Rego Cameras?

[Dissident]

As it seems there are a few people who manage to miss a point I will give an example.

What if a car is used by a number of different people for a business purpose and the registration happens to lapse without anyone becoming aware. It is caught on camera driving unregistered.

If the car isn't registered who do they make the fine out to? You can't fine the car. The person who previously registered the car would be well within their rights to say I don't drive it hence I didn't register it.

You shouldn't be driving it.

I'm not sure why you are responding to my question if your answer has nothing to do with it.

Just taking the p!ss.

The owner of the car gets fined. It is in turn his or her responsibility to pay it. I got done* in the missus' car a month or two ago. I paid it, but the bill was made out to her. Haha.

Ok.

Car is unregistered.

Husband knows this. Is going to pay it. Doesn't drive car until it is registered.

Son comes home and Dad isn't there, but wants to borrow car. Takes it (knows where a key is)

Gets done.

Dad still get the fine?

[tipper]

As it seems there are a few people who manage to miss a point I will give an example.

What if a car is used by a number of different people for a business purpose and the registration happens to lapse without anyone becoming aware. It is caught on camera driving unregistered.

If the car isn't registered who do they make the fine out to? You can't fine the car. The person who previously registered the car would be well within their rights to say I don't drive it hence I didn't register it.

in that case the fine is sent to the last registered owner. if they werent driving, they need to nominate who was, or cop the fine. same deal as if the car is photographed speeding.

also, it is a legal requirement now to inform the rego dept of the sale of a vehicle. unfortunately it is no longer an excuse to say i sold it after the fine rocks up. you are supposed to notify sale within 14 days to prevent the new owners fines being sent to you, among other things.

in the case of borrowing a car, and it being unregistered, unfortunately the responsibility rests with the driver, not with the owner/lender of the car. as part of the move to get rid of labels, a new form has been designed, and can be kept with the car (it doesnt have any personal info on it, just rego details) so that it can be checked to see if the car is registered, it just wont be on the window.

also there is now IPhone and Android apps, that can be used to check a cars rego for free within seconds. just enter the rego number and it will tell you if it is rego's or not. it can also be checked online usintg the EzyReg site, also for free.

personally i dont see the problem with getting rid of the rego labels, i can honestly say i dont even remember the last time i even looked at the date on a rego label, on mine or anyone elses car.

[OnSong]

Ok.

Car is unregistered.

Husband knows this. Is going to pay it. Doesn't drive car until it is registered.

Son comes home and Dad isn't there, but wants to borrow car. Takes it (knows where a key is)

Gets done.

Dad still get the fine?

The owner of the car gets the fine.

[tipper]

Ok.

Car is unregistered.

Husband knows this. Is going to pay it. Doesn't drive car until it is registered.

Son comes home and Dad isn't there, but wants to borrow car. Takes it (knows where a key is)

Gets done.

Dad still get the fine?

in that case dad gets the fine, if the car is registered in his name, but can sign it over to the son, as i said, same as with speeding fines. there is nothing new here.

not sure though wether dad would even bother to go through the process to get it signed over, unless there are demerit points involved, which i cant remember if there is or not.

driving unregistered is no longer an offence that has to go before a magistrate, unless you want to contest the charge. it is the same now as all of the speeding and red light offences, if you pay the fine when you get it in the mail, it goes against your record, if it wasnt you, see a JP and get it signed over to the correct driver, if yo uwant to contest it, go to court.

[OnSong]

What makes this scenario confusing is there is both a husband and a dad in it. Are they the same person?? Or is it a gay couple with son??

[tipper]

[Zelezny Chucks]

As it seems there are a few people who manage to miss a point I will give an example.

What if a car is used by a number of different people for a business purpose and the registration happens to lapse without anyone becoming aware. It is caught on camera driving unregistered.

If the car isn't registered who do they make the fine out to? You can't fine the car. The person who previously registered the car would be well within their rights to say I don't drive it hence I didn't register it.

in that case the fine is sent to the last registered owner. if they werent driving, they need to nominate who was, or cop the fine. same deal as if the car is photographed speeding.

also, it is a legal requirement now to inform the rego dept of the sale of a vehicle. unfortunately it is no longer an excuse to say i sold it after the fine rocks up. you are supposed to notify sale within 14 days to prevent the new owners fines being sent to you, among other things.

in the case of borrowing a car, and it being unregistered, unfortunately the responsibility rests with the driver, not with the owner/lender of the car. as part of the move to get rid of labels, a new form has been designed, and can be kept with the car (it doesnt have any personal info on it, just rego details) so that it can be checked to see if the car is registered, it just wont be on the window.
also there is now IPhone and Android apps, that can be used to check a cars rego for free within seconds. just enter the rego number and it will tell you if it is rego's or not. it can also be checked online usintg the EzyReg site, also for free.

personally i dont see the problem with getting rid of the rego labels, i can honestly say i dont even remember the last time i even looked at the date on a rego label, on mine or anyone elses car.

Which comes back to my original question if the onus is on the driver and it is just a photograph how are they going to punish the driver? It's not an offence to own an unregistered car it is an offence to drive one.

Seems to be another case of guilty till proven innocent.

[tipper]

the "owner" either accepts responsibility and pays the fine they receive, or they nominate who was driving and a new fine is generated and sent to them. it is exactly the same process for speeding fines. it really isnt that hard

[OnSong]

the "owner" either accepts responsibility and pays the fine they receive, or they nominate who was driving and a new fine is generated and sent to them. it is exactly the same process for speeding fines. it really isnt that hard

What if you need to drive your unregistered car to Service SA to register it, as you have no internet access?

And as you're driving, you stop and pick up two sexy Swedish hitchhikers. who mug you and steal your car.

They get caught, and you press charges, but do you still get a bill for driving the unregistered vehicle at the time of the mugging?

[Dissident]

Pics or GTFO

[tipper]

lol, you would get the fine, but you would then be able to nominate them as the drivers, using the police report showing the time that the car was stolen as proof you werent the driver. and if only i was that lucky!! did they sexually assault you too by any chance?

more seriously, driving the car to get it registered is still driving it unregistered. it would not stand up as an excuse in court, so you could still "get done"

meanwhile, please dont think i am trying to spruik/defend all of the governments so called road safety initiatives, i just dont see why the removal of registration labels, or the ability of roadside cameras to check the validity of the registration of passing traffic is a bad thing.

i think the main reason there has been a dramatic increase in people being fined for driving unregistered has everything to do with there being more ways to get caught, not there beig more people driving unregistered.

[Dissident]

the "owner" either accepts responsibility and pays the fine they receive, or they nominate who was driving and a new fine is generated and sent to them. it is exactly the same process for speeding fines. it really isnt that hard

Actually, I find it a bit different.

If you SPEED in someone elses car - you are consciously and knowingly speeding.

My point was more that, since there won't be stickers anymore, you can borrow someone's car not knowing it's not registered.

I assume that's just bad luck.

[tipper]

pretty much it is a case of bad luck unfortunately. but as i also said before, i dont recall ever checking the label when i have borrowed a mates car before i drove it. i know some people do, but i really dont think it is as big an issue as it is being made out to be.

edit: also if the car you have borrowed has a dodgy speedo, you may not be consciously speeding, yet you are still at fault. there are many things that can be wrong with a borrowed car, blown globes, bald tires etc, but how many of us do a comprehensive check of the whole car before we borrow it? hell, i dont even check the globes in my cars that often

also i meant the system of nominating the driver when the fine turns up in the mail is the same as speeding fines. sorry if i wasnt that clear

[Psyber]

The lack of a sticker concerns me in one aspect.
I've always checked them on loan cars after one occasion when a dealer lent me an unregistered car while mine was being serviced.
It was accidental, due to an administrative error at the dealership, and I didn't get picked up.
I only noticed it had expired a month earlier as I was returning it after 2 days. [It was a fairly current BMW I was lent, too.]

So now I have to remember to do more than just look at the sticker.

[CENTURION]

My car wasn't registered, the better half drove it, I got the fine, I signed a stat. dec. to state that she was driving, they cancelled my fine & sent one to her, plus loss of points. Simple.

[Dissident]

I know it's simple - but it's not as easy to accept if your better half didn't know it wasn't registered.

[Dog_ger]

I registered my vehicle about 3 weeks ago.

I have not recieved anything from the motor vehicle rego people yet...

I only have the reciept of the day i registered same vehicle.

Whats going on....???

CONFUSION......

Why is there CONFUSION in a BETTER SYSTEM....

FINE COMMING UP ONE THINKS.....

[Thiele]

I registered my vehicle about 3 weeks ago.

I have not recieved anything from the motor vehicle rego people yet...

I only have the reciept of the day i registered same vehicle.

Whats going on....???

No more stickers. Keep Recipet

[heater31]

I registered my vehicle about 3 weeks ago.

I have not recieved anything from the motor vehicle rego people yet...

I only have the reciept of the day i registered same vehicle.

Whats going on....???

CONFUSION......

Why is there CONFUSION in a BETTER SYSTEM....

FINE COMMING UP ONE THINKS.....

I got mine renewal in the snail mail today. Along with the usual form telling me how much it included all the associated bull dust about the new system.

[fish]

Which comes back to my original question if the onus is on the driver and it is just a photograph how are they going to punish the driver? It's not an offence to own an unregistered car it is an offence to drive one.

Seems to be another case of guilty till proven innocent.

ZC I reckon it's an offence to have an unregistered car anywhere other than on private property - I believe it is illegal for it to even be parked on the side of the road without rego.

So I suppose the onus is on the owner to get an unregistered vehicle onto their land and to make sure it stays there until it is registered again.