Should the Yanks attack Syria?

[Magpiespower]

Whoa, cowboy. Just take yer cotton-pickin' finger off the trigger. If and when you have conclusive evidence that Assad et al were responsible, then you can ride yer horse into Dodge and pick off those sand-n*****s like its a gosh-darn turkey shoot. Yee-haw! Gawd bless 'murica!

[RustyCage]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-08/eu-urges-27strong-response27-to-syria-chemical-attack/4943798


European Union blames Syrian regime for chemical attack, urges 'strong response'

European Union foreign ministers have urged "a clear and strong response" to an alleged Syria chemical weapons attack while stopping short of endorsing a strike on the Damascus regime.

Speaking after the bloc's 28 ministers held talks with US secretary of state John Kerry, the EU's foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton read out a statement saying the ministers "were unanimous in condemning in the strongest terms this horrific attack."

Dubbing the August 21 attack outside Damascus that left hundreds dead "a war crime and a crime against humanity", the statement said there was "strong evidence that the Syrian regime (of President Bashar al-Assad) is responsible."

"The international community cannot remain idle," it added.

"A clear and strong response is critical to make clear that such crimes are unacceptable and that there can be no impunity."

[Sky Pilot]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-08/eu-urges-27strong-response27-to-syria-chemical-attack/4943798


European Union blames Syrian regime for chemical attack, urges 'strong response'

European Union foreign ministers have urged "a clear and strong response" to an alleged Syria chemical weapons attack while stopping short of endorsing a strike on the Damascus regime.

Speaking after the bloc's 28 ministers held talks with US secretary of state John Kerry, the EU's foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton read out a statement saying the ministers "were unanimous in condemning in the strongest terms this horrific attack."

Dubbing the August 21 attack outside Damascus that left hundreds dead "a war crime and a crime against humanity", the statement said there was "strong evidence that the Syrian regime (of President Bashar al-Assad) is responsible."

"The international community cannot remain idle," it added.

"A clear and strong response is critical to make clear that such crimes are unacceptable and that there can be no impunity."

Maybe we can send KRudd over there to sort it out. He's got nothing else to do

[Psyber]

Putin seems to have it right on this one in his latest statement - more proof needed, then UN approval.

[gossipgirl]

well abbott has stopped the boats already so perhaps he can fix this one as well

[Jimmy_041]

I bet you wont hear of another boat arriving gg

[gossipgirl]

I bet you wont hear of another boat arriving gg

will that be due to censorship

[shoe boy]

Hypercritical of the US to criticise any country for stock piles of chemical weapons or use of!!

Fact- biggest stoke pile US/ manufacturer of US/ and it was all good when Iraq was using US supplied and made against Iran./also their mates Israel stock piles and refuses to sign off on destruction of said weapons.

US involved in more conflicts than any other country and not for humanitarian reasons ONLY vested! AND remember the only country to use nuclear weapons not once but twice.

[Sky Pilot]

Hypercritical of the US to criticise any country for stock piles of chemical weapons or use of!!

Fact- biggest stoke pile US/ manufacturer of US/ and it was all good when Iraq was using US supplied and made against Iran./also their mates Israel stock piles and refuses to sign off on destruction of said weapons.

US involved in more conflicts than any other country and not for humanitarian reasons ONLY vested! AND remember the only country to use nuclear weapons not once but twice.

Er, if the Yanks had not have nuked Japan we'd all be talking Jap now. Then again, our infrastructure would be second to none, our economy would be top two or three, refugee-free, we'd be all out of tuna, whales, crayfish and probably most other stuff, we'd be the worlds largest and best car manufacturer, we would have told Indonesia and Malaysia to get stuffed decades ago and our currency would be the standard bearer. Only a thought

[shoe boy]

Hypercritical of the US to criticise any country for stock piles of chemical weapons or use of!!

Fact- biggest stoke pile US/ manufacturer of US/ and it was all good when Iraq was using US supplied and made against Iran./also their mates Israel stock piles and refuses to sign off on destruction of said weapons.

US involved in more conflicts than any other country and not for humanitarian reasons ONLY vested! AND remember the only country to use nuclear weapons not once but twice.

Er, if the Yanks had not have nuked Japan we'd all be talking Jap now. Then again, our infrastructure would be second to none, our economy would be top two or three, refugee-free, we'd be all out of tuna, whales, crayfish and probably most other stuff, we'd be the worlds largest and best car manufacturer, we would have told Indonesia and Malaysia to get stuffed decades ago and our currency would be the standard bearer. Only a thought

ER,war was over just wanted to test the nuke!

[Sky Pilot]

Hypercritical of the US to criticise any country for stock piles of chemical weapons or use of!!

Fact- biggest stoke pile US/ manufacturer of US/ and it was all good when Iraq was using US supplied and made against Iran./also their mates Israel stock piles and refuses to sign off on destruction of said weapons.

US involved in more conflicts than any other country and not for humanitarian reasons ONLY vested! AND remember the only country to use nuclear weapons not once but twice.

Er, if the Yanks had not have nuked Japan we'd all be talking Jap now. Then again, our infrastructure would be second to none, our economy would be top two or three, refugee-free, we'd be all out of tuna, whales, crayfish and probably most other stuff, we'd be the worlds largest and best car manufacturer, we would have told Indonesia and Malaysia to get stuffed decades ago and our currency would be the standard bearer. Only a thought

ER,war was over just wanted to test the nuke!

It was not even close to being over. That's why the Yanks ended it.

[shoe boy]

US involved in more conflicts than any other country and not for humanitarian reasons ONLY vested! AND remember the only country to use nuclear weapons not once but twice.[/quote]
Er, if the Yanks had not have nuked Japan we'd all be talking Jap now. Then again, our infrastructure would be second to none, our economy would be top two or three, refugee-free, we'd be all out of tuna, whales, crayfish and probably most other stuff, we'd be the worlds largest and best car manufacturer, we would have told Indonesia and Malaysia to get stuffed decades ago and our currency would be the standard bearer. Only a thought[/quote]

ER,war was over just wanted to test the nuke![/quote]
It was not even close to being over. That's why the Yanks ended it.[/quote]

Aug 6 and 9 bombs dropped war over 15 Aug! Japan on its knees before bombing.

[Psyber]

The Japanese culture during that war was about "face" and the idea that anything but fighting to the death was cowardice.
That was part of the reason they treated those who had surrendered to them so badly - they saw them as unworthy scum.

So, the USA and its allies shared the view that they were faced with the prospect of hand to hand fighting all the way to Emperor Hirohito's palace, and that using the atomic bombs would give Japan a face-saving way to surrender, and thus save more lives than it took. However, there no doubt were those who wanted a live test after the dry tests (in the Nevada desert IIRC).

We can't really know whether or not their reasoning was right.

[therisingblues]

That's about it in a nutshell Psyber. Though you could also add that Russia had joined the war against Japan at that stage, taking the island of Sakhalin and gobbling up half of the Japanese colony of Korea. Had the Japanese not surrendered to the Americans when they did, we might have had a Berlin wall situation in Japan, and there'd possibly have been no Korean war owing to total ownership of the peninsula by the Russians.
Perhaps the cold war would've turned out much nastier had Russia had such a foot hold in east Asia.
Still, the Yanks did use atom bombs to kill people. Why not a display of their power just outside Tokyo and Osaka?
I have read they reckoned the psychological shock of actually destroying a functioning city would work much better, but I wonder what they'd say if Iran was in a no win situation with the Yanks and suddenly nuked Jerusalem and threatened to nuke Tel Aviv if the US did not surrender immediately.
How would the situation be different?

[Sky Pilot]

That's about it in a nutshell Psyber. Though you could also add that Russia had joined the war against Japan at that stage, taking the island of Sakhalin and gobbling up half of the Japanese colony of Korea. Had the Japanese not surrendered to the Americans when they did, we might have had a Berlin wall situation in Japan, and there'd possibly have been no Korean war owing to total ownership of the peninsula by the Russians.
Perhaps the cold war would've turned out much nastier had Russia had such a foot hold in east Asia.
Still, the Yanks did use atom bombs to kill people. Why not a display of their power just outside Tokyo and Osaka?
I have read they reckoned the psychological shock of actually destroying a functioning city would work much better, but I wonder what they'd say if Iran was in a no win situation with the Yanks and suddenly nuked Jerusalem and threatened to nuke Tel Aviv if the US did not surrender immediately.
How would the situation be different?

Iran could not deliver a WMD inside Israel or certainly not to mainland USA

[therisingblues]

That's about it in a nutshell Psyber. Though you could also add that Russia had joined the war against Japan at that stage, taking the island of Sakhalin and gobbling up half of the Japanese colony of Korea. Had the Japanese not surrendered to the Americans when they did, we might have had a Berlin wall situation in Japan, and there'd possibly have been no Korean war owing to total ownership of the peninsula by the Russians.
Perhaps the cold war would've turned out much nastier had Russia had such a foot hold in east Asia.
Still, the Yanks did use atom bombs to kill people. Why not a display of their power just outside Tokyo and Osaka?
I have read they reckoned the psychological shock of actually destroying a functioning city would work much better, but I wonder what they'd say if Iran was in a no win situation with the Yanks and suddenly nuked Jerusalem and threatened to nuke Tel Aviv if the US did not surrender immediately.
How would the situation be different?

Iran could not deliver a WMD inside Israel or certainly not to mainland USA

Not now. But one day...
It's madness to think other countries will never develop the means to deliver these weapons. I should hope we have methods of neutralizing said weapons before they reach their destinations (Raegan's star wars plan?). As an ally of the US, Australia should hope the status quo (we got em, you ain't) continues.
But we should all better behave ourselves as we've no idea what the future may bring.