by fish » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:44 pm
by fish » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:47 pm
by therisingblues » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:54 pm
fish wrote:Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanksPsyber wrote:However, other groups with an axe to grind also selectively fund research that suits their agenda
Conservative billionaires used a secretive funding route to channel nearly $120m (£77m) to more than 100 groups casting doubt about the science behind climate change, the Guardian has learned.
The funds, doled out between 2002 and 2010, helped build a vast network of thinktanks and activist groups working to a single purpose: to redefine climate change from neutral scientific fact to a highly polarising "wedge issue" for hardcore conservatives.
The millions were routed through two trusts, Donors Trust and the Donors Capital Fund, operating out of a generic town house in the northern Virginia suburbs of Washington DC. Donors Capital caters to those making donations of $1m or more.
by Sky Pilot » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:20 pm
by therisingblues » Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:56 pm
Sky Pilot wrote:So it's okay to fund scientists with a vested interest to tell us dummies that the world is doomed. But terrible if someone else funds another group of scientists to tell us it is a giant furphy?
Until we put the squeeze on Serious polluters India, China etc I will continue to treat the whole scenario with the contempt it deserves.
An educated scientist will always disagree with another educated scientist. Same as lawyers, tax accountants, mechanics, politicians....
by fish » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:55 am
by Roxy the Rat Girl » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:03 pm
Sky Pilot wrote:So it's okay to fund scientists with a vested interest to tell us dummies that the world is doomed. But terrible if someone else funds another group of scientists to tell us it is a giant furphy?
Until we put the squeeze on Serious polluters India, China etc I will continue to treat the whole scenario with the contempt it deserves.
An educated scientist will always disagree with another educated scientist. Same as lawyers, tax accountants, mechanics, politicians....
by The Sleeping Giant » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:15 pm
by Sky Pilot » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:16 am
The Sleeping Giant wrote:Where you getting that figure from?
by Psyber » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:53 am
Roxy the Rat Girl wrote:About 95% of the worlds scientists agree with the science of global warming, that it is happening, and that something needs to be done to address it. Only 5% don't. This hardly seems to be a topic where the jury is still out (figuratively speaking).Sky Pilot wrote:So it's okay to fund scientists with a vested interest to tell us dummies that the world is doomed. But terrible if someone else funds another group of scientists to tell us it is a giant furphy?
Until we put the squeeze on Serious polluters India, China etc I will continue to treat the whole scenario with the contempt it deserves.
An educated scientist will always disagree with another educated scientist. Same as lawyers, tax accountants, mechanics, politicians....
by Jimmy_041 » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:58 am
by The Sleeping Giant » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:09 am
by Psyber » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:28 am
Not just governments.The Sleeping Giant wrote:Not against creating less pollution. Why are recent governments?
by Q. » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:31 am
Psyber wrote:Not just governments.The Sleeping Giant wrote:Not against creating less pollution. Why are recent governments?
I emailed several unions, sending the link to the W.H.O. classifying diesel fumes on the same level of carcinogenicity as Asbestos, and asking what steps they are planning to take to protect their members, since we take Asbestos very seriously, and got not one reply...
(I assume they'll raise it under the next Coalition government.)
by Roxy the Rat Girl » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:18 pm
Jimmy_041 wrote:The River Murray is going to dry up and we're all going to die![]()
Oh, hang on, it didn't....................
by fish » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:59 pm
The science says that:Psyber wrote:There is no doubt the climate is changing and that we are in a warming phase and that the warming is driving the weather shifts.
Where the jury is out is about whether the primary cause of the change is human activity...
by fish » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:15 pm
by Roxy the Rat Girl » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:31 pm
The Sleeping Giant wrote:Where you getting that figure from?
by Ian » Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:33 am
Psyber wrote:Not just governments.The Sleeping Giant wrote:Not against creating less pollution. Why are recent governments?
I emailed several unions, sending the link to the W.H.O. classifying diesel fumes on the same level of carcinogenicity as Asbestos, and asking what steps they are planning to take to protect their members, since we take Asbestos very seriously, and got not one reply...
(I assume they'll raise it under the next Coalition government.)
by Roxy the Rat Girl » Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:42 am
Ian wrote:Psyber wrote:Not just governments.The Sleeping Giant wrote:Not against creating less pollution. Why are recent governments?
I emailed several unions, sending the link to the W.H.O. classifying diesel fumes on the same level of carcinogenicity as Asbestos, and asking what steps they are planning to take to protect their members, since we take Asbestos very seriously, and got not one reply...
(I assume they'll raise it under the next Coalition government.)
Spot on Psyber, Oxides of Nitrogen (NoX) are the "quiet" one when it comes to diesels emissions, they are a carcinogen and have the potential to do more damage than CO2, High Opacity and particulate matter.
Unlike your typical "black smoke" pollutants that older diesels commonly emit, NoX is not visible to the naked eye, and more disturbingly it is a by product of high combustion temperatures which are required for the modern "cleaner" diesels to achieve their otherwise much lower emissions. Most modern "clean" diesels produce dangerously high amounts of NoX and the most effective way to reduce it...............richen up the mixture and produce more particulates and opacity.
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