Drug testing to get the Dole

[Psyber]

So what happens once someone is cut off from centrelink? Lose the roof over their heads? Unable to put food on the table for their kids? Resort to crime to help them get what they need? Add to the cities homeless?
It's ok to say "cut them off and save the rest of us some money" but what happens after that?

I agree that is a real issue.
Perhaps we need, as we used to do in the 1960s and 1970s, to spend the money saved on detoxification and treatment centres providing accommodation and management until those people are ready to function as contributing members of society, rather than enable their destruction of themselves by ignoring them.

I suspect that if people are spending their little money on alcohol, drugs, gambling, or whatever, their kids may be already missing out on food and good care, and we shouldn't just let that continue and create another damaged generation.

[valleys07]

Drug testing wont solve much. But i do like the idea of welfare benefits being placed on cards, used to pay bills, shopping etc.

[The Ash Man]

I think we are missing the big picture

They are spending our taxes on something that is ILLEGAL as deemed by the very government that is handing them the money

[scoob]

I think we are missing the big picture

They are spending our taxes on something that is ILLEGAL as deemed by the very government that is handing them the money

But it is ok if they are escaping their shitty lives.

[RustyCage]

I think we are missing the big picture

They are spending our taxes on something that is ILLEGAL as deemed by the very government that is handing them the money

Drug test them and arrest them then

[HH3]

A lot of people on Newstart would already be in Housing Trust homes. Centrelink and Housing SA could just work together and have the tenants rent deducted from the payment before it hits the persons bank account. Also have bills for Housing Trust homes go through Housing SA, where they can be paid through them beforehand, or and arrangement made with the tenant.

The spending on food and neccessities could be worked out in partnership with a local supermarket chain eg Foodland. Give people a card with a certain amount of money on it each fortnight that can only be used at that business. Foodland dont have a liquar chain I am aware of, unlike Coles with Liquarland, so there cant be much danger of buying alcohol with the cards.

The remainder of the funds could then be paid into the persons account as disposable income. Theres nothing to say this money wouldnt be used for drugs, but you have to give disadvantaged people freedom.

I was on Newstart in my late teens, but still living with my parents, it was all disposable income, and I admit I did waste it. Never on illicit drugs, but I did buy alcohol, I wasted it on take away all the time. But if I had to live off of it, pay rent and bills with it, theres no way Id be able to survive without some sort of guidance. Im sure some people see this as taking peoples rights away, but I see it as a helping hand to try and manage with what you have.

Ive been working full time for a few years now, and even earning what I do, I struggle with money management. I wish I had someone controlling what I spent my money on, because that one splurge at House of the Red Dragon tends to bite me in the arse later in the week when I need the $50 I spent on special fried rice.

[scoob]

A lot of people on Newstart would already be in Housing Trust homes. Centrelink and Housing SA could just work together and have the tenants rent deducted from the payment before it hits the persons bank account. Also have bills for Housing Trust homes go through Housing SA, where they can be paid through them beforehand, or and arrangement made with the tenant.

The spending on food and neccessities could be worked out in partnership with a local supermarket chain eg Foodland. Give people a card with a certain amount of money on it each fortnight that can only be used at that business. Foodland dont have a liquar chain I am aware of, unlike Coles with Liquarland, so there cant be much danger of buying alcohol with the cards.

The remainder of the funds could then be paid into the persons account as disposable income. Theres nothing to say this money wouldnt be used for drugs, but you have to give disadvantaged people freedom.

I was on Newstart in my late teens, but still living with my parents, it was all disposable income, and I admit I did waste it. Never on illicit drugs, but I did buy alcohol, I wasted it on take away all the time. But if I had to live off of it, pay rent and bills with it, theres no way Id be able to survive without some sort of guidance. Im sure some people see this as taking peoples rights away, but I see it as a helping hand to try and manage with what you have.

Ive been working full time for a few years now, and even earning what I do, I struggle with money management. I wish I had someone controlling what I spent my money on, because that one splurge at House of the Red Dragon tends to bite me in the arse later in the week when I need the $50 I spent on special fried rice.

Just get yourself a missus

[Wedgie]

Yes they do but they wouldn't dare employ the same tactic with white people.

I think someone said they're trialling it in the Playford area as well.

It's not mandatory in the Playford area, only voluntary as it is also in Bankstown, Greater Shepparton, Logan and Rockhampton.
Having a voluntary program as opposed to forcing people to do something are 2 completely different issues IMHO.

[HH3]

A lot of people on Newstart would already be in Housing Trust homes. Centrelink and Housing SA could just work together and have the tenants rent deducted from the payment before it hits the persons bank account. Also have bills for Housing Trust homes go through Housing SA, where they can be paid through them beforehand, or and arrangement made with the tenant.

The spending on food and neccessities could be worked out in partnership with a local supermarket chain eg Foodland. Give people a card with a certain amount of money on it each fortnight that can only be used at that business. Foodland dont have a liquar chain I am aware of, unlike Coles with Liquarland, so there cant be much danger of buying alcohol with the cards.

The remainder of the funds could then be paid into the persons account as disposable income. Theres nothing to say this money wouldnt be used for drugs, but you have to give disadvantaged people freedom.

I was on Newstart in my late teens, but still living with my parents, it was all disposable income, and I admit I did waste it. Never on illicit drugs, but I did buy alcohol, I wasted it on take away all the time. But if I had to live off of it, pay rent and bills with it, theres no way Id be able to survive without some sort of guidance. Im sure some people see this as taking peoples rights away, but I see it as a helping hand to try and manage with what you have.

Ive been working full time for a few years now, and even earning what I do, I struggle with money management. I wish I had someone controlling what I spent my money on, because that one splurge at House of the Red Dragon tends to bite me in the arse later in the week when I need the $50 I spent on special fried rice.

Just get yourself a missus

I do...I usually pay for her chinese too

[tigermad]

drug test them if there are caught out put them on the card simple !!

[Hefty]

So what happens once someone is cut off from centrelink? Lose the roof over their heads? Unable to put food on the table for their kids? Resort to crime to help them get what they need? Add to the cities homeless?

It's ok to say "cut them off and save the rest of us some money" but what happens after that?

They could alway resort to getting a job........just throwing it out there!!

[Johno6]

$50 OF SPECIAL FRIED RICE SHOULD FEED YOU FOR A GOOD WEEK.

[Gozu]

So what happens once someone is cut off from centrelink? Lose the roof over their heads? Unable to put food on the table for their kids? Resort to crime to help them get what they need? Add to the cities homeless?

It's ok to say "cut them off and save the rest of us some money" but what happens after that?

They could alway resort to getting a job........just throwing it out there!!

And if they can't get a job? When welfare quarantining is fully implemented watch crime rates go up.

[Sky Pilot]

Its an awful situation for everyone concerned. Government's, welfare agencies, housing trust, health services etc.
The chronic unemployed - the dude who just is not going to ever get a job because he's scruffy and largely unemployable needs different assistance than a genuine goer who keeps clean, applies for jobs and inevitably gets one. I strongly believe the scruffs and sundry bludgers should be made to work for the dole and stuff what the unions and fair work practices enforcers object to. Gardening, small repair jobs and painting pensioners and war widows homes/units. Helping meals on wheels out, building pathways through the national park network, restoring historical buildings....the list goes on.

[scoob]

Its an awful situation for everyone concerned. Government's, welfare agencies, housing trust, health services etc.
The chronic unemployed - the dude who just is not going to ever get a job because he's scruffy and largely unemployable needs different assistance than a genuine goer who keeps clean, applies for jobs and inevitably gets one. I strongly believe the scruffs and sundry bludgers should be made to work for the dole and stuff what the unions and fair work practices enforcers object to. Gardening, small repair jobs and painting pensioners and war widows homes/units. Helping meals on wheels out, building pathways through the national park network, restoring historical buildings....the list goes on.

How are they meant to do all that when they are constantly stoned and are dealing with important stuff like the munchies and Judge Judy...

[Gozu]

WFTD (Work For The Dole) has been in for about 15 years now. I believe it kicks in when someone has been unemployed for 6 months (might be 3 months now) and they have to do it for 20-30 hours a week for 6 months I think in every 12 month cycle. That's on top of the x amount jobs you need to apply for each fortnight and the Job Diary thing.

I've experienced in the past and heard plenty of horror stories from dealing with Job Search Providers too which all unemployed people have to sign up to as well. That system was a nicle little rort of taxpayer's money the Howard government set up.

[Sky Pilot]

Its an awful situation for everyone concerned. Government's, welfare agencies, housing trust, health services etc.
The chronic unemployed - the dude who just is not going to ever get a job because he's scruffy and largely unemployable needs different assistance than a genuine goer who keeps clean, applies for jobs and inevitably gets one. I strongly believe the scruffs and sundry bludgers should be made to work for the dole and stuff what the unions and fair work practices enforcers object to. Gardening, small repair jobs and painting pensioners and war widows homes/units. Helping meals on wheels out, building pathways through the national park network, restoring historical buildings....the list goes on.

How are they meant to do all that when they are constantly stoned and are dealing with important stuff like the munchies and Judge Judy...

yeah I see your point Scoob
I suppose just leave it as is then?

[scoob]

Its an awful situation for everyone concerned. Government's, welfare agencies, housing trust, health services etc.
The chronic unemployed - the dude who just is not going to ever get a job because he's scruffy and largely unemployable needs different assistance than a genuine goer who keeps clean, applies for jobs and inevitably gets one. I strongly believe the scruffs and sundry bludgers should be made to work for the dole and stuff what the unions and fair work practices enforcers object to. Gardening, small repair jobs and painting pensioners and war widows homes/units. Helping meals on wheels out, building pathways through the national park network, restoring historical buildings....the list goes on.

How are they meant to do all that when they are constantly stoned and are dealing with important stuff like the munchies and Judge Judy...

yeah I see your point Scoob
I suppose just leave it as is then?

I own a hydroponics store and believe it is for the best.

[Sky Pilot]

Its an awful situation for everyone concerned. Government's, welfare agencies, housing trust, health services etc.
The chronic unemployed - the dude who just is not going to ever get a job because he's scruffy and largely unemployable needs different assistance than a genuine goer who keeps clean, applies for jobs and inevitably gets one. I strongly believe the scruffs and sundry bludgers should be made to work for the dole and stuff what the unions and fair work practices enforcers object to. Gardening, small repair jobs and painting pensioners and war widows homes/units. Helping meals on wheels out, building pathways through the national park network, restoring historical buildings....the list goes on.

How are they meant to do all that when they are constantly stoned and are dealing with important stuff like the munchies and Judge Judy...

yeah I see your point Scoob
I suppose just leave it as is then?

I own a hydroponics store and believe it is for the best.

I amnufacture perlite on hte side

[Johno6]

pretty sure im gonna get chinese for tea tonight