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Re: Southern Football League

Postby umpy who? » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:31 pm

LuvsFooty wrote:Thanks for the answers umpy but I think it highlights the root of many problems (not having a go here, you personally could be a great umpire) but:

1. Most umpires have played very little footy, so when positioning is highlighted so much I wonder how after only 40 games of football umpires would have a thorough understanding of the 'best' positions to be in. In fact the 3 best umpires in the GSFL that I have seen are probably Greg Whitlesea, Paul Crate and Bryn Bridges. Neither of these guys worry about appearance, they communicate with players (players can also talk to them and ask questions) and they position themselves where they can make decisions (not where an umpire coach thinks they should go) And guess what? they have all played over 150 A grade matches and they have all coached. A receipe for success

2. When players train they do drills and skills that simulate match conditions. Umpires as stated do not!

3. Fitness is mentioned several times! I understand umpires need a certain level of fitness, but we are talking country footy. Please understand it doesnt matter how well you run. Consistent decision making is what matters.

Not having a go umpy at you personally but the above issues are probably what a lot of people (players / supporters) would highlight as some issues



i'm not one to take anything too personally Luvsfooty, criticism is part of the process of learning, umpires get criticised, players get criticised. it's life.

It's funny how fans, current players and even the media say we as umpires don't know best positions and what not, fair enough, we always argue that why don't the ex players who should know these things get out there and umpire? yes, some of them have, Paul Crate, Marty Clifton, etc. etc. have done. But after years of playing, not too many want to go to the hassle of doing it all again, pre-seasons, getting fit, losing weight (some of them), losing most saturdays and/or sundays and learning the trade. So why not send a few out - i'm sure any umpires group would love to have them out there training and teaching from a players perspective, but not too many want to get into it.

Have you got any ideas on how umpires can train with game type situations and under match conditions? i would love to know some ideas, just see what other people think of it. You have to remember that we don't exactly have the personnel, and the like to get a lot of things done.


I've got a question for you too: you've mentioned that players, fans etc. want consistency. Fair enough i suppose - that comment makes sense. BUT can i ask what EXACTLY is consistency? i know the definition of the word, but as far as i see it, an umpire can only call what he or she sees, if he sees a high tackle, then he's going to call it, if he sees a push in the back, he's going to call it, we so often hear "we want consistency" -i can't speak for everyone - but i still only call things as i see it, not as someone else sees it or as someone else believe it should be.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby fisho mcspaz » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:00 pm

Bag The Points wrote:Scott Kelly's walked out on the Hawks !!! Bobby McMahon took 'em yesterday with the help of Jim Garden.
What a loser !! The job was too big for him so now he's not even playing for them ! Not only the Hawks, but the whole of the Southern Football League has been left in the poo. At least Hooper saw out the season (in fact two of them).
We need a stronger Hackham. We need someone with the gumption and the patience to see the job through.
Any chance of cloning Shane Lynch ? :-k


Clone him?? You can have him! :twisted:
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Bag The Points » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:15 pm

fisho mcspaz wrote:
Bag The Points wrote:Scott Kelly's walked out on the Hawks !!! Bobby McMahon took 'em yesterday with the help of Jim Garden.
What a loser !! The job was too big for him so now he's not even playing for them ! Not only the Hawks, but the whole of the Southern Football League has been left in the poo. At least Hooper saw out the season (in fact two of them).
We need a stronger Hackham. We need someone with the gumption and the patience to see the job through.
Any chance of cloning Shane Lynch ? :-k


Clone him?? You can have him! :twisted:


Why's that Fisho ? To an outsider-looking-in he seems to be getting results.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby KEYDEFENDER » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:37 pm

Hawks were a rable on the weekend... no one maning up at any stage.
This sort of stuff is taught at junior level and not much blame can be attributed to the coaches on Sat.
The club needs to focus on juniors ASAP and as down the hill suggests, field a B team with a mix of their best players and juniors.

I dont like seeing the SFL in the funny column of sunday mail..
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Tiger Couple » Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:54 am

Umpy Who.

As an umpire of a couple different sports none of which are footy I believe that you may be consistent but the problem comes in when you may call things that you see as a free but your partner sees them and dosen't think they are a free.

It all comes down to each umpires interpratation of the rules and how they apply that.

Having seen a few SFL games in past years not many in the last couple years one of the best umpires I saw and heard was someone Lindner he has a son umpiring Reserves SANFL footy. He was great he talked to the players and they could talk to him and he had great control of the game. I think all players ask for is umpires that are there for the good of the game and will talk to them and let players ask them questions if done in the right manner.

Some days though with some spectators and players you are never going to win.

Keep up the hard work it is a thankless job.
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Re: what hope for SFL against emus?

Postby AFLflyer » Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:00 am

Happy Valley and Cove have now showed that any of the top 5 temas can beat the Emu's!! Well done to them. All top 5 clubs and and even Pt Noarlunga should now have the belief that the premiership can be theirs!! it needed to happen to make this competition interesting again.

because Sammy J. got reported for South, surely he can't now play with Morphett Vale? he must have gave that westies player a beauty. The article in the sunday mail made him look like a bit of a thug. I'm sure he would be still welcome down EMU land???
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Re: what hope for SFL against emus?

Postby Footy Smart » Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:08 am

cyclops wrote:If Reynella couldn't get near morphettvale this weekend, and with all the apparant inclusions the emus are going to get back what hope does not only reynella but the rest of the comp have?
not only this have you seen all the potentially great players that there juniors have running around in the 16s and 18s!!



Does Shane Hill play for Morphies??? if so how has he gone... he used to be at South a few years back and went ok.
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Re: what hope for SFL against emus?

Postby ex diver » Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:37 am

AFLflyer wrote:Happy Valley and Cove have now showed that any of the top 5 temas can beat the Emu's!! Well done to them. All top 5 clubs and and even Pt Noarlunga should now have the belief that the premiership can be theirs!! it needed to happen to make this competition interesting again.

because Sammy J. got reported for South, surely he can't now play with Morphett Vale? he must have gave that westies player a beauty. The article in the sunday mail made him look like a bit of a thug. I'm sure he would be still welcome down EMU land???


I agree except Reynella.
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Re: what hope for SFL against emus?

Postby AFLflyer » Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:44 am

ex diver wrote:
AFLflyer wrote:Happy Valley and Cove have now showed that any of the top 5 temas can beat the Emu's!! Well done to them. All top 5 clubs and and even Pt Noarlunga should now have the belief that the premiership can be theirs!! it needed to happen to make this competition interesting again.

because Sammy J. got reported for South, surely he can't now play with Morphett Vale? he must have gave that westies player a beauty. The article in the sunday mail made him look like a bit of a thug. I'm sure he would be still welcome down EMU land???


I agree except Reynella.


Haha, did you forget reynella beat H.valley and brighton fairly easily? any team on their day could do the job.
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Re: what hope for SFL against emus?

Postby Down the Hill » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:20 pm

[quote="AFLflyer]
Haha, did you forget reynella beat H.valley and brighton fairly easily? any team on their day could do the job.[/quote]

You are right Flyer but I wouldn't say Reynalla beat Brighton easily in Round 1. Final margin 21 points and Reynella kicked first 6 of game and made it look more comfortable by kicking the last 2 goals in last minute. Brighton did look to be running all over Wineys who were saved time and again by experience of Moore floating across half back in last quarter.

Do Reynella lack pace from its ageing midfield which may find them struggling on the bigger grounds in finals. Middleton and Bradshaw are quick but can't think of many others. This was the case in last years Prelim and nothing much has seemed to change ? Moore, Butcher (when fit) and Prescott are quality but how will their bodies be come September. Has Prescott been injured in recent weeks ?

It is looking like a real open season though with maybe no teams making up the numbers in finals. The Bombers play the Twisties on the Pasty next Round and Glenelg have a BYE so can not be taken lightly. Any tips Flyer on who has to be watched from MP ?
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby AFLflyer » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:27 pm

Fair call about Reynella's pace i reckon, i think they may be struggling with that at the moment, but will boost with prescott back , bradshaw with a few games under his belt and the lightning pace of J.middleton when he returns. i wouldn't write them off yet, but they obviously need to improve alot.

didnt see last weeks game . That could be match of the round this week. Will M.park get any bays players back from the bay? anyone?
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby tunit » Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:22 pm

some big scores on the weekend, can anyone be bothered playing this weekend? who is in the team anyone good playing? what is going on down at Reynella, Morphetvale, Hackham, and Aldinga it sounds like the league is falling apart, perhaps we should join with the GSFL and have 2 divs.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby reppoh_eht » Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:43 pm

tunit wrote:some big scores on the weekend, can anyone be bothered playing this weekend? who is in the team anyone good playing? what is going on down at Reynella, Morphetvale, Hackham, and Aldinga it sounds like the league is falling apart, perhaps we should join with the GSFL and have 2 divs.


Where have you pulled that from buddy? The league is falling apart??? Reynella lost to an ever improving team, M.Vale lost thier second game in three weeks to two teams which will be fighting for the flag, hardly falling apart. And Aldinga are still fighting through, cant go from zero to hero in 6 months. Only team that you mentioned that you may be right about it Hackham, but as for the rest... haha surely you can not say the league is falling apart, if any thing it is much stronger this season.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Real McCoy » Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:54 pm

AFLflyer, the 21 that took the field has been the 21 that they have used all year, they had one U/19 lad from Glenelg who has been playing on and off with Morphy Pk this year.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby AFLflyer » Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:59 pm

Real McCoy wrote:AFLflyer, the 21 that took the field has been the 21 that they have used all year, they had one U/19 lad from Glenelg who has been playing on and off with Morphy Pk this year.



yeah i realise that was the case last week against reynella, but someone said that this year some Bay palyers were using MP as their local side and the bay have a bye this week?
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Zelezny Chucks » Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:05 pm

Yeah but they seem to be travelling pretty well in the Ressies as well I can't see too many major players having a run this week. They were more likely to have played last weekend.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Navy2005 » Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:29 pm

Anybody got any suggestions for who would make a good Senior Coach for Hackham?
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby roo32 » Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:48 pm

Navy2005 wrote:Anybody got any suggestions for who would make a good Senior Coach for Hackham?


I reckon Kevin sheedy would go alright!! 8)
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby AFLflyer » Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:58 pm

coach isn't important at the moment. they need some decent players, unless the coach can bring some players along !

how could those kelly boys do that to the club, does anyone know if they are playing anywhere now? hope they struggle to find a club!
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Navy2005 » Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:12 pm

Heard Jody Tassone is the assistant coach at Noarlunga and being a former Hackham captain would he be interested in the job I wonder?
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