If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is OK.

[HH3]

Its about not enflaming an already hostile situation. You want outnumbered police to push bikies and get physical to stop them?

These idiots dont have any respect for authority. So when pushed, they're likely to start throwing haymakers. Three officers assaulted and in need of help, the situation escalates, and theres lockdowns, police chases, etc.

It might not happen but this is what they have to think about. The way they did it was to identify the people and get them when the police had the upper hand. Its how things work. Think about it. The SAS are trained in what they do, and so are the police. They're different people dealing with different problems.

[kickinit]

There's no difference there trained and paid to do a job and they didn't do it. They also know when signing up that they will be in situations like this. If a police officer is too scared because he might pushed or punched what's he going to do when someone's got a gun. How would you feel if someone had a gun to a love one and a police officer said I can't do anything cos I might get hurt. If he's too scared tell him to grow a pair or go and sit behind a desk.

[HH3]

You seriously have no idea

[woodublieve12]

There's no difference there trained and paid to do a job and they didn't do it. They also know when signing up that they will be in situations like this. If a police officer is too scared because he might pushed or punched what's he going to do when someone's got a gun. How would you feel if someone had a gun to a love one and a police officer said I can't do anything cos I might get hurt. If he's too scared tell him to grow a pair or go and sit behind a desk.

what HH3 said.

[kickinit]

So it's ok for someone not to do there job because they where scared they might get hurt? And especially seeing that when they entered in that job they knew that one day they where going to be put in that situation?

[HH3]

Did you read what Ive said at the top of this page? What they did was keep the situation as peaceful as possible so it doesnt escolate. They observed the men, identified them, etc and arrested them when it was safest for everybody to do so.

Say they attempted to push the bikies back out of the yard. One bike throws a punch and knocks a cop down/out. Now the situations out of control. The two remaining cops now have to tend to their collegue, while at the same time trying to control the bikies, who are now **** pissed!

Now you will have road blockages, helicopters, STAR Group...everyone converging on this house. There will be bikies from everywhere coming as well.

Why? To stop a couple of guys walking into a house, who are under passive observation by the police? Not worth it.

This is the type of scenerio police are trained to avoid. Its a bit far out there, but not impossible.

Police work isnt like the movies. Also, comparing SAPOL to the SAS is ridiculous. But even so, do you really think the SAS just attack enemys with 3 times the number of themselves without a lot of planning and failsafes. If they know they're outnumbered, the SAS WILL retreat. Its not an action movie...

[whufc]

Problem is what these people managed to do while in the house may prevent them from a longer or any jail sentence therefore the situation is just as hostile as they will be members of society sooner.

Not sure what is expected of the police but I do agree with kickinit In that when you join the police force you need to expect to be dealing with these situations which includes having to enforce the law to groups of people who maybe bigger stronger than yourself.

Maybe the big issue is why was there only one or two police officers protecting the scene, maybe there should have been more.

People wonder why they think there bigger than the law, probably because the law is scared and let's them do what they want like in this case!

[woodublieve12]

Did you read what Ive said at the top of this page? What they did was keep the situation as peaceful as possible so it doesnt escolate. They observed the men, identified them, etc and arrested them when it was safest for everybody to do so.

Say they attempted to push the bikies back out of the yard. One bike throws a punch and knocks a cop down/out. Now the situations out of control. The two remaining cops now have to tend to their collegue, while at the same time trying to control the bikies, who are now **** pissed!

Now you will have road blockages, helicopters, STAR Group...everyone converging on this house. There will be bikies from everywhere coming as well.

Why? To stop a couple of guys walking into a house, who are under passive observation by the police? Not worth it.

This is the type of scenerio police are trained to avoid. Its a bit far out there, but not impossible.

Police work isnt like the movies. Also, comparing SAPOL to the SAS is ridiculous. But even so, do you really think the SAS just attack enemys with 3 times the number of themselves without a lot of planning and failsafes. If they know they're outnumbered, the SAS WILL retreat. Its not an action movie...

very well said... totally agree

[Booney]

The cops didn't even do anything to stop them they stepped a side and let them through.
These guys are trained in handling these situations and should of at least tried to stop them. whats the point in wasting tax payers money if there just going to say there's too many of them so i'll just step a side. being out numbered is a cop out go ask our SAS boys how many times they have been out numbered in afgan and see how many of them back away.

Yes they are, clearly you are not, and they did precisely what they deemed fit as the right thing to do at the time. Back to light reps for you.

[kickinit]

And what was that decision to allow someone to enter a crime scene. So now these guys will go to court and be found not guilty as they where allowed to enter the house and make the police look like idiots. I don't think what they did was right but it's about time the police actually grew a pair and started to do there job. How does anyone know if that police officer had stood in front of them that they would of done anything, or could of talked to them and escorted one of them through the house to make sure the occupants where ok.

[southee]

And what was that decision to allow someone to enter a crime scene. So now these guys will go to court and be found not guilty as they where allowed to enter the house and make the police look like idiots. I don't think what they did was right but it's about time the police actually grew a pair and started to do there job. How does anyone know if that police officer had stood in front of them that they would of done anything, or could of talked to them and escorted one of them through the house to make sure the occupants where ok.

Sorry mate.

If police went crazy in that situation and arrested everyone that entered the premises ALL HELL would have broken loose and then you would of had the issue of a riot at scene.

Not that great to evacuate the neighbourhood and call in the STARIES in. The scene could have gone pear shaped very quickly.

Its funny how critical you are of the SA police but if they were there for you in a life threatening situation I am sure you would change your way of thinking.

Cheers

[kickinit]

Sorry mate.
If police went crazy in that situation and arrested everyone that entered the premises ALL HELL would have broken loose and then you would of had the issue of a riot at scene.

Not that great to evacuate the neighbourhood and call in the STARIES in. The scene could have gone pear shaped very quickly.

Its funny how critical you are of the SA police but if they were there for you in a life threatening situation I am sure you would change your way of thinking.

Cheers

HAHAHA funniest thing i've ever heard, so arresting 5 guys would of turned into a riot. There where 3 officers there and a D against 5 bikies, those numbers aint going to start a riot, and the starries wouldn't be called for something like that. I'm not saying they had to stop them at all cost but they could of tried at least, and if the situation started getting out of control then let me go.

And i'm sure your way of thinking would change also if you where in a life threating situation and the police said sorry where to scared becuase there's more of them then us.

[whufc]

In all seriousness kickinit does slightly have a point.

If you got give bikies at a bar 3 policemen, the bikies decide they wanna go behind the bar and start pouring themselves drinks do the police stand there and do nothing because of what could happen.

If I'm getting beating up by a group of bikies I really hope the first couple on the scene have balls to help me!

[RustyCage]

It takes more than one cop to arrest someone. So while two cops are restraining someone who will be doing anything he can not to be arrested, what will the other bikies do? Stand there while they wait for their turn to be cuffed? Go into the house anyway? Attack the officers?

Ideally the cops would have maced them and attacked with their batons when they retaliated, but they wouldn't be allowed to do that.

[whufc]

It takes more than one cop to arrest someone. So while two cops are restraining someone who will be doing anything he can not to be arrested, what will the other bikies do? Stand there while they wait for their turn to be cuffed? Go into the house anyway? Attack the officers?

Ideally the cops would have maced them and attacked with their batons when they retaliated, but they wouldn't be allowed to do that.

Agree more numbers at the house was the easiest solution.

Is a worry though (i live 25m from the house Foccarelli was shot at in Munno)that if there is one more bikie than police officers your not going to receive any help.

[whufc]

In all seriousness kickinit does slightly have a point.

If you got 5 bikies at a bar 3 policemen, the bikies decide they wanna go behind the bar and start pouring themselves drinks do the police stand there and do nothing because of what could happen.

If I'm getting beating up by a group of bikies I really hope the first couple on the scene have balls to help me!

[RustyCage]

It takes more than one cop to arrest someone. So while two cops are restraining someone who will be doing anything he can not to be arrested, what will the other bikies do? Stand there while they wait for their turn to be cuffed? Go into the house anyway? Attack the officers?

Ideally the cops would have maced them and attacked with their batons when they retaliated, but they wouldn't be allowed to do that.

Agree more numbers at the house was the easiest solution.

Is a worry though (i live 25m from the house Foccarelli was shot at in Munno)that if there is one more bikie than police officers your not going to receive any help.

Exactly, the number of police at the scene was the bigger problem for me than what the cops that were did or didn't do.

[Pseudo]

It takes more than one cop to arrest someone. So while two cops are restraining someone who will be doing anything he can not to be arrested, what will the other bikies do? Stand there while they wait for their turn to be cuffed? Go into the house anyway? Attack the officers?

Ideally the cops would have maced them and attacked with their batons when they retaliated, but they wouldn't be allowed to do that.

Mace?

Batons?

Sod that. The difference between belligerent and compliant is a TASER....

[RustyCage]

It takes more than one cop to arrest someone. So while two cops are restraining someone who will be doing anything he can not to be arrested, what will the other bikies do? Stand there while they wait for their turn to be cuffed? Go into the house anyway? Attack the officers?

Ideally the cops would have maced them and attacked with their batons when they retaliated, but they wouldn't be allowed to do that.

Mace?

Batons?

Sod that. The difference between belligerent and compliant is a TASER....

Agreed, but tasers are single use things, batons can crack multiple skulls

[southee]

Sorry mate.
If police went crazy in that situation and arrested everyone that entered the premises ALL HELL would have broken loose and then you would of had the issue of a riot at scene.

Not that great to evacuate the neighbourhood and call in the STARIES in. The scene could have gone pear shaped very quickly.

Its funny how critical you are of the SA police but if they were there for you in a life threatening situation I am sure you would change your way of thinking.

Cheers

HAHAHA funniest thing i've ever heard, so arresting 5 guys would of turned into a riot. There where 3 officers there and a D against 5 bikies, those numbers aint going to start a riot, and the starries wouldn't be called for something like that. I'm not saying they had to stop them at all cost but they could of tried at least, and if the situation started getting out of control then let me go.

And i'm sure your way of thinking would change also if you where in a life threating situation and the police said sorry where to scared becuase there's more of them then us.

Ok .... You know all

I take it you have been in a situation like that ?

Hate to tell you but I have !!!!