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Re: Southern Football League

Postby THE MOLE » Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:37 pm

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Swooper16 wrote:I think Sundays game will mean alot more more to Reynella then M/Vale. If they fail to beat the emus at their own home ground during the regular season i cant see them being able to believe that they could win against them come finals.

Also it may sound a touch stupid but i dont think Morphies would be that upset if they were to drop a game against either Reynella or Brighton. Going into the finals series undeafeted can sometimes create just that bit more pressure that you probly dont need.

When was the last time an A grade SFL team won a flag undefeated?


Don't know about that Swopper, winning form is good form. Why not go in knowing that what you've got is the best and all you need to do is perform at your best and the rest is history.

Each time you go on the ground, do you really think that the players think about if they won last week?


No but in the grand final if you havent lost during the year, it does add a little pressure on the day!! Ask clay sampson and his junior days down at the emus!!
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Numbers » Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:43 pm

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Swooper16 wrote:I think Sundays game will mean alot more more to Reynella then M/Vale. If they fail to beat the emus at their own home ground during the regular season i cant see them being able to believe that they could win against them come finals.

Also it may sound a touch stupid but i dont think Morphies would be that upset if they were to drop a game against either Reynella or Brighton. Going into the finals series undeafeted can sometimes create just that bit more pressure that you probly dont need.

When was the last time an A grade SFL team won a flag undefeated?


Don't know about that Swopper, winning form is good form. Why not go in knowing that what you've got is the best and all you need to do is perform at your best and the rest is history.

I just don't agree! Everytime you play you play to win. Does it really matter if you've won all your games or just enough, come the day in september there is only one prize and both teams will be nervous about the possibility of getting it! I'd rather be the team that has beaten everyone rather then the team that has lost to them!

Each time you go on the ground, do you really think that the players think about if they won last week?


No but in the grand final if you havent lost during the year, it does add a little pressure on the day!! Ask clay sampson and his junior days down at the emus!!
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Swooper16 » Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:47 pm

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Swooper16 wrote:I think Sundays game will mean alot more more to Reynella then M/Vale. If they fail to beat the emus at their own home ground during the regular season i cant see them being able to believe that they could win against them come finals.

Also it may sound a touch stupid but i dont think Morphies would be that upset if they were to drop a game against either Reynella or Brighton. Going into the finals series undeafeted can sometimes create just that bit more pressure that you probly dont need.

When was the last time an A grade SFL team won a flag undefeated?


Don't know about that Swopper, winning form is good form. Why not go in knowing that what you've got is the best and all you need to do is perform at your best and the rest is history.

Each time you go on the ground, do you really think that the players think about if they won last week?


If M/Vale drop 1 game they will still go in to finals as clearly the best side.

You just always hear on GF day about a side going into a GF undefeated and getting done. M/Vale def would not be doing anything to harm their chances for their remaining games but if they were to lose then it might not be such a bad thing and its just that less bit of pressure to deal with on the big day.

i think i was just following on from my original point that i believe its a must win game for Reynella while if Morphies were to lose then i dont think the repercussions would be nearly as bad.

Either way should be a cracking game with a bumper crowd.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Numbers » Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:50 pm

Will be a cracker game! They always seem to be.

I think that club should aim to be the first undeated A grade side in ages! Thats a massive achivement for the forth flag!
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby The Lova » Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:52 pm

Swooper16 wrote:I think Sundays game will mean alot more more to Reynella then M/Vale. If they fail to beat the emus at their own home ground during the regular season i cant see them being able to believe that they could win against them come finals.

Also it may sound a touch stupid but i dont think Morphies would be that upset if they were to drop a game against either Reynella or Brighton. Going into the finals series undeafeted can sometimes create just that bit more pressure that you probly dont need.

When was the last time an A grade SFL team won a flag undefeated?


I would think that would make the emus more hungry for a win on sunday against the wineflies. It has been a long time since an a grade side has won an undefeated premiership (i cant remember the last). they have brocken other records this year why not go for more. They are so close to a perfect season. I think they would hate to drop one. Thats just my opinion tho! The pressure of a grand final day is enough. how much more pressure can be added cause you havent lost a game all season. I think it would be neglegable.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Numbers » Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:58 pm

Thats what I think Lova.

It's all on the line come GF day! Better to be the side that has beaten each team than the side that hasn't.

Morphett Vale still need to get there yet, but they are in good form and will need to maintain it as I think the finals series is going to be a cracker.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby The Lova » Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:04 pm

Numbers wrote:Thats what I think Lova.

It's all on the line come GF day! Better to be the side that has beaten each team than the side that hasn't.

Morphett Vale still need to get there yet, but they are in good form and will need to maintain it as I think the finals series is going to be a cracker.


A cracker indeed. Where teams finish at the end of the season could have a massive influence on the outcome. Especially with the way teams are playing against different oppositions. for example. Brighton beat cove, cove smashed reynella, and reynella beat brighton. as I said in a previous post some teams match up well on others and anyone can win on the day.

What are peoples thoughts on the games this week.
Who will win the sunday blockbuster and by how much????
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Zelezny Chucks » Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:59 pm

I think the Morphies B Grade has a couple of years of undefeated Flags a few years back didn't they? I don't really think that is an issue that the other clubs would be focusing on they'd definitely just be concentrating on how to beat them!
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby The Mexican » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:17 pm

THE MOLE wrote:
Numbers wrote:
Swooper16 wrote:I think Sundays game will mean alot more more to Reynella then M/Vale. If they fail to beat the emus at their own home ground during the regular season i cant see them being able to believe that they could win against them come finals.

Also it may sound a touch stupid but i dont think Morphies would be that upset if they were to drop a game against either Reynella or Brighton. Going into the finals series undeafeted can sometimes create just that bit more pressure that you probly dont need.

When was the last time an A grade SFL team won a flag undefeated?


Don't know about that Swopper, winning form is good form. Why not go in knowing that what you've got is the best and all you need to do is perform at your best and the rest is history.

Each time you go on the ground, do you really think that the players think about if they won last week?


No but in the grand final if you havent lost during the year, it does add a little pressure on the day!! Ask clay sampson and his junior days down at the emus!!


Not sure what you are saying here Mole, Clay never lost a grand final where his side was undefeated going in...
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby The Mexican » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:25 pm

Swooper16 wrote:
Numbers wrote:
Swooper16 wrote:I think Sundays game will mean alot more more to Reynella then M/Vale. If they fail to beat the emus at their own home ground during the regular season i cant see them being able to believe that they could win against them come finals.

Also it may sound a touch stupid but i dont think Morphies would be that upset if they were to drop a game against either Reynella or Brighton. Going into the finals series undeafeted can sometimes create just that bit more pressure that you probly dont need.

When was the last time an A grade SFL team won a flag undefeated?


Don't know about that Swopper, winning form is good form. Why not go in knowing that what you've got is the best and all you need to do is perform at your best and the rest is history.

Each time you go on the ground, do you really think that the players think about if they won last week?


If M/Vale drop 1 game they will still go in to finals as clearly the best side.

You just always hear on GF day about a side going into a GF undefeated and getting done.

Either way should be a cracking game with a bumper crowd.


I ask you this Swooper, how many undefeated sides that win flags do you hear about..?? It is never part of the topic for discussion as to how many did they lose during the year, it's who won full stop, it's just that when a team does go in undefeated it is more of a talking point at the time, 2-3 years later the premier is remembered not necessarily who they defeated or whether they had lost during the year. Out of all the competitions in Australia the amount of teams that defeat undefeated teams in grand finals would be a very small percentage.

I'll totally agree with the Lova here also and state there is no extra pressure going into GF day if you are undefeated or not, the pressure of the day is what's on your mind. Most on this forum have played the game and also won premierships, you can't say that with 5 minutes to go and down by a few points you would be thinking of we haven't lost all year what are we going to do, you would be working your arse off to ensure you do everything possible to get your team over the line.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Swooper16 » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:40 pm

I cant provide a full statistical analysis for you Mexican but its not an unheard of for a team to go through the season undefeated only to stumble at the final leg. I read on another leagues forum about one team who have lost 3 games in 5 years or something and each game they lost was a GF.

I don’t think it would make any difference with 5 mins to go of a close match whether a team was undefeated or not but I definitely think it would in the first 5 mins and also in the build up. Maybe blokes expect it will happen automatically or take it as a right they will win because no-ones has beat them yet. Maybe some blokes place too much pressure on themselves as they would feel embarrassed if the only game they lost all year was the GF. Maybe the opposition can go into the match a touch more relaxed as they are not expected to win or even challenge which could also act as an extra spur. Maybe it’s a combination of all of the above?

Someone mentioned how Morphies have recently done it back to back in the B grade. From memory they were Red hot favourites for that match (obviously) but found themselves down at ¼ time by 5 goals or something. They were good enough to get out of it but do you think just maybe the pressure they would have placed on themselves could have contributed to a slow start?

As I said I don’t think Morphies would be doing anything to ensure they lost a game before or during the finals but in my opinion sometimes a loss before finals can be a blessing in disguise. It can sometimes put things in perspective before its too late & I also believe that for whatever reason going into a GF undefeated can add further pressure to what is already an intense day.

* This is the opinion of the author only and is no way endorsed by the S.F.L, M.V.F.C or any team anywhere in Australia that has managed to go through a complete season undefeated.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby The Mexican » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:54 pm

Swooper16 wrote:I cant provide a full statistical analysis for you Mexican but its not an unheard of for a team to go through the season undefeated only to stumble at the final leg. I read on another leagues forum about one team who have lost 3 games in 5 years or something and each game they lost was a GF.

I don’t think it would make any difference with 5 mins to go of a close match whether a team was undefeated or not but I definitely think it would in the first 5 mins and also in the build up. Maybe blokes expect it will happen automatically or take it as a right they will win because no-ones has beat them yet. Maybe some blokes place too much pressure on themselves as they would feel embarrassed if the only game they lost all year was the GF. Maybe the opposition can go into the match a touch more relaxed as they are not expected to win or even challenge which could also act as an extra spur. Maybe it’s a combination of all of the above?

Someone mentioned how Morphies have recently done it back to back in the B grade. From memory they were Red hot favourites for that match (obviously) but found themselves down at ¼ time by 5 goals or something. They were good enough to get out of it but do you think just maybe the pressure they would have placed on themselves could have contributed to a slow start?

As I said I don’t think Morphies would be doing anything to ensure they lost a game before or during the finals but in my opinion sometimes a loss before finals can be a blessing in disguise. It can sometimes put things in perspective before its too late & I also believe that for whatever reason going into a GF undefeated can add further pressure to what is already an intense day.

* This is the opinion of the author only and is no way endorsed by the S.F.L, M.V.F.C or any team anywhere in Australia that has managed to go through a complete season undefeated.


MENTALLY SOFT....

You rock up to Grand Final day expecting to win, that you are going to play the best game for the year, personally and as a team, you believe that if you do this the scoreboard will be in your favour at the end of the day, nothing else should matter, i guess this is the difference between 2 sides on GF day, how many think about other aspects outside of what is happening right now on the day, compared to who is only concerned about what is about to happen for the next 2 hours of his life. Obviously the 2 teams that make the GF have the talent to win it and we all know and keep getting told that a fair percentage of footy is played between the ears. What has happened prior to that day should not entirely be dismissed but it is in fact the past and nothing will change it. I'm certain that the amount of undefeated sides that lose the GF would be less than 5% nation wide... Perhaps you could do the sums when you have nothing else to do.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Swooper16 » Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:03 pm

Haha i will look into it ;)

But i do think it does a make a difference if you are undefeated or not. How big a difference i guess depends on the character of the team.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby The Mexican » Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:08 pm

Swooper16 wrote:Haha i will look into it ;)

But i do think it does a make a difference if you are undefeated or not. How big a difference i guess depends on the character of the team.


Character of the individual more like.... I'll await the statistics...
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby WHEELS&DEALS » Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:12 pm

Heard the other day that Edwardstowns move to the S.F.L has been scraped. They spoke to there players and bugger all of them wanted to change leagues. Be interesting to see if they all stay together when they go down to Div 2 next year. Who's running the club these days the players(that have only one 1 game this year) or the committee. Also heard today that smackham will only be fielding a C grade team next year. This takes the league down to 13 teams and if Morphie Parks move an even dozen. Looks like the wheels are starting to come off down at the SFL. What happens in 2 years time when osb/lonsdale don't have anywhere to play. If they go, then it's down to 11. Can't see the league surviving with only that many clubs. How long will Aldinga, Marion, Flaggies C/beach and Noarlunga last at the bottom of the ladder. What happen to the leagues future direction committee or should i say no future.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby heater31 » Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:21 pm

WHEELS&DEALS wrote:Heard the other day that Edwardstowns move to the S.F.L has been scraped. They spoke to there players and bugger all of them wanted to change leagues. Be interesting to see if they all stay together when they go down to Div 2 next year. Who's running the club these days the players(that have only one 1 game this year) or the committee. Also heard today that smackham will only be fielding a C grade team next year. This takes the league down to 13 teams and if Morphie Parks move an even dozen. Looks like the wheels are starting to come off down at the SFL. What happens in 2 years time when osb/lonsdale don't have anywhere to play. If they go, then it's down to 11. Can't see the league surviving with only that many clubs. How long will Aldinga, Marion, Flaggies C/beach and Noarlunga last at the bottom of the ladder. What happen to the leagues future direction committee or should i say no future.


What is the point of changing leagues if the playing group don't support it, obviously they feel it is a step in the wrong direction. I spoke to some southern league guys last night and the SFL must go back to two divs the gap is only going to get bigger between the top and the bottom sides. They also said that it is rumored that Brighton might be heading back to the ammos too.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Injured Phantom » Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:27 pm

WHEELS&DEALS wrote:Heard the other day that Edwardstowns move to the S.F.L has been scraped. They spoke to there players and bugger all of them wanted to change leagues. Be interesting to see if they all stay together when they go down to Div 2 next year. Who's running the club these days the players(that have only one 1 game this year) or the committee. Also heard today that smackham will only be fielding a C grade team next year. This takes the league down to 13 teams and if Morphie Parks move an even dozen. Looks like the wheels are starting to come off down at the SFL. What happens in 2 years time when osb/lonsdale don't have anywhere to play. If they go, then it's down to 11. Can't see the league surviving with only that many clubs. How long will Aldinga, Marion, Flaggies C/beach and Noarlunga last at the bottom of the ladder. What happen to the leagues future direction committee or should i say no future.


Discussing with a Towns source in last few days. The vote with the players was not favourable to move to SFL, however there were also lots of question marks over if players would hang around if they went down to div 2. Maybe they halt a decision another 12 months and see if they can get back out if div 2, but given their performances in 07, they would be worried a about going div 3 surely. Each div or poor performance does make it harder to recruit. Financially they are best to move to the SFL but the C & D grade of Towns are dead against it apparantly, but their vote counts regardless of what team they play in. Question marks over the quality of football in the SFL seem to be a major hurdle. The top sides would do more than challenge Edwardstown on current form but who actually knows unless they play against each other.

I do not have anything to do with Edwardstown anymore so I cant really speak on their behalf. Hopefully someone can shead some light on this matter. I would recommend Edwardstown players come down to Reynella on Sunday for a team bonding day & watch the Emus vs Wineflies. The atmosphere of juniors playing before seniors.

Heard rumour that Morphy Parks now staying in SFL? Is this correct or a floating rumour?
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Zelezny Chucks » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:56 am

Surely the players can't hamstring a club like that if it is financially beneficial for the club to go to the SFL why wouldn't they? If they are worried about the standard then at least the top six sides would be a minimum of Div 2 Ammos anyway, not saying they would set the world alight in the comp but they would not be disgraced and some of the top teams M/Vale Cove and Reynella would hold there own in Div 1! If the players are so dead against it why don't they ask them to sign contracts saying they won't leave for at least the next season? Having said that given their current form maybe they need a cleanout!
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Injured Phantom » Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:17 am

Dare I say it ... well said ZC!

Somehow I think its not the top 6 clubs they are worried about so much, but the standard of the lower half clubs.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Numbers » Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:06 pm

I'm with you Phantom, I hate to say it, but ZC does seem right there!
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