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LMA wrote:I'm trying to get into a role where I shadow him so I can become the crafty old **** they can't get rid of when he retires.

Just need to work on the crafty & old parts...

Do you really get paid out for unused sick leave in your job?

MW wrote:

Booney wrote:Can I ask why he wasn't offered a redundancy? I would have thought he'd be a prime candidate to move on, I appreciate it would be a massive cost to the company but that's money he's entitled too either way.

It wasn't voluntary it was forced on a skills and needs basis. I have a relatively young team that needs his experience. He is (from an age point of view) still a couple of years from retirement and I need(ed) his expertise to help the young Engineers.

Ive seen people like this quit/retire to shove it up the employer, only for more redundancies to be offered in the next 12 months, sometimes its better to just stick around, esp in the current environment.

Dutchy wrote:Do you really get paid out for unused sick leave in your job?

only on retirement but our redundancy package also pays out sick leave as part of the EBA

Dutchy wrote:

MW wrote:

Booney wrote:Can I ask why he wasn't offered a redundancy? I would have thought he'd be a prime candidate to move on, I appreciate it would be a massive cost to the company but that's money he's entitled too either way.

It wasn't voluntary it was forced on a skills and needs basis. I have a relatively young team that needs his experience. He is (from an age point of view) still a couple of years from retirement and I need(ed) his expertise to help the young Engineers.

Ive seen people like this quit/retire to shove it up the employer, only for more redundancies to be offered in the next 12 months, sometimes its better to just stick around, esp in the current environment.

Agree and very likely. Unfortunately he is not willing to have a conversation about it.

MW wrote:

Dutchy wrote:Do you really get paid out for unused sick leave in your job?

only on retirement but our redundancy package also pays out sick leave as part of the EBA

I need to campaign for this in my industry, I have 2 years of unused sick leave!

Dutchy wrote:
I need to campaign for this in my industry, I have 2 years of unused sick leave!

Ours does, I have 108 days up my sleeve.

Dutchy wrote:

MW wrote:

Dutchy wrote:Do you really get paid out for unused sick leave in your job?

only on retirement but our redundancy package also pays out sick leave as part of the EBA

I need to campaign for this in my industry, I have 2 years of unused sick leave!

This only encourages some to take them when not genuinely sick.
Workers should be rewarded for not using them, not punished by losing the amount they’ve accrued.

Spargo wrote:This only encourages some to take them when not genuinely sick.
Workers should be rewarded for not using them, not punished by losing the amount they’ve accrued.

Absolutely, our factory did this for a while and blokes were cashing in big time, the same didn't apply for office staff though

Do you get a full days pay or is it a nominal amount?

In my job, in recent years, if you have a sick day no one does your work and you just end up with 2 days worth of work when you return, so you end up turning up to work unless you are completely stuffed.

Yep, unused sick leave generally not paid out unless EBA etc. However I think workers should receive some compensation if they have it when they leave.
Otherwise, when workers quit the last few weeks they just cash in on the sickies.
I probably have close to 50 days....

All of a sudden i dont feel well...

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Dutchy wrote:Do you get a full days pay or is it a nominal amount?

In my job, in recent years, if you have a sick day no one does your work and you just end up with 2 days worth of work when you return, so you end up turning up to work unless you are completely stuffed.

That's my problem, I've gotta spend half the day fixing other people's f*** ups if I throw a sickie, I only take them when I've planned going to the doctor etc.

MW wrote:

Dutchy wrote:

MW wrote:

Booney wrote:Can I ask why he wasn't offered a redundancy? I would have thought he'd be a prime candidate to move on, I appreciate it would be a massive cost to the company but that's money he's entitled too either way.

It wasn't voluntary it was forced on a skills and needs basis. I have a relatively young team that needs his experience. He is (from an age point of view) still a couple of years from retirement and I need(ed) his expertise to help the young Engineers.

Ive seen people like this quit/retire to shove it up the employer, only for more redundancies to be offered in the next 12 months, sometimes its better to just stick around, esp in the current environment.

Agree and very likely. Unfortunately he is not willing to have a conversation about it.

well he's a dickhead then isn't he.

Spargo wrote:

Dutchy wrote:

MW wrote:

Dutchy wrote:Do you really get paid out for unused sick leave in your job?

only on retirement but our redundancy package also pays out sick leave as part of the EBA

I need to campaign for this in my industry, I have 2 years of unused sick leave!

This only encourages some to take them when not genuinely sick.
Workers should be rewarded for not using them, not punished by losing the amount they’ve accrued.

The reverse is also true though. People are sick, and instead of staying home and resting up, they come to work cause they want to keep the sick day up their sleeve and get it paid out when they retire.
So they come to work crook, do bugger all, stay sick for longer, and often pass on their sickness to other people. And then the company still needs to pay them out as a reward at the end of their employment!

Unfortunately no system is perfect.

I have another employee who would rather take annual leave days when she is sick then spend money seeing a dr to get a dr cert for a sick day.

MW wrote:I have another employee who would rather take annual leave days when she is sick then spend money seeing a dr to get a dr cert for a sick day.

My boss always complains about how long he has to wait and how much he has to stump up to see his GP. He often waits up to 2 weeks.

I can get into my bulk billing clinic to see my GP more often than not same day ( If I call first thing or book on line ) or at worst next day.

Don't people look around at their options?

yeah people are stupid

Dutchy wrote:

MW wrote:

Dutchy wrote:Do you really get paid out for unused sick leave in your job?

only on retirement but our redundancy package also pays out sick leave as part of the EBA

I need to campaign for this in my industry, I have 2 years of unused sick leave!

Same! I reckon I have 580 hours!

MW wrote:I have another employee who would rather take annual leave days when she is sick then spend money seeing a dr to get a dr cert for a sick day.

That's what our freak used to do.

MW wrote:I have another employee who would rather take annual leave days when she is sick then spend money seeing a dr to get a dr cert for a sick day.

$20 for a sick certificate from any pharmacy.
No questions asked.

One of my staff does it and there’s not much I can do about it.