tattoos

[Psyber]

Tattoos do give me doubts about he person's class, good sense, judgment, and taste.

I don't have tattoos but where do i start to point out how much of a stuck up snobby w@nker that makes you sound like.

I don't mind you having that point of view old boy. I assume you have it about anyone whose view you don't agree with, rather than give reasoned consideration to why they think that way, which would require thought and a certain honesty about your own judgement mechanismss...

As an employer I have to make decisions on any clue I can get about people because you can't go by what they say!

By "class" of course I mean style and presentation in dealing with the public, and not necessarily social classification, although there may be some incomplete correlation.
[I was born a working class boy.]

[Hondo]

A lot of it's to do with how you carry yourself and conduct yourself in general

If someone with a tat helped an old lady across the road I'd rather talk to him than some aggressive wanker with no tats who abuses his partner in public, for example

Assuming someone is a certain way just based on having a tat without getting to know them first is dangerous

They are definitely popular with young females from what I perv .... I mean see So as that generation works through the system it will get more and more accepted

[rod_rooster]

Tattoos do give me doubts about he person's class, good sense, judgment, and taste.

I don't have tattoos but where do i start to point out how much of a stuck up snobby w@nker that makes you sound like.

I don't mind you having that point of view old boy. I assume you have it about anyone whose view you don't agree with, rather than give reasoned consideration to why they think that way, which would require thought and a certain honesty about your own judgement mechanismss...

As an employer I have to make decisions on any clue I can get about people because you can't go by what they say!

By "class" of course I mean style and presentation in dealing with the public, and not necessarily social classification, although there may be some incomplete correlation.
[I was born a working class boy.]

Don't call me "old boy".

I've given reasoned thinking to why you think that way. The problem is if people continue to use that thinking the social issues we have will never go away. Even today employers have issues with certain races and religions. If your sort of attitude continues society will not progress to become a civilised as you believe you are. If only everyone could be the person Psyber is the world would be perfect i guess

[woodwt]

That is shocking!!

[Pseudo]

That is shocking!!

Yeah - he's drinking VB!

[therisingblues]

Tattoos do give me doubts about he person's class, good sense, judgment, and taste.

I don't have tattoos but where do i start to point out how much of a stuck up snobby w@nker that makes you sound like.

I don't mind you having that point of view old boy. I assume you have it about anyone whose view you don't agree with, rather than give reasoned consideration to why they think that way, which would require thought and a certain honesty about your own judgement mechanismss...

As an employer I have to make decisions on any clue I can get about people because you can't go by what they say!

By "class" of course I mean style and presentation in dealing with the public, and not necessarily social classification, although there may be some incomplete correlation.
[I was born a working class boy.]

Don't call me "old boy".

I've given reasoned thinking to why you think that way. The problem is if people continue to use that thinking the social issues we have will never go away. Even today employers have issues with certain races and religions. If your sort of attitude continues society will not progress to become a civilised as you believe you are. If only everyone could be the person Psyber is the world would be perfect i guess

Steady on RR! Even the way people wear their hair, or dress themselves can cause others to have "doubts about the person's class, good sense, judgment, and taste" I don't think race and religion really comes into it. As an employer Psyber is doing the right thing saying his true feelings on the topic. It would be worse for him to keep his mouth shut and pass value judgments on these people without ever letting about the reason. This thread is asking for opinions and he's given one. Fair enough if you disagree, but pulling out the two big R's (race and religion) is going a bit far.

[JK]

Tattoos do give me doubts about he person's class, good sense, judgment, and taste.

I don't have tattoos but where do i start to point out how much of a stuck up snobby w@nker that makes you sound like.

I don't mind you having that point of view old boy. I assume you have it about anyone whose view you don't agree with, rather than give reasoned consideration to why they think that way, which would require thought and a certain honesty about your own judgement mechanismss...

As an employer I have to make decisions on any clue I can get about people because you can't go by what they say!

By "class" of course I mean style and presentation in dealing with the public, and not necessarily social classification, although there may be some incomplete correlation.
[I was born a working class boy.]

Sorry Psyb, but I gotta say I can see where Rod is coming from ... All of those things you doubt, if they are determined for you by this particular choice of an individual, I reckon suggests narrow-mindedness.

No offence intended, but I think you need to broaden your horizons and open your mind a little ... Try to understand for a moment that someone can do something you wouldn't, and possibly why, without passing judgement.

[BIG SEXY]

i know what your saying as an employer psyber, however im not sure i 100% agree with you, when i interview people its how they present themselves as a person rather than how the look, for me anyway.
i did ask for opinions and thats what i got, i thank you all for your input so far and look forward to reading the posts in the next couple of days.
just to update you all i have decided to draw up a rough sketch of what i want and will show dad to see if i can turn him at all. if i figure out how i will try and post a pic in here also.

[Dirko]

Crush, I drew about 5 designs, and in the end chucked them in and went with what the tattooist suggested. The way I have mine is I can add a flower etc at a later stage, something I was keen on, as my kids personalities develop, I might find my youngest daughter who is a bit of a tomboy bruiser (takes after her brother !) might hate flowers and would rather a TIGER associated with her name...
Post your design I'd like to see it ! What tatt parlour are you getting it done at ?

Psyber, I worked for a big national company in a supervisory/management role for 16 years, when I attended a business meeting or conference, I always wore business shirt/suit/tie etc. Clean shaved, decent haircut, and my tatt covered up. Now I was dealing with National managers on these things and they would've had no idea about the tatt. My input, knowledge and experience in my chosen field was what decided my career path not some tattoo. To say one of those managers may have been questioned my good sense and judgement because they may have seen my tattoo would suggest to me that they are shallow and should back their judgement from a operational view not from their personnel biased. I employed many a person with tattoo's as I took them on what they could provide for the company, not what people may think. Totally justified as my better judgement gained some excellent porters who had a great relationship with the customers who they dealt with and they had a superb work ethic. If I went for face value I would have missed out on them and they would've been someone else's gain...

[johntheclaret]

Pretty much agree with all you say DW. I don't have any tatts, although 2 of my kids do. Personally I wouldn't have one (too old for a start), but I wouldn't criticise anyone who did.

Agree though, in business, impressions are important. I employ about 30 people and also manage about 6 other companies which involve maybe 150 people so do a fair bit of interviewing.

Like I said to my son when he got a hole pierced in his ear and inserted a steel ring in stretching the hole to 2.4cm, "what would a future employer think", and I guess tatts fall into the same category.

[Ronnie]

It does dismay me a bit, the spread of tattoos and earrings for men over the last, say 15 years.
I'm under 40 myself but i can't comprehend what exacly motivates an increasing number of men to acquire either.
I've been in a couple of European countries where their style and dress sense make us look like a bunch of slobs.
I console myself with the knowldege that a couple of 'rough nuts' (appearance wise) i have worked with were also amongst the most decent and honest in the workplace, far more than a few in suits sitting in the office.
Generally though (and we all generalise) highly visible tattoos indicate below level intelligence, and in some cases, utter stupidity, not to mention a certain 'i'm trying hard to look tough' mentality.
The lad and ladette would not be complete without their adornments let's face it.

[JK]

It does dismay me a bit, the spread of tattoos and earrings for men over the last, say 15 years.
I'm under 40 myself but i can't comprehend what exacly motivates an increasing number of men to acquire either.

Would be interesting to compare the increase in the number of females getting these in that time aswell.

[Dirko]

It does dismay me a bit, the spread of tattoos and earrings for men over the last, say 15 years.
I'm under 40 myself but i can't comprehend what exacly motivates an increasing number of men to acquire either.

Would be interesting to compare the increase in the number of females getting these in that time aswell.

I'd almost say more females than males.

As for the trying to look tough mentality Ronnie, LMAO. I don't think my children's names make me look tough. Nor the Chinese horoscope tatt on my chest.

Also as for the European fashion sense, geez some of the slobs I saw in Europe & the UK made our stubbies & thongs look good.
Perhaps if most of Europe had to swelter through 5 months on 30+ temperatures they'd change the jacket for a t-shirt too...

[Pseudo]

I don't think my children's names make me look tough. Nor the Chinese horoscope tatt on my chest...

Depends. Are your kids called Tristram and Caitlin, and were you born in the year of the rabbit?

[smac]

I thought his kids were called "love" and "hate" and the tattoo is on his knuckles?

Born in the year of the "Skull with a snake crawling through it"?

[Lunchcutter]

Try to understand for a moment that someone can do something you wouldn't, and possibly why, without passing judgement.

NOW THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN ON ABOUT FOR AGES!!!


omg there are so many darn pots/kettles in this joint

[rogernumber10]

I've always wanted one, and can't get past how much I think it would hurt. Total coward on needles.

[bay_girl23]

I've always wanted one, and can't get past how much I think it would hurt. Total coward on needles.

yeah... with u there! but if i could... i'd get a tiger on my back

[mighty_tiger_79]

a mate of mine has this horrible CARLTON one on his arm,

id love to get the clan on my arm

[Ecky]

I think it is very understandable though why people are apprehensive about people with tattoos given their traditional associaton with bikie gangs/criminal activity etc.

Plus Ben Cousins and Britney Spears's recent tattoos were used by the media in arguments that they were "losing the plot".