Gaelic Football in South Australia

[the milky bar kid]

By the sound of it our teams committee member is not the only one to ask for the 15 a side issue to be added to next weeks meeting.

Excellent, i reckon we break the 3 hour barrier at the next commitee meeting.

Maybe, but it's really a simple issue... Gaelic in this state is in a position where both guys & girls gaelic should be 15 a side.

[Flinders O'Neills]

I disagree, teams struggle at times for players, this would just lead to teams pulling out, I wont be supporting it unless someone can convince me otherwise

[wristwatcher]

I disagree, teams struggle at times for players, this would just lead to teams pulling out, I wont be supporting it unless someone can convince me otherwise

Reason number 1...
Last time i saw your club play a 13 a side game your opponents kicked 15 goals and nearly broke the highest score record in this States history .

[wristwatcher]

REASONS 2-10....

2. We want to initiate actions that are going to facilitate progression and not regression.
3. You have effectively fielded two social 7s teams all year and have used over 30 players in State League. You have sufficient numbers for this change to not effect your club.
4. With the massive influx of Irishmen to our shores we are getting greater participation of super keen new additions to our league each year. All teams now contain players born in Ireland.
5. The 5th reason is so i never have to hear the phrase..."We are gonna play how many a fooken side, can you do that over here?"....again
6. Twice this year i have had to sit out 2 players who were selected to play on the Tuesday only to arrive at St. Marys to be told we can no longer play this game with a squad of 21. From Greenwith to St.Marys and back to hear that did not go down well at all.
7. You at Flinders have the most exciting young crop of Minors this State has seen in the last 6 years and these boys should be playing REAL Gaelic Football.
8. A lot of those minors will gain selection for S.A at the Nationals and potentially Australasia and will be Coached by 2 men who will install in them the values and respect for the game that will bring them back as better players and better people. They will be your teams backbone next year and for years to come IMO.
9. Because i dont want the meeting to go for 4 hours.
10. The final reason is that i know for a fact that this is what Norman Murphy would have wanted.

[Flinders O'Neills]

point (s) taken, however I am not looking at this from a Flinders perspective, we had a numbers issue and have taken steps to fix that, as you have seen...however 2 years ago this move would have made it VERY VERY hard for flinders to stay in the league

a question wristy, teams are still struggling at times for numbers, would you still want 15 a side if it meant say Mitcham pulling out of the comp?

I agree that playing 15 a side is better but if it means actuallly playing the game with even numbers for points ill take 13....

Lots of IRISH! in my experience they are hardly reliable and usually move on quickly when they realise Adelaide is heavens waiting room....

I am more talking about the strength of the league, it may be well and good that yours and mine have the plenty of numbers....but what about those who are not as strong?

[the milky bar kid]

How many teams are actually struggling for numbers. Just Mitcham (on the guys side) & I think if potential players know that each week that 15 people will get a game it'll be easier to attract players.
At this time it's too easy just to go for the bare minimum of 13 a side. Mitcham's outlook has also been much more positive in recent weeks.
The only other teams that struggle to field 15 a side is some of the women's sides...
But I think this is a case of a number of the teams (some of them top teams) prefering to play 13 a side because it's 'easier' for them to win...

[wristwatcher]

point (s) taken, however I am not looking at this from a Flinders perspective, we had a numbers issue and have taken steps to fix that, as you have seen...however 2 years ago this move would have made it VERY VERY hard for flinders to stay in the league

a question wristy, teams are still struggling at times for numbers, would you still want 15 a side if it meant say Mitcham pulling out of the comp?

I agree that playing 15 a side is better but if it means actuallly playing the game with even numbers for points ill take 13....

Lots of IRISH! in my experience they are hardly reliable and usually move on quickly when they realise Adelaide is heavens waiting room....

I am more talking about the strength of the league, it may be well and good that yours and mine have the plenty of numbers....but what about those who are not as strong?

To answer your question ; YES. If they cant prepare better next season and get the required numbers then they shouldnt be in State League. It was due to there now sacked manager not doing his job from all reports. There is also now 11 Social 7s teams many of which could be accessed ala St.Brendans did to the Surps just prior to the Hannigan cup glory years. Na Fianna Mens team has a list of 36 squad members and has had to turn players away and cut players throughout the season who have not fit into the clubs culture or followed team rules. We had planned to have 4 players from the Steve Irwin Allstars come across to us this year but with in excess of 30 players at our first 2 trgs we couldnt. NO team should be struggling for numbers as there is a rich talent pool in the other league. This is one of the reasons i have worked so hard to build and develop the 7s league.

Im sick to death of seeing guys in State League several times a game hand toeing from 45m to be shooting for a goal with no thought of taking a point. When i was a teenager if you dared play that way a strong, agressive corner back would meet you with a ferocious challenge or a Clovercrest Gael would threaten to kill you if you had a shot at goal....ITS JUST NOT GAELIC!!! Reducing the numbers on the pitch is another reason why we have a Social League. When it comes to a STATE LEAGUE HOWEVER WE MUST MAINTAIN THE GAMES INTEGRITY AND RESPECT ITS RULES AND REGULATIONS.

[Flinders O'Neills]

good job, 2nd post has swayed me....

however is this for both mens and womens, as the the womens comp is a different kettle of fish all toghter, no 7's getting women to play I believe is harder than men....numbers arent as strong, 13 side games are regular, even with the top teams

[the milky bar kid]

good job, 2nd post has swayed me....

however is this for both mens and womens, as the the womens comp is a different kettle of fish all toghter, no 7's getting women to play I believe is harder than men....numbers arent as strong, 13 side games are regular, even with the top teams

I believe the top teams have the means & resources to find 15 a side, but prefer to play 13 a side with their 13 best players...
If MG remembered his log in, he'd back me up.

[Cheese Twisties]

Obviously I agree “in theory” with 15aside in SA, however…. Gaelic is most peoples 2nd or 3rd sport, and is played on Friday nights and Sunday arvos… it only takes one party/event/festival/hot day/good movie on TV/Reds home game to decimate the majority of teams numbers. Yes there are heaps of Irish coming to Adelaide, but as FON pointed out they can often by fickle beasts and be here one week gone the next. Talk of kicking Mitcham out because they don’t have as many players/support/Irish as Na Fianna do this year is a little ridiculous for trying to grow a sport in SA IMHO.

Footy trials coming up will start affecting teams numbers, summer festivals and revelry will start affecting teams numbers, it getting to 40 degrees for weeks on end will start affecting teams numbers, the soccer season beginning will start affecting teams (mostly Flinders) numbers, teams out of finals contention losing interest will also start affecting teams numbers. My question would be “why did we start playing 13aside in the first place” to which I would assume it was due to lack of numbers and participation. Has this issue been FULLY rectified in SA? At Na Fianna clearly yes, at Onkas also probably yes. At all other clubs?? Perhaps not so much?

Anyway I would agree with what the mysterious Cash 123 said. A team who has has enough to play 15aside should always be able to play with 15, and with a maximum of 21 players against whatever the other team has. I think thought needs to go into the minimum number a team can take the field to play with at 15aside to avoid a forfeit. Currently a team can take the field with 11 players (I think) and get a game under way. Would it stay the same for 15aside? Or at what point is 15 vs (whatever number) to much of a landslide and not worth playing at? 15 vs 12? 15 vs 13? If moving to 15aside will increase the number of forfeits then it woudn't really be worth it IMHO.

[wristwatcher]

good job, 2nd post has swayed me....

however is this for both mens and womens, as the the womens comp is a different kettle of fish all toghter, no 7's getting women to play I believe is harder than men....numbers arent as strong, 13 side games are regular, even with the top teams

EXCELLENT....
As for the women the same principibles apply but they dont have the same resources whether it be the 7s league as a feeder or the fact that there are 67 SAAFL clubs plus making up around 210 teams and the SFL for men whilst the SAWFL has only the 6 clubs and 6 teams. The womens league of the GFHA of SA is also only in its second decade whereas the mens League has been around since its inception. I do understand and appreciate some of the challenges the womens league would have but i still think its a positive pro-active move we should make as it will also reduce the many blowouts that are seen in Womens football along with all the other benefits.

[wristwatcher]

Obviously I agree “in theory” with 15aside in SA, however…. Gaelic is most peoples 2nd or 3rd sport, and is played on Friday nights and Sunday arvos… it only takes one party/event/festival/hot day/good movie on TV/Reds home game to decimate the majority of teams numbers. Yes there are heaps of Irish coming to Adelaide, but as FON pointed out they can often by fickle beasts and be here one week gone the next. Talk of kicking Mitcham out because they don’t have as many players/support/Irish as Na Fianna do this year is a little ridiculous for trying to grow a sport in SA IMHO.

Footy trials coming up will start affecting teams numbers, summer festivals and revelry will start affecting teams numbers, it getting to 40 degrees for weeks on end will start affecting teams numbers, the soccer season beginning will start affecting teams (mostly Flinders) numbers, teams out of finals contention losing interest will also start affecting teams numbers. My question would be “why did we start playing 13aside in the first place” to which I would assume it was due to lack of numbers and participation. Has this issue been FULLY rectified in SA? At Na Fianna clearly yes, at Onkas also probably yes. At all other clubs?? Perhaps not so much?

Anyway I would agree with what the mysterious Cash 123 said. A team who has has enough to play 15aside should always be able to play with 15, and with a maximum of 21 players against whatever the other team has. I think thought needs to go into the minimum number a team can take the field to play with at 15aside to avoid a forfeit. Currently a team can take the field with 11 players (I think) and get a game under way. Would it stay the same for 15aside? Or at what point is 15 vs (whatever number) to much of a landslide and not worth playing at? 15 vs 12? 15 vs 13? If moving to 15aside will increase the number of forfeits then it woudn't really be worth it IMHO.

60 new 7 a side players available for State league teams. The time for excuses is over. You know Aussie Rules is not my number 1 sport but i still turned up every game for the last 5 years. One night i collapsed in a gutter (must of been food poisining ) and woke up to the warm sunlight on my cheek and the gentle trickle of water running through the gutter. I did not feel all that good physically, emotionally or spiritually but i picked my self out of the gutter, went inside, apologised to the Missus and got myself ready for Footy (btw we beat Broadies that day). People who are commited to something dont make excuses they find ways to overcome these challenges.
To answer your other question...you need 11 players to start the game whether you play 13 or 15 a side

[Cheese Twisties]

Obviously I agree “in theory” with 15aside in SA, however…. Gaelic is most peoples 2nd or 3rd sport, and is played on Friday nights and Sunday arvos… it only takes one party/event/festival/hot day/good movie on TV/Reds home game to decimate the majority of teams numbers. Yes there are heaps of Irish coming to Adelaide, but as FON pointed out they can often by fickle beasts and be here one week gone the next. Talk of kicking Mitcham out because they don’t have as many players/support/Irish as Na Fianna do this year is a little ridiculous for trying to grow a sport in SA IMHO.

Footy trials coming up will start affecting teams numbers, summer festivals and revelry will start affecting teams numbers, it getting to 40 degrees for weeks on end will start affecting teams numbers, the soccer season beginning will start affecting teams (mostly Flinders) numbers, teams out of finals contention losing interest will also start affecting teams numbers. My question would be “why did we start playing 13aside in the first place” to which I would assume it was due to lack of numbers and participation. Has this issue been FULLY rectified in SA? At Na Fianna clearly yes, at Onkas also probably yes. At all other clubs?? Perhaps not so much?

Anyway I would agree with what the mysterious Cash 123 said. A team who has has enough to play 15aside should always be able to play with 15, and with a maximum of 21 players against whatever the other team has. I think thought needs to go into the minimum number a team can take the field to play with at 15aside to avoid a forfeit. Currently a team can take the field with 11 players (I think) and get a game under way. Would it stay the same for 15aside? Or at what point is 15 vs (whatever number) to much of a landslide and not worth playing at? 15 vs 12? 15 vs 13? If moving to 15aside will increase the number of forfeits then it woudn't really be worth it IMHO.

60 new 7 a side players available for State league teams. The time for excuses is over. You know Aussie Rules is not my number 1 sport but i still turned up every game for the last 5 years. One night i collapsed in a gutter (must of been food poisining ) and woke up to the warm sunlight on my cheek and the gentle trickle of water running through the gutter. I did not feel all that good physically, emotionally or spiritually but i picked my self out of the gutter, went inside, apologised to the Missus and got myself ready for Footy (btw we beat Broadies that day). People who are commited to something dont make excuses they find ways to overcome these challenges.
To answer your other question...you need 11 players to start the game whether you play 13 or 15 a side

Just bringing up things to consider as im bored at work, im not really fussed either way. Re: commitment I would suggest most teams have 3-5 people/players who are Gaelic tragics like us posters on here and are committed to Hannigian Cup glory - the rest put a game of Gaelic (including finals) BEHIND something as low as local footy trial games etc.

As for the 60 players in the Gaelic7s.... 4 teams are state league teams, 2 are "juniors" from state league teams, and one team is the Leprechauns which is basically Mitcham. So that's 3 teams from the comp left.

PS i assume you are referring to WWE as your number 1 sport

[wristwatcher]

The 2006 SA Pro Wrestling Villian of the Year was recently approached to make a comeback or at very least a couple of cameos but i declined the offer due to lack of time. Even around the time i was getting close to breaking into the WWE Gaelic footy was always my number one though mate.

[Cheese Twisties]

It slipped under the radar somehow but CONGRATULATIONS to the Gaelic thread on reaching 100 pages!

99 pages of intellectual sparing, tips, incorrect names, banter, match reviews, MATT DOECKE references, and sledges, combined with 1 page of serious Gaelic discussion... which was todays page!

Heres to a 100 more pages, with some more posters, and perhaps some posters of "the fairer sex" getting involved as well.

[the milky bar kid]

It slipped under the radar somehow but CONGRATULATIONS to the Gaelic thread on reaching 100 pages!

99 pages of intellectual sparing, tips, incorrect names, banter, match reviews, MATT DOECKE references, and sledges, combined with 1 page of serious Gaelic discussion... which was todays page!

Heres to a 100 more pages, with some more posters, and perhaps some posters of "the fairer sex" getting involved as well.

I saw it coming so I upped my posting rate so that I could be credited with ticking it over to 100!

"incorrect names"??? What is Theodore Javors real name? I heard he was pretty good in 1982.

Would be good to see some new posters but lets not forget those who drifted into obscurity... Where would this page be without Major Gun, Barrossered, Brock Landers & Rupert

[Flinders O'Neills]

"Where would this page be without Major Gun, Barrossered, Brock Landers & Rupert"

Probably about page 35?

Friday night Results, Port by 1 I think over Mitcham, who seemed to have some new players out and looked good in patches....

Onkas, fully inserted tonight, we troubled the score board once with an over, to about ummm actually F**k knows 7-15 maybe??

Either way we were fairly rubbish (7 firs gamers is wayyyy to many against a line up like onkas), but in saying that onkas really are a well oiled machine at the minute, would have to unbackable to go back to back.....

[wristwatcher]

Port Districts 1.10-13 def Mitcham 0.12-12
Ports best ; Pokeyhontus, Toasty, Seamus/Shawn/No.4 i think, 23 and Rocket. Sorry about the numbers boys but thats what it says in my notes. You know who you are.
Mitchams best ; Johnny Mason was BOG, Chris Careys late second half heroics nearly snatched a victory, Soxy prepared for his 30th with a good hitout and the big bearded fella shows a lot of spirit and continues to improve.
The scoreboard really doesnt reflect just how close it was....no wait, yes it does. Great to see the Hawks with a full quota with only Tommy G missing from what i could tell. Next thing to work on is someone reliable to wash and bring the strip.
This was a really good tight, tense pressure filled game of Gaelic football that could have gone either way.

Onkas 6.18-31 def Flinders 0.3-3
Onkas best ; Marcus 2 teams, Gabe, Connor, Pauly and Pedds
Flinders ; Bausty, Toddy Mac, Scotty and Dale not so much.
Well this scoreline did tell lies as in field play it was a dour struggle but around the pipes the Onkas boys were nothing short of clinical. I cant really remember the Onkas boys missing a set shot and only remember gabe missing one dead ball shot (have a good long hard look at yourself mate ) probably not enough superlatives to describe the way that Onkas played...disciplined, fast, skillfull, structured and accurate are a few that spring to mind. I really didnt think that Flinders played all that bad they just ran into a team that played the near perfect game IMO.
I agree with FONs post. Onkas would be unbackable faves to go back to back and will win the League and Hannigan Cup as well as the 7 a side Cup they lost in overtime earlier this year to become only the 2nd club to do the triple. I doubt the other teams will even bother trying to stop them

[wristwatcher]

Its also getting close to the time of the year where we get a nominated member from each of the clubs and put together the TEAM OF THE YEAR. Criteria is roughly based on the top 10 vote getters, each club being able to nominate one must have player in the team and filling in the gaps for the rest. This team is effectively attempted to be named in the positions played throughout the year but that can be challenging as their are only 2 midfield spots obviously and most teams do put their best players in the midfield or in last years case often in goals. Should you gain selection for this team you are automatically invited into the State team. From what i have seen so far here are my nominations for each team, posters are invited to offer their opinions/nominations to help us pick the best team possible based on performances throughout the season and not on reputation or potential.

ONKAS - Gabe, Wade, Danny, Peds, Marcus, Clint, Whitto, Connor and Jamie
W.I - Flo x 3, Gags, Chris, GK and Jack Horan
NA FIANNA - Jolls, Turls, Gav, Merv, Joffa, Tails, Andy Q and Shents
ST.B - Peggararo x 2, Zeus, Millsy, backy, Newbs and Bevo
PORT - Toasty, Rocket, Levi, Jack and Pokey
FLINDERS - Freddy, Toddy Mac, Christian, Bausty and Dale
IRISH - Cathal, Daices, Chappy and Whitey
MITCHAM - Mase, Carey, Soxy

[Neville Bartoss]

Wristy was pretty spot on with his summary of the game. Onkas were clinical up forward and used the ball really well. Hopefully some of the new boys we had out stick around and continue to improve.

On an entirely different note and continuing with the 15 a side topic and evening up the competition, what are posters opinions on a cap on Irish players at each club? For instance it could be 4 per club and if an Irish player plays for 3 seasons they become an Australian player? Would allow the influx of Irish players to be spread amongst the clubs, improving the competition and all teams? Just an idea