by Jim05 » Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:13 pm
by Pup » Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:24 pm
Jim05 wrote:Romo the clown falls over in the end zone for a safety.
Giants up 2-0
by Jim05 » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:18 pm
by Jim05 » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:22 pm
by Jim05 » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:23 pm
by Jim05 » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:24 pm
by Il Duce » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:34 pm
by Pup » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:52 pm
Jim05 wrote:Giants score a touchdown with 46 seconds remaining
Score the 2 point conversion to go up by 3
Giants 37-34
Manning has been awesome
by pels » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:08 pm
by Jim05 » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:14 pm
pels wrote:Gotta feel for the Dallas kicker, last week his own coach iced him, this week the opposition did.
2 big chokes in the last 2 games weeks from the cowgirls - I like that name
by whufc » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:51 pm
by woodublieve12 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:25 pm
whufc wrote:Having watched a whole heap of the brilliant ESPN doco series 30 for 30 some these NFL franchises having amazingly interesting histories.
- Baltimore Colts/Indianoplis Colts
- Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Browns/Cleveland Browns
- Oakland Raiders/Los Angeles Raiders/Oakland Raiders (1 other in between as well cant remember)
by Hondo » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:06 am
whufc wrote:Having watched a whole heap of the brilliant ESPN doco series 30 for 30 some these NFL franchises having amazingly interesting histories.
- Baltimore Colts/Indianoplis Colts
- Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Browns/Cleveland Browns
- Oakland Raiders/Los Angeles Raiders/Oakland Raiders (1 other in between as well cant remember)
by Il Duce » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:16 am
Hondo wrote:whufc wrote:Having watched a whole heap of the brilliant ESPN doco series 30 for 30 some these NFL franchises having amazingly interesting histories.
- Baltimore Colts/Indianoplis Colts
- Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Browns/Cleveland Browns
- Oakland Raiders/Los Angeles Raiders/Oakland Raiders (1 other in between as well cant remember)
Just being pedantic not for the sake of it but to continue the discussion there was never a Baltimore Browns. The Cleveland Browns left for Baltimore but had to leave the famous logo, name and colors in Cleveland. The Browns became the Ravens and continue to this day including the franchise's fist Superbowl win SB 35. The current Browns were a brand new franchise at the time they started again 10 years or so ago..
The Raiders only ever went to Los Angeles and then returned to Oakland.
Other teams that have moved cities are the Titans (used to be the Houston Oilers), the Rams (used to be in LA and somewhere else before that) and the Cardinals (used to be in St Louis and Chicago right back in the old days).
The NFL history is fascinating if you are into that sort of stuff.
by whufc » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:51 am
Hondo wrote:whufc wrote:Having watched a whole heap of the brilliant ESPN doco series 30 for 30 some these NFL franchises having amazingly interesting histories.
- Baltimore Colts/Indianoplis Colts
- Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Browns/Cleveland Browns
- Oakland Raiders/Los Angeles Raiders/Oakland Raiders (1 other in between as well cant remember)
Just being pedantic not for the sake of it but to continue the discussion there was never a Baltimore Browns. The Cleveland Browns left for Baltimore but had to leave the famous logo, name and colors in Cleveland. The Browns became the Ravens and continue to this day including the franchise's fist Superbowl win SB 35. The current Browns were a brand new franchise at the time they started again 10 years or so ago..
The Raiders only ever went to Los Angeles and then returned to Oakland.
Other teams that have moved cities are the Titans (used to be the Houston Oilers), the Rams (used to be in LA and somewhere else before that) and the Cardinals (used to be in St Louis and Chicago right back in the old days).
The NFL history is fascinating if you are into that sort of stuff.
by Westsider » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:52 am
whufc wrote:Would be interesting to know if old Cleveland Brown fans support the Baltimore Ravens or the Cleveland Browns.
by woodublieve12 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:13 pm
Westsider wrote:whufc wrote:Would be interesting to know if old Cleveland Brown fans support the Baltimore Ravens or the Cleveland Browns.
Well Baltimore was unique... it wasn't a move as such.
It was treated as a new franchise, no history but all existing staff and player contracts moved from Cleveland to Baltimore.
Then after 3 years off the Cleveland Browns were back, continuing on with their history, name etc...
So I think most old browns fan would have stuck with them.
by Westsider » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:20 pm
woodublieve12 wrote:Wasn't it baltimore colts, which moved to indinapolismand then the ravens moved in several years later??? I didn't think the browns moved to Baltimore...
In 1995, after nearly 50 years in Cleveland, then owner Art Modell announced his intention to move the team to Baltimore, Maryland, initiating a relocation controversy that led to legal action. The legal action resulted in a unique compromise: Modell would keep the Browns' existing player and staff contracts, but his team officially would be a new franchise; this team is now known as the Baltimore Ravens. The Browns name, history, and archives would remain in Cleveland, and a new Browns team began play in 1999 after a three-year period of being "on hiatus."
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