Duromine vs Professional athlete

[kickinit]

Those BMI things are stupid.

even kickinit will agree with me.

I will agree with that as it doesn't take in bf%. Your weight depends on 2 things muscle mass and fat. You can be "obese" but have a bf% under 10%.

[kickinit]

If it was dangerous doctors wouldn't be prescribing it.

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/drug-4151-Ph ... genumber=6

http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/datash ... inecap.pdf

it is only suppose to used for patients that are at a medical risk because of there weight and need to lose weight quickly.

[Phantom Gossiper]

If it was dangerous doctors wouldn't be prescribing it.

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/drug-4151-Ph ... genumber=6

http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/datash ... inecap.pdf

it is only suppose to used for patients that are at a medical risk because of there weight and need to lose weight quickly.

kickinit you read too much crap on the net.. I now know 2 people who have begin a duromine assisted weight loss program, and one of them in my opinion is barely over weight! The one in question is - technically speaking - "obese" but doesnt look nor appear obese or at any sort of risk.

The bottom line speaking to both of them was that all they needed to do was go to the doctors and ask for assistance losing weight, the doctor took blood pressure and measurements and then prescibed them metermine (home brand duromine?) and that was the extent of that, so basically, the doctor DID NOT care on the side effects or the effect the medication would have on them.

One friend who was prescribed the drug, had to learn more of the drug and effect and side effects after buying the tablets rather than the doctor give him any real info on it.

[kickinit]

If it was dangerous doctors wouldn't be prescribing it.

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/drug-4151-Ph ... genumber=6

http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/datash ... inecap.pdf

it is only suppose to used for patients that are at a medical risk because of there weight and need to lose weight quickly.

kickinit you read too much crap on the net.. I now know 2 people who have begin a duromine assisted weight loss program, and one of them in my opinion is barely over weight! The one in question is - technically speaking - "obese" but doesnt look nor appear obese or at any sort of risk.

The bottom line speaking to both of them was that all they needed to do was go to the doctors and ask for assistance losing weight, the doctor took blood pressure and measurements and then prescibed them metermine (home brand duromine?) and that was the extent of that, so basically, the doctor DID NOT care on the side effects or the effect the medication would have on them.

One friend who was prescribed the drug, had to learn more of the drug and effect and side effects after buying the tablets rather than the doctor give him any real info on it.

So what your saying is there no risk taking Duromine? You saying the people you know could only lose weight by taking a pill? Are you saying this pill magically changed there brain to forget about bad eating habits and change them to good habits

[kickinit]

So seeing there is a few people in here that think this drug is great i'm going to give you a few points to show why it isn't.

* All duromine does is stops you from eating, some people can go a whole day without even feeling hungry.
* It doesn't make you change to a healthy diet plan or exercise plan, so once you come off the drug you are at the same point when you went on it.
* There are some major possible side effects down the track.
* It gives people a option out instead of them changing there lifestyle.
* have a look at what weight you are losing, most of it won't be fat. Being too far under your calories will cause you to go into starvation, which your body will hold not fat for energy later on.


At the end of the day Duromine might work for the 3months but after that what have you achieved? Yes you might of lost weight but now you don't have the drug to stop you from eating you have to fight for your self. you have to learn to eat healthy you have to learn to exercise. So people that say yeh but it's good for a kick start are using it for a excuse because in 3 months they are going to have to do it anyway.

The one thing people have to realise is majority of obese people are obese because they are lazy. Taking a pill that's going to help for 3 months and leaves you where you where the the start is the lazy way out. Get your diet right get your exercise right and watch your results. I know i'd rather results from hard work then from a pill.

[Wedgie]

Agreed with kickinit. If you're looking for a quick fix you're not going to get anywhere in the long run.
Drugs and surgery might be a good kick start for people with serious illness/diseases but if you're overweight because you're lazy and like fast food then it'll get you nowhere.
Eat less, eat healthier, exercise more, drink less alcohol. Simple.

[whufc]

Agreed with kickinit. If you're looking for a quick fix you're not going to get anywhere in the long run.
Drugs and surgery might be a good kick start for people with serious illness/diseases but if you're overweight because you're lazy and like fast food then it'll get you nowhere.
Eat less, eat healthier, exercise more, drink less alcohol. Simple.

X2 so basic yet so effective,

I dropped my first 10kg purely through eating healthy, wasn't til after that point that I upped my cardio and did weights.

No doubt Duromine has its benefits but if people think they can take a magic pill and become mila kunis/jason startham it could be dangerous.

[Psyber]

Regretfully there are some GPs out there who are either too busy to think, or suckers for the Pharmaceutical company propaganda about how "less addictive" their products are.

The original appetite suppressants deemed safe to sell over the Pharmacy counter in the 1950s were dexamphetamine and methamphetamine. In truth, no amphetamine molecule derived stimulant, no matter how allegedly "less addictive" it is claimed to be is safe.

You will notice Nicotine replacement products were originally marketed as for short term use but are moving to cater to a long term "need", because "Big Pharma" is happy for you to stay addicted to Nicotine forever so long as it is their Nicotine you are buying - and governments don't even look closely at this shift any more than they do the shift to high caffeine drinks which are also addictive.

[PPLions]

Drago's cricket team saw the benefits of duromine assisted weight loss today. Drago was Dean Jones-esque running between the stumps

[kickinit]

until next season when he goes back to being the same weight

[PPLions]

until next season when he goes back to being the same weight

You are really a "glass half empty" kind of person hey

[Squids]

Drago's cricket team saw the benefits of duromine assisted weight loss today. Drago was Dean Jones-esque running between the stumps

Jonty Rhodes in the field.

[kickinit]

until next season when he goes back to being the same weight

You are really a "glass half empty" kind of person hey

Just seen it all before. if he's too lazy to get his ass into gear and change his lifestyle a little pill isn't going to change it for him. So he might lose weight for the 3 months why he is on it, but what happens after that? what does duromine teach him?

[Phantom Gossiper]

So what your saying is there no risk taking Duromine? You saying the people you know could only lose weight by taking a pill? Are you saying this pill magically changed there brain to forget about bad eating habits and change them to good habits

Sorry mate, was bit p!ssed when i posted, and didnt really explain myself well I was talking about who can get the pills, that you dont need to be morbidly obese etc for a doctor to prescribe them, that doctors appear to be happy just to prescribe them if the patient asks for them.

FWIW I totally agree that it isnt the answer, and that healthy eating habits and regular exercise is the best and only way to go about reducing weight.

[kickinit]

So what your saying is there no risk taking Duromine? You saying the people you know could only lose weight by taking a pill? Are you saying this pill magically changed there brain to forget about bad eating habits and change them to good habits

Sorry mate, was bit p!ssed when i posted, and didnt really explain myself well I was talking about who can get the pills, that you dont need to be morbidly obese etc for a doctor to prescribe them, that doctors appear to be happy just to prescribe them if the patient asks for them.

FWIW I totally agree that it isnt the answer, and that healthy eating habits and regular exercise is the best and only way to go about reducing weight.

That's ok mate. I understand why Duromine is still allowed to be sold in Australia, it's only still here because it does suit a purpose. It's meant to be used by people who if they don't have a immediate weight loss they are putting themselves at risk, or for people that have a condition or are medication that causes them to put on weight.

My point of view is someone like Drago is getting this medication and obviously the doctor doesn't care. now if Drago is already playing cricket and I guess he probably was before this then why is he getting this pill? Why didn't his doctor tell him to diet first or to see a nutritionist, see some sort of results before just giving a pill. people are becoming too lazy and always want the easy way out. It doesn't teach you anything at all but to be more lazy.

[scoob]

Well Done Drago! I reckon he should be congratulated for going and getting himself a solution. Sounds like he is getting the results and is able to exercise more, which could lead to a sustainable weight level! Keep up the good work Drago!

[kickinit]

Well Done Drago! I reckon he should be congratulated for going and getting himself a solution. Sounds like he is getting the results and is able to exercise more, which could lead to a sustainable weight level! Keep up the good work Drago!

Please explain how it's sustainable. Once he goes off the pill he has to change his diet and exercise plan. All that pill is doing is stopping him from eating.

[scoob]

Well Done Drago! I reckon he should be congratulated for going and getting himself a solution. Sounds like he is getting the results and is able to exercise more, which could lead to a sustainable weight level! Keep up the good work Drago!

Please explain how it's sustainable. Once he goes off the pill he has to change his diet and exercise plan. All that pill is doing is stopping him from eating.

He has lost some weight and by the sounds of it is finding exercise easier (Dean Jones-like running hints towards this fact) therefore will be more likely to exercise and get more out of each work out.

Great work Drago - maybe you should be a bit more supportive of his efforts, instead of constantly bagging a bloke for trying to change his life.

[kickinit]

The point you and a lot of people are missing on this issue is the fact he is taking a pill to lose his weight. After 3 months he has to stop taking the pill then what happens? If he couldn't lose weight on a "diet" before the pill then how is he going to continue to lose weight after he stops taking the pill? My whole point is majority of people like Drago (as he's still playing cricket i'm guessing there's no medical condition to prevent him from weight lose) are fat because they are lazy. He's once again taking the easy option, he needs to get serious and if he wants to lose weight and keep it off the only way is by a good diet and exercise plan. Taking a pill for 3 months isn't going to solve his problems for him. So in my eyes someone taking a pill that forces you to not feel hungry, to the point of not eating for a whole day (not very healthy) isn't really a big achievement. Also havent seen the before or after photo's yet so let's not take some muppets word for it just yet.

[Squids]

If you hound the admins to unban 'cheetah' then you might get to see some photos.