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Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:34 am
by Dogwatcher
The Tiser today says Adelaide City could enter the A League by 2011.
Would make a rival for United - much like the Power did for the Crows (I can hear the predictable chants/comments now).
Talk of the team's playing as co-tenants of any future city west stadium.

Re: Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:01 am
by LaughingKookaburra
Dogwatcher wrote:The Tiser today says Adelaide City could enter the A League by 2011.
Would make a rival for United - much like the Power did for the Crows (I can hear the predictable chants/comments now).
Talk of the team's playing as co-tenants of any future city west stadium.

Very interesting indeed.Don't know if Adelaide can cater for 2 A-League teams yet.I mean yes United do get good consistant crowds but the Stadium is rarely sold out and its a capacity of only 16,000.Imo hardly enough to get another team in Adelaide yet.

Re: Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:51 am
by hearts on fire
LaughingKookaburra wrote:
Dogwatcher wrote:The Tiser today says Adelaide City could enter the A League by 2011.
Would make a rival for United - much like the Power did for the Crows (I can hear the predictable chants/comments now).
Talk of the team's playing as co-tenants of any future city west stadium.

Very interesting indeed.Don't know if Adelaide can cater for 2 A-League teams yet.I mean yes United do get good consistant crowds but the Stadium is rarely sold out and its a capacity of only 16,000.Imo hardly enough to get another team in Adelaide yet.

Hindmarsh is sh1t, who would wanna watch soccer there? if they had a better and bigger stadium, i think the crowds will come!

Re: Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:57 am
by RoosterMarty
What a ridiculous comment. Hindmarsh is a brilliant place to watch football, you have a perfect view pretty much everywhere you sit. The only downside is it's size.

Re: Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:17 pm
by mumbles
hearts on fire wrote:
LaughingKookaburra wrote:
Dogwatcher wrote:The Tiser today says Adelaide City could enter the A League by 2011.
Would make a rival for United - much like the Power did for the Crows (I can hear the predictable chants/comments now).
Talk of the team's playing as co-tenants of any future city west stadium.

Very interesting indeed.Don't know if Adelaide can cater for 2 A-League teams yet.I mean yes United do get good consistant crowds but the Stadium is rarely sold out and its a capacity of only 16,000.Imo hardly enough to get another team in Adelaide yet.

Hindmarsh is sh1t, who would wanna watch soccer there? if they had a better and bigger stadium, i think the crowds will come!


would you rather watch soccer at somewhere like adelaide oval, where your miles away from the pitch?

Re: Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:49 pm
by Dirko
RoosterMarty wrote:What a ridiculous comment. Hindmarsh is a brilliant place to watch football, you have a perfect view pretty much everywhere you sit. The only downside is it's size.



Spot on RM spot on...Greta stadium, just not enough capacity. Need to fill in the corners to raise it to 22 - 25000...

As for City, well, they'll have to change the strip, etc etc as the A-League are a non denominational competition.
I follow City in the local league, as I used to watch "Juve" play at Hindmarsh back in the day, and in all honesty if
they got their 5hit together, would jump back on the wagon...

Cue Wedgie...Would he give away er Queensland, umm sorry CCM to follow City if they came in ?

Re: Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:36 pm
by Dogwatcher
SJABC - I too would have to consider my loyalties.
I was too young to go to games, but was certainly an Adelaide City fan (same colours as collingwood!).
But, three years is a long way away.

Re: Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:32 pm
by Wedgie
Hopefully it works out, would be great for soccer supporters in South Australia to have a team to be proud of again. :D

Re: Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:42 pm
by gadj1976
They're setting themselves up for a massive fall. Establish your market, then expand.

Definitely the A league is gathering interest but it's a minority market and will fall/diminish like the NBL has. The NBL was marketed as the same type of industry and is struggling to maintain interest both from sponsors and fans/spectators.

Re: Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:42 am
by BurraBoys
hmmm
not keen on adelaide city returning. Cant see adelaide being able to support two sides. Id much rather see united grow into a national and continental force both on and off the field rather than have them fight a local turf war and have the loyalty of the supporters torn. Adelaide city was the past, a great past but i wouldnt like them to enter the a-league. Not enough population here simply.

Lowy believes that the A-league can eventually support 12 sides.

Adelaide United
Perth Glory
Melbourne Victory
Sydney FC
Newcastle Jets
Central Coast Mariniers
Auckland Phoenix
Queensland Roar
North Queensland Thunder - 2009/10
Goldcoast Galaxy - 2009/10
2nd sydney side
2nd melbourne side or potentially canberra

Hindmarsh is great stadium but's its loaction and capacity is holding united back. Having games at a larger more accessible facility will see them take massive strides. Hopefully this worldcup bid sees a new multipurpose facility built in the cbd. SANFL, plus the funding source a sizeable roadblocks though.

Re: Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:57 am
by JK
RoosterMarty wrote:What a ridiculous comment. Hindmarsh is a brilliant place to watch football, you have a perfect view pretty much everywhere you sit. The only downside is it's size.


Perfectly said mate.

Re: Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:23 pm
by LaughingKookaburra
BurraBoys wrote:hmmm
not keen on adelaide city returning. Cant see adelaide being able to support two sides. Id much rather see united grow into a national and continental force both on and off the field rather than have them fight a local turf war and have the loyalty of the supporters torn. Adelaide city was the past, a great past but i wouldnt like them to enter the a-league. Not enough population here simply.

Lowy believes that the A-league can eventually support 12 sides.

Adelaide United
Perth Glory
Melbourne Victory
Sydney FC
Newcastle Jets
Central Coast Mariniers
Auckland Phoenix
Queensland Roar
North Queensland Thunder - 2009/10
Goldcoast Galaxy - 2009/10
2nd sydney side
2nd melbourne side or potentially canberra

Hindmarsh is great stadium but's its loaction and capacity is holding united back. Having games at a larger more accessible facility will see them take massive strides. Hopefully this worldcup bid sees a new multipurpose facility built in the cbd. SANFL, plus the funding source a sizeable roadblocks though.

Agree,but its frustrating hearing a kn*bhead premier with excuses for not building a new stadium in the CBD.This is my 3rd post about this topic on this site and I stand by my comments. I heard one of the most ridiculous comments ever by a government figure for not building a multi purpose facility and it was "What happens if we don't win the world cup bid? this new stadium would become the biggest white elephant in Australia." 1- How would it be a white elephant when soccer and football would use it all year round. 2- How the f*** would we host a match here if the stadium is not given the go ahead. Can't wait till this idiot is voted out in the next election.At least the opposition has a vision for sporting fans in SA. (They want to build the stadium with a new rail link)

Re: Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:01 pm
by Dogwatcher
LK,he won't be voted out, but I believe the Major General will provide a real fight.

Re: Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:53 pm
by RoosterMarty
Oh and as for City coming into the A-League, it won't happen. I doubt there will be another team in Adelaide for a long, long time (if ever).

Re: Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:04 pm
by heater31
Adelaide City had their chance to be a part of a national league but said it was all too hard and dropped out allowing United to be formed. Now they want back in when its on the way up, sorry you classed a national comp as the too hard basket so deal with it.


on the subject of a new stadium yep all for it but we must eliminate other venues (Footy Pk and Hindmarsh) and leave Adelaide Oval alone drop in wickets are carp look at the MCG FFS.

Re: Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:07 pm
by LaughingKookaburra
Agree,build the new Adelaide Oval western Grandstand and leave it to cricket. Know its a bit far fetched but would another indoor facility in that vacinity able to seat 10,000 people be handy aswell?? Good for concerts and the 36ers???

Re: Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:10 am
by Wedgie
Its all about money guys. AC relied on sponsors for money previously but now thanks to their setup at Oakden theyre raking it in.
Would be better off than most of the A League sides.
Never say never! :)

Re: Another A League side in A Town

PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:22 pm
by BurraBoys
Wedgie wrote:Its all about money guys. AC relied on sponsors for money previously but now thanks to their setup at Oakden theyre raking it in.
Would be better off than most of the A League sides.
Never say never! :)


Can understand where you are coming from but if i was in charge of handing out an A-league licenses, the most important thing is maintaining the quality and integrity of the product as well as obviously making the most money possible from the license venture. Look at my other post outlining where i think the league will expand. North Queensland, Goldcoast, Second/western sydney side, second melbourne side. It may be in condraciction of what i said earlier but the maximum number of sides a league in this country could sustain would be 14. Two more teams on top of the suggestion already posted by me is still a stretch.

You need to consider the quality of the product and not spreading the talent to thin. Let's face it, a-league standard is not great. Thoroughly enjoyable but not great. More teams could be sustained with an influx on international (mainly asian) players/talent but currently the mone is not there for that either. Remembering also that the foundations of the new league was that it designed to unite cities behind teams and do away with the clubs heavily associated with ethnic ties in an attempt to alieviate hooligansim/race issues etc. Handing out new a-league liscense must also stay true to that theme.

I see Adelaide cities bid falling down on two fronts. Firstly, an adelaide city club would potentially be heavily ethnically dominated by italian culture, as it was in the old NSL. Not being prejudiced or racist there at all but that was the sort of thing the a-league was trying to avoid. Secondly lets look at where the league as a whole is going to get the best bang for buck in maximum 14 team competition. Before even going into it in detail, i can safley say that it wouldnt be in adelaide with a second team.

Far ahead of us are a second melbourne side, western sydney, wollongong (who were unlucky to have there license bid reject of northern queensland. After those three (which takes the competion to thirteen, the competition for a 14th license would viably come from canberra, tasmania, or a second adelaide side. From a business prespective would you rather spilt the adelaide market and loyalties or pursue a city (hobart or canberra) who, at the moment have no sporting side in any of the major football codes. Without a stadium expansion or relocation to a new city based stadium, i cant see united attendances getting any higher than there current, respectable (but third lowest in the league) average. Splitting a small adelaide market is very dangerous.

A canberra side could be supported by an AIS youth side in the youth new league and a tasmanian side would only be competing with the devils cricket side for crowd and supporter numbers over the summer months.

Sorry city.....not on the cards, but hey, feel free to make me eat my words