey wrote:Fisho, how do you feel about people in your life misinterpreting your fiction as fact? Writers draw on their own life experiences for substance, but just as one sentence might drawn from an exact moment, the next sentence could be pure creativity - do you worry that family and friends might interpret it all too literally?
by fisho mcspaz » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:35 pm
GWW wrote:fisho mcspaz wrote:I'll give you an example: my main character, Jase, is playing in the last footy match of the minor round and his opponent keeps eluding him. Finally Jase, out of frustration, tries to put him off with the old 'your missus was a good root' sledge - not realising that she's dead from cancer - and when the other bloke tells him, 'You prick, my wife died two years ago', he responds with 'Well, I reckon that's why she didn't put up much of a fight then.' In order to get away with writing that I had to a) let Jase's opponent give him a good dusting-up before the umpire stepped in; b) get Jase to make a sincere apology to him before the tribunal.
fisho, are you using real town and football club names in your novel or have you made them up?
by the big bang » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:01 pm
fisho mcspaz wrote:Quichey wrote:Fisho, how do you feel about people in your life misinterpreting your fiction as fact? Writers draw on their own life experiences for substance, but just as one sentence might drawn from an exact moment, the next sentence could be pure creativity - do you worry that family and friends might interpret it all too literally?
This is definitely an issue for me as some of the incidents in my novel are based on things that actually happened. One chapter was published as a short story last year - I actually wrote the story first and the novel came out of it. I got the idea for the story from an incident that took place during Aldinga v Reynella in 2007. Aldinga were leading at quarter time - this is a team that usually flogs them by at least 20 goals - and the Reynella boys were a bit rattled and started a few fights. Meanwhile the under-18s were all down by the southern goals drinking Cougar out of a funnel (jeez) and they started getting really loud and obnoxious. I don't know what they said to the Reynella full-forward but he cracked it, screamed 'COME OUT HERE AND SAY THAT, YOU LITTLE C**TS!' and got sent off the ground because, as the umpire said, you could hear him all the way up the other end. Although the teams, players etc. in my story are all fictional, the event described is real - I wrote it almost exactly as I recalled it.
(N.B. - Generally if you're going to incorporate real life in a work of fiction, you've got to consider all the ethics involved, and usually the wisest move is NOT to represent real people. You know how a lot of books begin with 'This is a work of fiction. Any similarity to real people or events is coincidental...' This is purely to cover your own arse so you don't get sued for libel. However, I think that something like a football game is an exception. When a whole bunch of spectators are watching you, your story becomes their story too in a way. So I had absolutely no compunction in recreating those events as truthfully as I remembered them.)
Moving on - I do worry about people interpreting my work literally. Absolutely I worry. I mean - here I'm writing a novel about a football team of chronic losers, and Mr McSpaz plays for Aldinga. You'd be blind not to see a comparison there! But the warning bells didn't really sound until my grandpa asked him 'So, are you one of the characters?' and he said 'Yeah, I think so.' Whereas I would have said no. I won't put real people in my books - it's too awkward and also constricting when I'm trying to develop my characters further. But evidently Mr McSpaz had seen himself in it somewhere. I'm hoping it wasn't the bloke who got paro and pulled off all his clothes and ran naked around the oval after the game.
The real problem for me with my friends and family thinking I'm writing about them, is not the idea that I might offend them or hurt their feelings. All I can do is say, 'No, I did not use you as a character in my book.' From there it is up to them if they believe me or not. What worries me is that, if people do imagine that a particular character is based on them, they'll misinterpret the whole narrative. I know that if I was reading a book and then found out it was about someone I knew, I'd view it from a completely different angle.
But I guess it's inevitable that I am going to incorporate some elements of real people into my characters. One of my mates will say something and I'll think, hey, that's awesome! I'll have to write that down.
by fisho mcspaz » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:27 pm
the big bang wrote:fisho mcspaz wrote:Quichey wrote:Fisho, how do you feel about people in your life misinterpreting your fiction as fact? Writers draw on their own life experiences for substance, but just as one sentence might drawn from an exact moment, the next sentence could be pure creativity - do you worry that family and friends might interpret it all too literally?
This is definitely an issue for me as some of the incidents in my novel are based on things that actually happened. One chapter was published as a short story last year - I actually wrote the story first and the novel came out of it. I got the idea for the story from an incident that took place during Aldinga v Reynella in 2007. Aldinga were leading at quarter time - this is a team that usually flogs them by at least 20 goals - and the Reynella boys were a bit rattled and started a few fights. Meanwhile the under-18s were all down by the southern goals drinking Cougar out of a funnel (jeez) and they started getting really loud and obnoxious. I don't know what they said to the Reynella full-forward but he cracked it, screamed 'COME OUT HERE AND SAY THAT, YOU LITTLE C**TS!' and got sent off the ground because, as the umpire said, you could hear him all the way up the other end. Although the teams, players etc. in my story are all fictional, the event described is real - I wrote it almost exactly as I recalled it.
(N.B. - Generally if you're going to incorporate real life in a work of fiction, you've got to consider all the ethics involved, and usually the wisest move is NOT to represent real people. You know how a lot of books begin with 'This is a work of fiction. Any similarity to real people or events is coincidental...' This is purely to cover your own arse so you don't get sued for libel. However, I think that something like a football game is an exception. When a whole bunch of spectators are watching you, your story becomes their story too in a way. So I had absolutely no compunction in recreating those events as truthfully as I remembered them.)
Moving on - I do worry about people interpreting my work literally. Absolutely I worry. I mean - here I'm writing a novel about a football team of chronic losers, and Mr McSpaz plays for Aldinga. You'd be blind not to see a comparison there! But the warning bells didn't really sound until my grandpa asked him 'So, are you one of the characters?' and he said 'Yeah, I think so.' Whereas I would have said no. I won't put real people in my books - it's too awkward and also constricting when I'm trying to develop my characters further. But evidently Mr McSpaz had seen himself in it somewhere. I'm hoping it wasn't the bloke who got paro and pulled off all his clothes and ran naked around the oval after the game.
The real problem for me with my friends and family thinking I'm writing about them, is not the idea that I might offend them or hurt their feelings. All I can do is say, 'No, I did not use you as a character in my book.' From there it is up to them if they believe me or not. What worries me is that, if people do imagine that a particular character is based on them, they'll misinterpret the whole narrative. I know that if I was reading a book and then found out it was about someone I knew, I'd view it from a completely different angle.
But I guess it's inevitable that I am going to incorporate some elements of real people into my characters. One of my mates will say something and I'll think, hey, that's awesome! I'll have to write that down.
so mr. mcspaz didnt get a gig, but i clearly did! not sure weather to be happy or worried!!
by AFLflyer » Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:59 pm
by the big bang » Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:31 pm
fisho mcspaz wrote:the big bang wrote:fisho mcspaz wrote:Quichey wrote:Fisho, how do you feel about people in your life misinterpreting your fiction as fact? Writers draw on their own life experiences for substance, but just as one sentence might drawn from an exact moment, the next sentence could be pure creativity - do you worry that family and friends might interpret it all too literally?
This is definitely an issue for me as some of the incidents in my novel are based on things that actually happened. One chapter was published as a short story last year - I actually wrote the story first and the novel came out of it. I got the idea for the story from an incident that took place during Aldinga v Reynella in 2007. Aldinga were leading at quarter time - this is a team that usually flogs them by at least 20 goals - and the Reynella boys were a bit rattled and started a few fights. Meanwhile the under-18s were all down by the southern goals drinking Cougar out of a funnel (jeez) and they started getting really loud and obnoxious. I don't know what they said to the Reynella full-forward but he cracked it, screamed 'COME OUT HERE AND SAY THAT, YOU LITTLE C**TS!' and got sent off the ground because, as the umpire said, you could hear him all the way up the other end. Although the teams, players etc. in my story are all fictional, the event described is real - I wrote it almost exactly as I recalled it.
(N.B. - Generally if you're going to incorporate real life in a work of fiction, you've got to consider all the ethics involved, and usually the wisest move is NOT to represent real people. You know how a lot of books begin with 'This is a work of fiction. Any similarity to real people or events is coincidental...' This is purely to cover your own arse so you don't get sued for libel. However, I think that something like a football game is an exception. When a whole bunch of spectators are watching you, your story becomes their story too in a way. So I had absolutely no compunction in recreating those events as truthfully as I remembered them.)
Moving on - I do worry about people interpreting my work literally. Absolutely I worry. I mean - here I'm writing a novel about a football team of chronic losers, and Mr McSpaz plays for Aldinga. You'd be blind not to see a comparison there! But the warning bells didn't really sound until my grandpa asked him 'So, are you one of the characters?' and he said 'Yeah, I think so.' Whereas I would have said no. I won't put real people in my books - it's too awkward and also constricting when I'm trying to develop my characters further. But evidently Mr McSpaz had seen himself in it somewhere. I'm hoping it wasn't the bloke who got paro and pulled off all his clothes and ran naked around the oval after the game.
The real problem for me with my friends and family thinking I'm writing about them, is not the idea that I might offend them or hurt their feelings. All I can do is say, 'No, I did not use you as a character in my book.' From there it is up to them if they believe me or not. What worries me is that, if people do imagine that a particular character is based on them, they'll misinterpret the whole narrative. I know that if I was reading a book and then found out it was about someone I knew, I'd view it from a completely different angle.
But I guess it's inevitable that I am going to incorporate some elements of real people into my characters. One of my mates will say something and I'll think, hey, that's awesome! I'll have to write that down.
so mr. mcspaz didnt get a gig, but i clearly did! not sure weather to be happy or worried!!
Well as it happens, the paro naked guy ends up getting drafted to the AFL...
by A Mum » Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:54 pm
by Dogwatcher » Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:19 pm
by spell_check » Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:53 pm
fisho mcspaz wrote:Quichey wrote:Fisho, how do you feel about people in your life misinterpreting your fiction as fact? Writers draw on their own life experiences for substance, but just as one sentence might drawn from an exact moment, the next sentence could be pure creativity - do you worry that family and friends might interpret it all too literally?
This is definitely an issue for me as some of the incidents in my novel are based on things that actually happened. One chapter was published as a short story last year - I actually wrote the story first and the novel came out of it. I got the idea for the story from an incident that took place during Aldinga v Reynella in 2007. Aldinga were leading at quarter time - this is a team that usually flogs them by at least 20 goals - and the Reynella boys were a bit rattled and started a few fights. Meanwhile the under-18s were all down by the southern goals drinking Cougar out of a funnel (jeez) and they started getting really loud and obnoxious. I don't know what they said to the Reynella full-forward but he cracked it, screamed 'COME OUT HERE AND SAY THAT, YOU LITTLE C**TS!' and got sent off the ground because, as the umpire said, you could hear him all the way up the other end. Although the teams, players etc. in my story are all fictional, the event described is real - I wrote it almost exactly as I recalled it.
(N.B. - Generally if you're going to incorporate real life in a work of fiction, you've got to consider all the ethics involved, and usually the wisest move is NOT to represent real people. You know how a lot of books begin with 'This is a work of fiction. Any similarity to real people or events is coincidental...' This is purely to cover your own arse so you don't get sued for libel. However, I think that something like a football game is an exception. When a whole bunch of spectators are watching you, your story becomes their story too in a way. So I had absolutely no compunction in recreating those events as truthfully as I remembered them.)
Moving on - I do worry about people interpreting my work literally. Absolutely I worry. I mean - here I'm writing a novel about a football team of chronic losers, and Mr McSpaz plays for Aldinga. You'd be blind not to see a comparison there! But the warning bells didn't really sound until my grandpa asked him 'So, are you one of the characters?' and he said 'Yeah, I think so.' Whereas I would have said no. I won't put real people in my books - it's too awkward and also constricting when I'm trying to develop my characters further. But evidently Mr McSpaz had seen himself in it somewhere. I'm hoping it wasn't the bloke who got paro and pulled off all his clothes and ran naked around the oval after the game.
The real problem for me with my friends and family thinking I'm writing about them, is not the idea that I might offend them or hurt their feelings. All I can do is say, 'No, I did not use you as a character in my book.' From there it is up to them if they believe me or not. What worries me is that, if people do imagine that a particular character is based on them, they'll misinterpret the whole narrative. I know that if I was reading a book and then found out it was about someone I knew, I'd view it from a completely different angle.
But I guess it's inevitable that I am going to incorporate some elements of real people into my characters. One of my mates will say something and I'll think, hey, that's awesome! I'll have to write that down.
by A Mum » Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:09 am
Dogwatcher wrote:This site gets enough negative press as it is AM
by fisho mcspaz » Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:55 pm
by fisho mcspaz » Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:56 pm
AFLflyer wrote:" and the Reynella boys were a bit rattled and started a few fights. Meanwhile the under-18s were all down by the southern goals drinking Cougar out of a funnel (jeez) and they started getting really loud and obnoxious. I don't know what they said to the Reynella full-forward but he cracked it, screamed 'COME OUT HERE AND SAY THAT, YOU LITTLE C**TS!' and got sent off the ground because, as the umpire said, you could hear him all the way up the other end."
Haha Milo , he would make a halirous fictional character!
enjoy your stuff also fisho, keep it coming.
ps - couldn't see that darts phone number today in the club (Reynella) you were taliking about?
by Media Park » Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:33 pm
A Mum wrote:Maybe safooty.net could get a 'gig' in this book
Wedgie wrote:I wear skin tight arseless leather pants, wtf do you wear?
by fisho mcspaz » Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:07 pm
Quichey wrote:Thanks for the frank answer, Fisho.
by GWW » Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:14 pm
fisho mcspaz wrote:GWW wrote:fisho mcspaz wrote:I'll give you an example: my main character, Jase, is playing in the last footy match of the minor round and his opponent keeps eluding him. Finally Jase, out of frustration, tries to put him off with the old 'your missus was a good root' sledge - not realising that she's dead from cancer - and when the other bloke tells him, 'You prick, my wife died two years ago', he responds with 'Well, I reckon that's why she didn't put up much of a fight then.' In order to get away with writing that I had to a) let Jase's opponent give him a good dusting-up before the umpire stepped in; b) get Jase to make a sincere apology to him before the tribunal.
fisho, are you using real town and football club names in your novel or have you made them up?
Made them up. All of them. Too many ethical issues involved if I used real places. The story is set around the east Adelaide Hills/Murraylands region, and the towns etc. are based on towns in that area, but only in a general sense. No one's going to think 'Hey, that's our main street!' or 'I've been to that pub.' At least I hope they won't.
by fisho mcspaz » Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:52 pm
GWW wrote:fisho mcspaz wrote:GWW wrote:fisho mcspaz wrote:I'll give you an example: my main character, Jase, is playing in the last footy match of the minor round and his opponent keeps eluding him. Finally Jase, out of frustration, tries to put him off with the old 'your missus was a good root' sledge - not realising that she's dead from cancer - and when the other bloke tells him, 'You prick, my wife died two years ago', he responds with 'Well, I reckon that's why she didn't put up much of a fight then.' In order to get away with writing that I had to a) let Jase's opponent give him a good dusting-up before the umpire stepped in; b) get Jase to make a sincere apology to him before the tribunal.
fisho, are you using real town and football club names in your novel or have you made them up?
Made them up. All of them. Too many ethical issues involved if I used real places. The story is set around the east Adelaide Hills/Murraylands region, and the towns etc. are based on towns in that area, but only in a general sense. No one's going to think 'Hey, that's our main street!' or 'I've been to that pub.' At least I hope they won't.
So it will be based around Callington then
by Footy Chick » Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:00 pm
by fisho mcspaz » Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:41 pm
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