Asylum seekers

[JAS]

Send them back or blow up there boat with them inside

You and the other rednecks on here are vile specimens indeed.

I reckon it's the like ex-smokers being the ones who scream loudest about those that still smoke.

Unless you come from somewhere in the highlands of Ethiopia then we are ALL immigrants or descended from them.

I'm sure the BNP would be so proud of you all...shame they don't stop to think that Anglo is from around Denmark and Saxon is from Germany.

We (the 1st world) go around constantly boasting about how fabulous our countries are and how we're all living the dream in the land of plenty and then we are all so stunned and shocked when people, who our greed helps keep in unimaginable poverty, are willing to risk their lives and more money than they could never hope to payback to try and have a piece of that fantasy world.

If we want to blame anyone for the immigration problem then maybe we should start with ourselves and our own greed and ignorance.

Regards
JAS

WHAT...? I think you are lost in your castle JAS

Maybe lets send all boat people to JAS's Castle...!

Any chance, for once, that you might actually explain what on earth you're talking about?

How does trying to face up to some of the causes of illegal immigration and take some responsibilty, something I think everyone should have the balls to do, put me in a 'castle'?

Regards
JAS

[redandblack]

Well said, JAS, but I fear it's lost on some of the more extreme posters on here.

As for you, Dog_ger, your contribution is just nonsense.

[Dog_ger]

Everyone wants to be a saint.

Well be a saint and invite them to your place.

We don't want them!

[redandblack]

Just more nonsense

[redandblack]

Send them back or blow up there boat with them inside

Thiele, I'm a huge fan and supporter of yours, so I'm a bit surprised you're advocating mass murder by our country against innocent people.

[Dog_ger]

of course you have the answer redandblack,

We are listening.....

[redandblack]

There are no easy answers to a problem like this, Dogger.

These people are fleeing the Tamil part of Sri Lanka. Whether true or not, the Government there have been accused of atrocities against the Tamil population.

I don't know the answer any more than anyone else. I do know, however, that my feelings tend to be more compassionate than yours in such matters. I certainly know that 'blowing up' (ie: killing) men, women and children for no other reason than that they are seeking asylum is not part of any solution I'd respect.

You can stick to your simplistic and inhuman solutions. I see more hope in JAS's feelings.

[JAS]

I honestly don't believe sinking a boat would make any difference. Countries with capital punishment still have capital crimes committed. Every year dozens, if not hundreds, of bodies are washed up on the Spanish and Italian coastlines...immigrants who were either in small, overcrowded boats that capsized or forced overboard by ruthless people smugglers but thousands still keep trying.

As R&B said there is no easy answer but I think we have to be part of the solution by helping to improve the conditions in their own countries. If they have the hope of a future for themselves and their families in their own countries more will want to stay put. In a lot of cases we helped to create the problems by backing/funding years of war or helping to keep the countries in poverty to reap the benifits of buying/acquiring cheaper natural resources or cheap labour. Time to start putting things right imho.

Regards
JAS

[Psyber]

I'd started a new thread slightly moved away from this one's focus, while this one was locked.
My main point in the thread I started was that people's perceptions often do not gel with reality, and on a map this country looks large a large land with a small population and plenty of room for more.
Perhaps we need to make more public the limitations of our food and water resources.
But of course the rest of the world may think we are just lying...

[Hondo]

We shouldn't forget what these people are escaping from. Often it's inhumane conditions and hardships most of us could not even contemplate. That doesn't mean they should jump the queue but if it's a life and death decision for their family can we always just turn them back and tell them to come back when they fill out the official paperwork?

I feel that every developed country has some responsibility to take on a reasonable number of refugees from countries where human rights are being treated with contempt. Yes, they should come through official means but it's not a perfect world. Yes, we need to deter the people smugglers but we also need to show some compassion at times as a developed society. Like R&B says there's no easy answers and I won't pretend to have them on this issue.

One stat I was interested to learn was that the rate of illegal immigration has neither increased nor decreased from the John Howard "tough on border security" days to today. Take from that what you will.

[Thiele]

Send them back or blow up there boat with them inside

Thiele, I'm a huge fan and supporter of yours, so I'm a bit surprised you're advocating mass murder by our country against innocent people.

Sorry Sir. Ok just send them back.

[redandblack]

No worries, Thiele

[aceman]

There will be NO WINNER in this debate!

[Sojourner]

The way to solve the problem is to solve the problematic situations in their own nations including poverty.

Yet how did the United Nations influenced by the Political Left as it is deal with the situation in Rwanda? Simply they stood back and did nothing at all except for instructing their UN troops not to fire on any militants, hence the UN Troops just stood back and watched whilst one group of Hutu Tribes people took up their machetes and killed as many Tutsi tribe members as they could including young children and at the same time used as many women as they could find for the Rape Camps they organised. The situation only changed when the Hutu army came close to the borders of another nation and that nation joined the Tutsi side to repel them back. The point that I am making is that the United Nations was completely well aware of what was happening and knew that the only way it could be stopped would to authorise UN troops to fight the rebel army, yet because of their Left Wing Political structures they could not take that action of ordering their troops to kill, so sat back and watched a massacre and displacement of people unfold.

Hence the U.N itself is actually the cause of many refugees by its own corruption and inaction and I feel that much more pressure should be placed upon them to actually show results for the millions of Australian dollars that are put into it each year by taxpayers.

By all means we should give as many refugee places as we can, yet lets give those places to people that really are refugees, not those that are cashed up and although oppressed in their own nations area not actually genuine refugees as many people really are that are starting new lives here from Liberia and the Sudan and places like that.

[redden whites]

I reckon we dont let no one in unless they speak fluent english and have skills that we need
otherwise these refugees are just stealing our jobs and costing our government money!

OMG...Ted Bullpit returns

[redden whites]

What is the solution here folks ??

That will stop them coming

White folk still go to Bali.....That does not work.

[redden whites]

Send them back or blow up there boat with them inside

Cant quite handle the thought of looking at em while pulling the trigger eh Thiele.
How about we fly them here and you shoot them 1 by 1?.........pathetic post mate

[ORDoubleBlues]

Send them back or blow up there boat with them inside

You and the other rednecks on here are vile specimens indeed.

I'm sure Thiele just meant that if that's their threat, let them do it. Laughable by the major networks to show 9 year old girls crying that have no idea about how things are.

No one should be subject to inhumane conditions but the refugee treaty is not about the best economic outlook.

[Q.]

The percentage of global asylum seekers granted visas by Australia is tiny compared to most European countries.

There are many myths being touted as fact in this thread, a little bit of research doesn't go astray.

[cje]

shouldnt we look after our own before we look after them?