Things that give you the sh1ts

[redwhiteandblueblooded]

Somebody reading part of my paper before I've read it.

I'm sorry, but I want to turn each page first.

Couldn't agree more. The paper must still be virginal, pristine and untouched by any other individual in this house!

[bulldogproud]

Constantly being told by religous freaks that Im wrong for being an athiest, that theres something wrong with me, that what they think is fact and anything I think is ignorant of me. And I quote:

Oohhhh, how bad is it that you my friend can't believe in Him. If you really believe that bible itsa fiction book. How can you explain so many good things, miracles, and a lot of things good that God do. You eceptics believe in casuality, but sont have any reasonable argument to avoid the fact that this world actually, mas made by someone more omnipotent and gloriosus than Darwin" If you really wanna change your life FOREVER. Deliver your heart to Jesus and I asure you that you always remember how luck you are of reading this messaage God bless you and I pray for you. Blessiins

How do I explain good things that happen? Simple bitch. Logic. How about you? Why dont I believe in god? Im too old to have imaginary friends.

If you believe in god, fair enough, Im happy for you, its your belief, but dont be so pig headed to tell me Im wrong.

catholics - We're taught to have the whole guilt thing down-pat by the age of about nine. However, the priests get very very unhappy when you ask some difficult questions in secondary school.

Yep, great times

Sorry that you got brought up in the wrong era, Roger. You will find that Catholic education has changed a lot in the past twenty years.
Cheers

One thing that has changed is the increase in money it gets from the Federal Government.

True, but the funding that Catholic schools receive is still way less per student than what State schools receive from both State and Federal Governments (Catholic schools receive no State funding). In fact, if all Catholic and other independent schools were closed and students forced to go to State schools, the whole schooling system would crash. The government would not be able to afford the additional funds required. So in reality those in private schools are disadvantaged as the government funds each student in private schools a lot less than those in public schools.
Cheers

[RustyCage]

True, but the funding that Catholic schools receive is still way less per student than what State schools receive from both State and Federal Governments (Catholic schools receive no State funding). In fact, if all Catholic and other independent schools were closed and students forced to go to State schools, the whole schooling system would crash. The government would not be able to afford the additional funds required. So in reality those in private schools are disadvantaged as the government funds each student in private schools a lot less than those in public schools.
Cheers

Im 100% against any private school getting a cent from the government. The private schools dont need the money half as much at the public schools do. All government money should go to public schools, anything left over could then go to the schools who charge through ass for parents to send their kids there. Our public schools are grossly underfunded, and there is no possible way the continued red carpet ride private schools get can be justified. Its ok to say public schools get more per student from the government but its the schools only source of funding.

[bulldogproud]

In my view, all students should be funded to the same level. It should then be up to the parents as to how they use those funds. If they wish to send them to a private school, then that money is part of the fee for the private school. If they have to pay more to send them, then they pay more. Then it is up to the willingness of the parent and they may choose the type of education they desire. The resources in many Catholic schools are far less than in many State schools. Approximately 30% of students in Catholic schools do not pay fees - they are subsidised by the parents of the other students and the hard work of fundraising. This is to try to ensure that as many parents as possible have the opportunity to send their children for a Catholic education. Both political parties know that without private educational institutions, the educational system in Australia would crash. To have all students at State schools would require approximately 30% more money to be spent by governments on education than currently is the case. It is the money supplied by parents of private students that enables the government to fund State schools to the tune that they do.
Cheers

[bulldogproud]

Pafc, where do you think that private schools get their funding from? It doesn't just magically appear. Many parents make supreme sacrifices so as to enable their son or daughter to be educated where they wish them to. Also, as said earlier, a lot of those who cannot even afford to do that much are funded through the school (via the fees of other students). Yes, I know that there are some 'rich' kids in private schools but there are just as many 'rich' kids in public schools. I also challenge you to compare the resources at a school such as Mount Carmel at Rosewater versus Brighton High or Adelaide High or Norwood/Morialta High etc.
Cheers

[TroyGFC]

Somebody reading part of my paper before I've read it.

I'm sorry, but I want to turn each page first.

Couldn't agree more. The paper must still be virginal, pristine and untouched by any other individual in this house!

Every day at work this happens with people looking over my shoulder, FFS purchase your own it's only $1.10 during the week!!

[Magpiespower]

Writing on spec.

[Mic]

Sorry that you got brought up in the wrong era, Roger. You will find that Catholic education has changed a lot in the past twenty years.
Cheers[/quote]

One thing that has changed is the increase in money it gets from the Federal Government. [/quote]

True, but the funding that Catholic schools receive is still way less per student than what State schools receive from both State and Federal Governments (Catholic schools receive no State funding). In fact, if all Catholic and other independent schools were closed and students forced to go to State schools, the whole schooling system would crash. The government would not be able to afford the additional funds required. So in reality those in private schools are disadvantaged as the government funds each student in private schools a lot less than those in public schools.
Cheers[/quote]

I'd like to know where you get your stats from that supports your statement that State schools receive a lot more than private schools overall. I've been presented with research that suggests otherwise. One example includes a well-known private school in Adelaide which had running costs (wages, facilities, etc) of 9 million for the year. The money it received from the government was about 9 million for the year. Which means that almost every cent received from their very large school fees would be a 'profit' or could go towards new/extra facilities/programs. A public school I know of very well has to use both its government money and its school fees (some of which are never paid by parents) to cover its running costs. Absolutely no profit at all, in fact a few budget cuts have already been made for next year just to cover 'overspending' on basic costs from this year.
I'm not sure what your point is about state schools crashing if private schools closed.
If the government cannot afford to put every child in this country in a state school then it is obviously not putting enough money towards education.
If private schools are "disadvantaged" like you stated, good - they should be. They are a private business, that's their problem. Should I be able to start my own school and then expect a few million dollars a year from the government to help me run it. Of course not, and neither should private schools.

[Mic]

Pafc, where do you think that private schools get their funding from? It doesn't just magically appear. Many parents make supreme sacrifices so as to enable their son or daughter to be educated where they wish them to. Also, as said earlier, a lot of those who cannot even afford to do that much are funded through the school (via the fees of other students). Yes, I know that there are some 'rich' kids in private schools but there are just as many 'rich' kids in public schools. I also challenge you to compare the resources at a school such as Mount Carmel at Rosewater versus Brighton High or Adelaide High or Norwood/Morialta High etc.
Cheers

Many parents make supreme sacrifices for their child to live in a 'nicer'/more expensive area, or to have better/more expensive Health Cover, etc. So what? That's their choice. Our taxes should not have to go towards that, they should pay for it themselves if that's what they want.

[am Bays]

Pafc, where do you think that private schools get their funding from? It doesn't just magically appear. Many parents make supreme sacrifices so as to enable their son or daughter to be educated where they wish them to. Also, as said earlier, a lot of those who cannot even afford to do that much are funded through the school (via the fees of other students). Yes, I know that there are some 'rich' kids in private schools but there are just as many 'rich' kids in public schools. I also challenge you to compare the resources at a school such as Mount Carmel at Rosewater versus Brighton High or Adelaide High or Norwood/Morialta High etc.
Cheers

Many parents make supreme sacrifices for their child to live in a 'nicer'/more expensive area, or to have better/more expensive Health Cover, etc. So what? That's their choice. Our taxes should not have to go towards that, they should pay for it themselves if that's what they want.

OK so the govt can prop up other business (manufacturing, etc) but not educational ones???

[Psyber]

One only has to look at state government funded schools and health care and the state they are in to imagine what would happen if all the students and patients being catered for in the private sector suddenly went "public". Instant collapse. The increase in budgetting for both areas would be astronomical, and would eat seriously into important funding for MPs' overseas fact finding missions.

Private education and private health care are subsidised for only one reason - governments simply cannot afford to replace them with publically funded services, so they take the affordable option.

This problem is not confined to just those areas. That is also why private rental properties are supported by measures like allowing negative gearing - public housing is already inadequate and the cost of publically owned rental accommodation for all would also be crippling - and why governments seek PPP's to fund roads. The public infrastructure is not there and the cost of putting it in place is daunting, as is the maintenance cost. So, they subsidise private institutions as the cheaper option.

I tend to support the argument that all students should get an equal education allowance and that if parents choose to supplement it out of their own pocket good on them.

[Mr66]

The 100 metre queues at Borders today.

[bulldogproud]

Pafc, where do you think that private schools get their funding from? It doesn't just magically appear. Many parents make supreme sacrifices so as to enable their son or daughter to be educated where they wish them to. Also, as said earlier, a lot of those who cannot even afford to do that much are funded through the school (via the fees of other students). Yes, I know that there are some 'rich' kids in private schools but there are just as many 'rich' kids in public schools. I also challenge you to compare the resources at a school such as Mount Carmel at Rosewater versus Brighton High or Adelaide High or Norwood/Morialta High etc.
Cheers

Many parents make supreme sacrifices for their child to live in a 'nicer'/more expensive area, or to have better/more expensive Health Cover, etc. So what? That's their choice. Our taxes should not have to go towards that, they should pay for it themselves if that's what they want.

OK so the govt can prop up other business (manufacturing, etc) but not educational ones???

Tassie, it would be great for governments to put more and more money into education. There is no question of that. However, I believe that all parents should be given an equal amount of funding for education from the government. Currently those in public schools receive approximately 30% more than those in private schools.
Cheers

[TroyGFC]

People turning this thread into something that should be in the political section!

[magpie in the 80's]

People turning this thread into something that should be in the political section!

well said troy

[bulldogproud]

Me getting caught in political bunfights when I should bite my tongue! Sorry guys!
Cheers

[Dogwatcher]

The fact I still have Xmas shopping to do.
Also the fact that I came to Adelaide - but didn't bring any socks and jocks. Lucky it's Xmas eh?

[Pseudo]

People turning this thread into something that should be in the political section!

I blame those dirty catholics

[RustyCage]

Pafc, where do you think that private schools get their funding from? It doesn't just magically appear. Many parents make supreme sacrifices so as to enable their son or daughter to be educated where they wish them to. Also, as said earlier, a lot of those who cannot even afford to do that much are funded through the school (via the fees of other students). Yes, I know that there are some 'rich' kids in private schools but there are just as many 'rich' kids in public schools. I also challenge you to compare the resources at a school such as Mount Carmel at Rosewater versus Brighton High or Adelaide High or Norwood/Morialta High etc.
Cheers

Many parents make supreme sacrifices for their child to live in a 'nicer'/more expensive area, or to have better/more expensive Health Cover, etc. So what? That's their choice. Our taxes should not have to go towards that, they should pay for it themselves if that's what they want.

OK so the govt can prop up other business (manufacturing, etc) but not educational ones???

Tassie, it would be great for governments to put more and more money into education. There is no question of that. However, I believe that all parents should be given an equal amount of funding for education from the government. Currently those in public schools receive approximately 30% more than those in private schools.
Cheers

So you think public schools should get LESS funding?

[RustyCage]

pafc1870,

My 13yo son came home from school earlier this year after having had religous studies at school (public so it's not shoved down their neck all the time.) As a younger kid he was dinosour mad, and knows more about evoloution and time lines than I ever will.

Son: I don't think I believe in god anymore
Mother: Why not ?
Son: They told us how the world started and they were wrong
Mother: What do you mean?
Son: The dinosours weren't there, they couldn't fit them in anywhere
Mother: Oh! (speachless at his obvious use of proper reasoning and scientific fact)
Son: What they said can't be right, they said the world began with Adam & Eve, but the dinosours were all around for millions of years, and what about Neanderthal man .........etc. etc.