Robbie Williams

[scoob]

not sure where you are coming from punk as management have nothing to do with the songs...
anyway, he has a shitload of hits like angels, let me entertain you, feel, radio, etc the list goes on...you dont fill a stadium with 60,000 people if your songs are crap...I think you may be a little out of touch with the music scene my friend

au contraire- I'm probably more in touch with the music scene than yourself, & maybe I'm the only one not wearing blinkers.
Robbie Williams is an ENTERTAINER, & he is very good at it.
He does not have any quality songs.
You fill a stadium with 60,000 people when your Public Relations far exceeds your ability to produce quality music.
Angels= 5hit.
Radio= 5hit
& most of his other songs are 5hit also- but he has the personality & stage presence to not let that get in the way.
Britney Spears has that + good (catchy) songs.
Kylie Minougue also (she drifts between Britney & Robbie, as she has done some B-grade soongs also).
His songs are very B-grade, & he gives them more credibility than they deserve.
If you take time to read my posts (yes all of them), I openly say he is a talented individual, however, the material (songs) he's been given to work with are absolute CARP!

I am not one of the sheep who blindly follow mainstream music (ie listen to exactly what the Record Exec's want, & be a good consumer & buy all those greatest hits albums at christams).
I do like stuff that's played on the radio, but I'm a discerning listener, & I'll give credit where it's due.
But I'm not swallowing everything hook. line & sinker, presented in a mass feed trough like a majority of the single/album buying public!

Hardcore punky!!! RESPECT

[scoob]

not sure where you are coming from punk as management have nothing to do with the songs...
anyway, he has a shitload of hits like angels, let me entertain you, feel, radio, etc the list goes on...you dont fill a stadium with 60,000 people if your songs are crap...I think you may be a little out of touch with the music scene my friend

Supposed you tape the ABBA special that was on the TV the other night too OL!

[Punk Rooster]

not sure where you are coming from punk as management have nothing to do with the songs...
anyway, he has a shitload of hits like angels, let me entertain you, feel, radio, etc the list goes on...you dont fill a stadium with 60,000 people if your songs are crap...I think you may be a little out of touch with the music scene my friend

Breakdown of the crowd-
30,000 giggly school girls with an unrealstic belief that they'll marry Robbie 1 day
15,000 mothers of 1st group, with same ideals as above
15,000 Dads bored out of their scones, apart from a bit of eye-candy floating around! (& also making sure that none of the other fathers are checking out their "darling daughter"! )

[our_longreach]

You've totally miscontrued my message punky. For the record, I'm not a Robbie fan, but I disagree with your statements about his management and the quality of his songs.

Whether or not you like his songs is irrelevant. It is your perogative to not like them and your right to say you don't and I may even agree with some your views. Music quality is always going to be a perception issue and, irrespective of your perception of their quality, he has made millions from selling these songs. Therefore you (and me) must be in a minority as not everyone percieves them as crap.

His management are not responible for what he writes or sings - that is his own choice and artistic direction. To say they should all be sacked when he is selling bucketloads of records and playing to sellout stadiums across the world is an abusrd statement and if you think that an artist like Robbie Williams would perform and write songs because his management tells him to, then again I think you probably are out of touch.

As for the crowd last night, from my observations it was fairly evenly distrubuted across all demographics and definitely wouldnt have said that it was 50% schoolgirls. Probably fair to say that it would have been 65% female though.

[mighty_tiger_79]

i went last night (dragged by the g/f - the other visuals quite good also!!!), I was never a big fan of robbie, but he has grown on me. he's an arrogant prick who knows he can get away with anything and everything

He is an ENTERTAINER, and he is very good at what he does.

the SONGS are ????? and he doesnt even write his own songs which makes it harder to respect him as a musician.

i think to a certain extent his management tell him what songs he should have on albums because of the theme they may be looking for.....

he has a couple of good tunes........

on last night, i wasnt there for the music really more for the ENTERTAINMENT.

those die-hard fans would have been happy with the gig, my G/F loved it, though she wasnt impressed with ANGELS at all.

the other point with Robbie, U2 etc is that they are so scripted and cliched they should try to be more original. To Robbie's credit he did mention something about sharks on the news.

I went to BILLY JOEL for the music and I got the whole package i was after, and im sure people got that last night too.

[our_longreach]

Agree with almost everything you said MT except the bit about not writing his own songs - simply not true. I think because he was in a boy band people assume that he doesnt write his own material. Doubt whether he writes the music, that is probably a collaborative effort.

Also agree with Angels - wasn't the highlight of the show.

It was a totally different show from U2 and a different style of entertainment but perhaps at times a bit too adlib for my liking. I loved the U2 concert but got sick of people saying they didnt like U2 politcal theme and messages. Well hello, dont f%&ing go to a U2 show if you don't want to hear politics. It like going to the casino and saying you didn't like it because there was gambling there...

[mighty_tiger_79]

i didnt go to U2, but all i was trying to say was that U2, Robbie and other big acts are generally scripted and so cliched, but Robbie did bring a bit of the local content into the show. Apparently U2 thought they were in Perth or something.

im not assuming he doesnt write music, i thought it was a well known fact that the majority of his songs are written for him. I mean didnt he recently just change his lyricist. most of his songs is just poetry anyway.

but he is a FANTASTIC ENTERTAINER, whether people love him or hate him that is the general consensus.

[mal]

I have been told his first song was on a stage in the middle of nowhere on the ground.
He was amongst the crowd in a dynamic start to a concert.
That off the main stage but inwards in a crowd was perfected in the 1930's
by one of the greatest singer of all time Al Jolsin.

I have listened to music for 40 years, from rock and roll to pop to bubblegum
to PUNK to cRAP to new age music.
Without doubt Robbie Williams is one of the all time greatest entertainer/singers
to have graced the music world.
Women 10 to 100 years old love him.
If some of the male critics on SAFOOTY had a f...y and not b....s you would appreciate
the great mans popularity in the feMALe world.

Not since JOLSIN and PRESLEY have we had such unprecented popularity in a male
solo entertainer, some others have got close but not as good.

My wife went with her girlfriends and loved the $150 show.
I havent seen my wife this excited since our wedding day.

FIGROBBIE FOREVER

[Mr66]

I have been told his first song was on a stage in the middle of nowhere on the ground.
He was amongst the crowd in a dynamic start to a concert.
That off the main stage but inwards in a crowd was perfected in the 1930's
by one of the greatest singer of all time Al Jolsin.

I have listened to music for 40 years, from rock and roll to pop to bubblegum
to PUNK to cRAP to new age music.
Without doubt Robbie Williams is one of the all time greatest entertainer/singers
to have graced the music world.
Women 10 to 100 years old love him.
If some of the male critics on SAFOOTY had a f...y and not b....s you would appreciate
the great mans popularity in the feMALe world.

Not since JOLSIN and PRESLEY have we had such unprecented popularity in a male
solo entertainer, some others have got close but not as good.

My wife went with her girlfriends and loved the $150 show.
I havent seen my wife this excited since our wedding day.

FIGROBBIE FOREVER

Soooooooo....THATS the reason why you like him

[mal]

I have been told his first song was on a stage in the middle of nowhere on the ground.
He was amongst the crowd in a dynamic start to a concert.
That off the main stage but inwards in a crowd was perfected in the 1930's
by one of the greatest singer of all time Al Jolsin.

I have listened to music for 40 years, from rock and roll to pop to bubblegum
to PUNK to cRAP to new age music.
Without doubt Robbie Williams is one of the all time greatest entertainer/singers
to have graced the music world.
Women 10 to 100 years old love him.
If some of the male critics on SAFOOTY had a f...y and not b....s you would appreciate
the great mans popularity in the feMALe world.

Not since JOLSIN and PRESLEY have we had such unprecented popularity in a male
solo entertainer, some others have got close but not as good.

My wife went with her girlfriends and loved the $150 show.
I havent seen my wife this excited since our wedding day.

FIGROBBIE FOREVER

Soooooooo....THATS the reason why you like him

MR66
They say I looked like Elvis Presley
About 15 seconds before he died.

[Dutchy]

i thought your posts were a bit sharper today Mal!!!!

[Mr66]

LOL ,mal

[mighty_tiger_79]

trust me it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!










but with my g/f its usually when she sees MAL, Robbie is 2nd on her list

[Punk Rooster]

You've totally miscontrued my message punky. For the record, I'm not a Robbie fan, but I disagree with your statements about his management and the quality of his songs.

Whether or not you like his songs is irrelevant. It is your perogative to not like them and your right to say you don't and I may even agree with some your views. Music quality is always going to be a perception issue and, irrespective of your perception of their quality, he has made millions from selling these songs. Therefore you (and me) must be in a minority as not everyone percieves them as crap.

His management are not responible for what he writes or sings - that is his own choice and artistic direction. To say they should all be sacked when he is selling bucketloads of records and playing to sellout stadiums across the world is an abusrd statement and if you think that an artist like Robbie Williams would perform and write songs because his management tells him to, then again I think you probably are out of touch.

As for the crowd last night, from my observations it was fairly evenly distrubuted across all demographics and definitely wouldnt have said that it was 50% schoolgirls. Probably fair to say that it would have been 65% female though.

I don't even know why I bother replying, but I'll try one more time...

The points I've made are very similar to what MT79 has written- yet you agree with him, & disagree with me?
His mangement don't write the songs, but would be responsible for "direction, content & marketability"- I'm saying they've got the marketability 100% right, but are only firing on 3 cylinders on the other fronts.

You recycle the point that I'm "out of touch"- is that because you disagree with me?
I've always been opened minded musically, so what reason would I have to have a pre-concieved negativity towards his music?
I'm just calling it as I see it.

It is very obvious that Robbie has a market share, & a large one at that, but I don't think you'll find his songs are taken seriously, by industry experts/critics.

I have said he's talented, I've not said he doesn't deserve financial success or a fanbase, what I have said, is that his songs are weak- end of story.

If you don't like my view or opinion, then fine, but to tell me I'm "out of touch" is a pathetic attempt to belittle my argument, especially when you have no idea of what I know musically, or who I know & my involvement with music/bands.

Cheers
PR

[mal]

You've totally miscontrued my message punky. For the record, I'm not a Robbie fan, but I disagree with your statements about his management and the quality of his songs.

Whether or not you like his songs is irrelevant. It is your perogative to not like them and your right to say you don't and I may even agree with some your views. Music quality is always going to be a perception issue and, irrespective of your perception of their quality, he has made millions from selling these songs. Therefore you (and me) must be in a minority as not everyone percieves them as crap.

His management are not responible for what he writes or sings - that is his own choice and artistic direction. To say they should all be sacked when he is selling bucketloads of records and playing to sellout stadiums across the world is an abusrd statement and if you think that an artist like Robbie Williams would perform and write songs because his management tells him to, then again I think you probably are out of touch.

As for the crowd last night, from my observations it was fairly evenly distrubuted across all demographics and definitely wouldnt have said that it was 50% schoolgirls. Probably fair to say that it would have been 65% female though.

I don't even know why I bother replying, but I'll try one more time...

The points I've made are very similar to what MT79 has written- yet you agree with him, & disagree with me?
His mangement don't write the songs, but would be responsible for "direction, content & marketability"- I'm saying they've got the marketability 100% right, but are only firing on 3 cylinders on the other fronts.

You recycle the point that I'm "out of touch"- is that because you disagree with me?
I've always been opened minded musically, so what reason would I have to have a pre-concieved negativity towards his music?
I'm just calling it as I see it.

It is very obvious that Robbie has a market share, & a large one at that, but I don't think you'll find his songs are taken seriously, by industry experts/critics.

I have said he's talented, I've not said he doesn't deserve financial success or a fanbase, what I have said, is that his songs are weak- end of story.

If you don't like my view or opinion, then fine, but to tell me I'm "out of touch" is a pathetic attempt to belittle my argument, especially when you have no idea of what I know musically, or who I know & my involvement with music/bands.

Cheers
PR

PR Whats your opinion of AL JOLSIN ?

[zipzap]

Not saying I like Robbie or 'Angels' but that is a song for the ages - it will be covered more than 'Yesterday'. Even though I don't particularly care for it, I can recognise it as a 'good' pop song. 'Tripping' is another 'good' pop song. He is capable of good songwriting, but for all the drooling slappers at my work who went I'm sure that was the last thing from their minds.

[Booney]

LMAO at this thread.Nothing like people ripping into something they dont like.Must be hard work.

With Mrs.Boon and about a dozen of her friends being mad Robbie fans,the other halves of these girls tagged along too,me included.Now,I hear Robbie at least twice a week at home,via CD or DVD and at times he does wear very thin with me,however,having attended many international acts over the years,no one,and I mean no-one I have seen so far works a crowd like he does.His "Your the best crowd ever" act would get spoken at every show,without a doubt,but its the show you are there to see,and he puts on a good one.Mind you,I have the day off to prepare the house and garden as well as myself ,so by the time we wandered off I probably would have enjoyed a Take That show,hang on a minute.....?

All in all,the show was great,the music average,but,thats what I expected.Nothing more,nothing less.

[mighty_tiger_79]

PUNK

no-one wants to agree with with heavy metal hard rocking punks like you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think a lot of people have the opinion he writes his own songs which is wrong because he recently changed lyricists............

he may write some songs but certainly not all

[mal]

Whats New Aged Music played backwards ?
New Aged Music.

Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

FIGROBBIE FOREVER.

[our_longreach]

The points I've made are very similar to what MT79 has written- yet you agree with him, & disagree with me?
His mangement don't write the songs, but would be responsible for "direction, content & marketability"- I'm saying they've got the marketability 100% right, but are only firing on 3 cylinders on the other fronts.

But that is the very thing punk. Marketing is a combination of the 4 P's: product, promotion, placement and price - ie. if marketing is 100% then that is because his management are selling and promoting the right product at the place and price. What cylinders are they not firing on????