FINALS 2010 - ALL grades

[shoe boy]

My last word on this and I am still sympathetic to MV situation.

But can any of you Emu people answer this.

Liam Green was listed as playing 5 matches for MV Under 18 during July and August. No goals or best players - yeah sure, he really played. Tell me this wasn't an absolute fabrication of team sheets. A spy tells me that this was detected by a rival club and MV pulled the pin on trying to qualify him or face another HV 2006 situation.

I also am aware of a club that has magicians who can be in 2 places at the same time!! Ohh but the SFL doesnt want to touch the college issue!!!! and no not the bombers DTH

[Injured Phantom]

I agree that with MV b grade in the finals, the rule should allow a player to be dropped. If the next grade up is not in the finals he should not be allowed to play. The rule does not state this, so until it does 'play on'. While I am not going to point the finger nor support the MVFC/SFL, I do hope the players with the medals make a stand to retain their medals (they are kids still remember, strip the club of the title but not the players as such).
If the rule says you must play 6 games in that grade, I do not understand why some U16's are then allowed to come up a grade if they had not played the 6 games of U18. Like someone said earlier, the best 4-5 U16's will be better than players 17-21 in the U18. Isn't this still strengthening your side with unqualified players?

[recruiter 10]

ITs a FARCE check out M.GALLEY from cove played A grade and juniors on the same day and as far as the league is concerned that is a game in both grades,so to all the clubs out there if you have a gun sit him on the bench in his grade,then play him in the seniors problem solved .

[85 WAS A GOOD YEAR]

OK This is an emotional issue. I can only point out again that since the Valleys incident in 2006 ALL club Secretaries and Delegates have received numerous emails from the League explaining in detail information relating to Junior qualification games for Finals, as well as special rules re Sunday Comp Finals.

At Flagstaff the Junior Director and Coaches are sent copies, and since 2006 have been keeping spreadsheets of matches played, plus checking Sportingpulse records to ensure they match.

In past years we have had numerous U18s play up in the A's, and did our best to make sure they qualified for finals by managing our playing lists accordingly. Yes, sometimes they may only play one or two quarters of 18s before changing to get ready for A's - but they did play in the matches we named them in.

The Finals qualification rule for Juniors is written within the SFL Handbook that is given to EVERY Team Manager, Delegate and Secretary. It is also available online for anyone to view.

Players games records can be checked online easily as well, by anyone who is registered to use Sportingpulse.

Good on Morphett Vale FC people for accepting responsibility for not keeping up with the rules that have been in place since 2006. It really is their mistake in the first place.

I really feel sorry for the MV players, their families, and the Coaches though. As their focus was always onfield, whilst their Administrators are there for the off-field rules and regulations so unfortunately they believed what they were told.

[Rush a Point]

I would like an apology from all the doubters who questioned my integrity on Sunday when I highlighted that there maybe an unqualified player from MV.

Immediate action needs to be taken:

1. MV should apologise to the Under 18 players of Cove and Brighton immediately. MV have completely ruined the last year of Juniors of some of these players. They have had taken away from them their right to play in a GF fair and square.

2. MV should be forced to hand back Premiership medals and the cup.

3. The SFL needs to take strong action against MV, fines and loss of points for next year.

4. The Junior Director of the SFL should be forced to stand down as a result of this oversight, that was allowed to progress over three weeks.

5. The SFL should declare a no result for th U18's this year.

6. The SFL should aplogise in writing to both Cove and Brighton.

The real losers here are Cove and Brighton U18 Players that deserved to play in a GF.

Poor form MV, even poorer form SFL.

[Dazza44]

I am astounded by this whole debacle in the Under 18's for two main reasons -
1. the rules are pretty clear that you must play 6 games to play in a junior team in the finals
2. the player in question had already played in 2 finals before the GF and the error wasn't picked up

The MVFC have acknowledged their error in interpreting the rules. That is a fine gesture by them, but I can't understand why they wouldn't have made absolutely sure about the qualification before playing the player ! This is an issue in every club every year, and you need to be absolutely sure ...

I am amazed that the error wasn't picked up before the GF ... there must be something the SFL can do to avoid this sort of unpleasantness and heartache. In every other sport I know of you have to submit finals teams before the event and they are checked for qualification before the match is played, but for some reason the SFL doesn't do this. I would think that maybe they should !!

Beyond that - to all of you bagging the SFL (and the men in maroon), I think you should remember that the Board only apply the rules and set the penalties. The rules are voted on and set BY THE CLUBS. All clubs agreed to the qualification rules as they stand, and if they didn't understand them they should have asked for clarification. The Board don't make the rules, the clubs do !! No point blaming board members for applying rules that have been agreed to by your own club representatives !!

In the end, this is just a sad situation for everyone involved, and I particularly feel sad for the lad who had his qualification questioned - did nothing wrong but will forever be the one who "lost them the flag" ... not a fair result.

[shoe boy]

OK This is an emotional issue. I can only point out again that since the Valleys incident in 2006 ALL club Secretaries and Delegates have received numerous emails from the League explaining in detail information relating to Junior qualification games for Finals, as well as special rules re Sunday Comp Finals.

At Flagstaff the Junior Director and Coaches are sent copies, and since 2006 have been keeping spreadsheets of matches played, plus checking Sportingpulse records to ensure they match.
In past years we have had numerous U18s play up in the A's, and did our best to make sure they qualified for finals by managing our playing lists accordingly. Yes, sometimes they may only play one or two quarters of 18s before changing to get ready for A's - but they did play in the matches we named them in.

The Finals qualification rule for Juniors is written within the SFL Handbook that is given to EVERY Team Manager, Delegate and Secretary. It is also available online for anyone to view.

Players games records can be checked online easily as well, by anyone who is registered to use Sportingpulse.

Good on Morphett Vale FC people for accepting responsibility for not keeping up with the rules that have been in place since 2006. It really is their mistake in the first place.

I really feel sorry for the MV players, their families, and the Coaches though. As their focus was always onfield, whilst their Administrators are there for the off-field rules and regulations so unfortunately they believed what they were told.

[85 WAS A GOOD YEAR]

Your point Shoe Boy?

Do you mean Sportingpulse hasn't been in that long? As there was another online website available for checking player records, and this was used.

[spot on]

I have two questions out of all this:-
Why wasn't it picked up after the first final the player was ineligable for?
Who eventually called for the investigation on the matter after the GF?

[vics01]

R10
ITs a FARCE check out M.GALLEY from cove played A grade and juniors on the same day and as far as the league is concerned that is a game in both grades,so to all the clubs out there if you have a gun sit him on the bench in his grade,then play him in the seniors problem solved .

Yes he did play A Grade on the same day he played 16's. He played and participated in both games. not just sat on the bench. Also it was not qualify him as he was never going to qualify in the 16's. His debut in the A grade was well deserved and he had a couple of games with his mates in the 16's.

I don't know what the farce is R10, as long as footy has been played guys have lined and played a couple of games in a day or weekend, happens all the time in C/B/A grade.

[hereforthebeer]

honestly to me this rule seems rediculous, itis basically saying that if you are too good a player for your club ;ie junior playing a or b grade through out the season, then you are not able to play in your age group in finals. I would have thought if you play games for the club in what ever grade as a junior then you should be able to go back and play in your junior grade, for me it is punishing a kid for being too good a footballer, therefore not encouraging kids to be the best they can be.

[85 WAS A GOOD YEAR]

All Leagues have different rules for Junior Grades qualifications. Until the rules change they should be upheld.

Seb Tape permit refused by SANFL to play U18s for Glenelg in rest of finals.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 5929021347

With State committments, a couple of College games - Seb played 5 GFC U18s games, 6 Reserves games and 1 League game

THE SANFL will ''discuss at length'' a rule which prohibits players from returning to their regular grade once promoted within their club, for finals.
State league manager Darren Chandler said changes to the long-standing rule would be considered before the start of next season ."We need to consider the best interests of the player and the competition,'' Chandler said.

It comes after Glenelg youngster Seb Tape was denied the chance to return to the Tigers' under-18s for tomorrow's preliminary final because of making his league debut last weekend. Tape captained SA's under-18 team this year but also played more than five reserves games for Glenelg, meaning he required a permit to play under-18s finals which was granted.

But after being promoted for last weekend's league clash against Norwood, Tape has been banned from returning to the under-18s tomorrow. Glenelg football manager Ken Applegarth said under-age players should be allowed to return during finals.

"It's an elite program, you want the best playing the best on the main showground as far as they can possibly go into finals,'' he said. Sturt football manager Duane Massey agreed.
"You want to give these kids every opportunity to play in front of recruiters so they can try to get onto an AFL list,'' he said.

Port Adelaide coach Tony Bamford was in charge of the club's under-18 team which lost Sam Gray, Scott Lycett and Luke Carey for last year's grand final because they'd played reserves the week before. But he doesn't want sweeping changes to the rule.
"I'm a bit half and half. I can understand clubs want their best players playing, but I still see the 18s as a developing program,'' Bamford said.
"And if they go back to the under-18s, it takes a position away from a developing player.''

[Down the Hill]

OK This is an emotional issue. I can only point out again that since the Valleys incident in 2006 ALL club Secretaries and Delegates have received numerous emails from the League explaining in detail information relating to Junior qualification games for Finals, as well as special rules re Sunday Comp Finals.

At Flagstaff the Junior Director and Coaches are sent copies, and since 2006 have been keeping spreadsheets of matches played, plus checking Sportingpulse records to ensure they match.

In past years we have had numerous U18s play up in the A's, and did our best to make sure they qualified for finals by managing our playing lists accordingly. Yes, sometimes they may only play one or two quarters of 18s before changing to get ready for A's - but they did play in the matches we named them in.

The Finals qualification rule for Juniors is written within the SFL Handbook that is given to EVERY Team Manager, Delegate and Secretary. It is also available online for anyone to view.

Players games records can be checked online easily as well, by anyone who is registered to use Sportingpulse.

Good on Morphett Vale FC people for accepting responsibility for not keeping up with the rules that have been in place since 2006. It really is their mistake in the first place.

I really feel sorry for the MV players, their families, and the Coaches though. As their focus was always onfield, whilst their Administrators are there for the off-field rules and regulations so unfortunately they believed what they were told.

Cove have been awarded the Under 18 flag. I'm not sure if this is the right result based on the ineligible lad playing in 3 games that was responsible for eliminating teams from the Premiership race. I suppose who cares after the event. Its hollow whatever they do.

Can I just correct 85 WAGY yet again about this HV 2006 stuff. HV did not make a mistake in eligibility criteria in 2006. They cheated by putting a lad on 6 team sheets during the season when in fact he only played 1 or 2 games. SANFL records and interchange sheets proved that the lad did not play and in fact couldn't have even been at the ground. The 6 game rule was brought in a few years earlier (it used to be 4 like seniors) and this was because the SANFL BYE made it too easy for some clubs to get a regular SANFL Under 19 or Under 17 player qualified. If the SANFL ever go to 10 or 8 teams the rule should probably be pushed back to 4 games.

[vics01]

DTH
Can I just correct 85 WAGY yet again about this HV 2006 stuff. HV did not make a mistake in eligibility criteria in 2006. They cheated by putting a lad on 6 team sheets during the season when in fact he only played 1 or 2 games. SANFL records and interchange sheets proved that the lad did not play and in fact couldn't have even been at the ground. The 6 game rule was brought in a few years earlier (it used to be 4 like seniors) and this was because the SANFL BYE made it too easy for some clubs to get a regular SANFL Under 19 or Under 17 player qualified. If the SANFL ever go to 10 or 8 teams the rule should probably be pushed back to 4 games.

DTH you forgot to mention College kids and qulaifying with 2 games prior to the SC starting and 2 games during the Holidays. 6 is a good number makes them come back to the club and play a few more games

[jb]

I heard after each medal was given out the coach gave a spill about every player and did mention that the kid had played the entire season in the seniors and was good to have him back for finals. dont qoute me on that but did hear he mentioned that along those lines maybe the SFL clicked after hearing that????

Im not saying it was the coachs fault either.

[spot on]

I heard after each medal was given out the coach gave a spill about every player and did mention that the kid had played the entire season in the seniors and was good to have him back for finals. dont qoute me on that but did hear he mentioned that along those lines maybe the SFL clicked after hearing that????

Im not saying it was the coachs fault either.

I am still curious as to who eventually called for the investigation which resulted in this stripping of the premiership. I wish whoever it was had called for it after the first final, then it would not have had such an impact.

[Archer11]

Good luck to the Association on trying to get the medals back!!

[Mister Footy]

I heard after each medal was given out the coach gave a spill about every player and did mention that the kid had played the entire season in the seniors and was good to have him back for finals. dont qoute me on that but did hear he mentioned that along those lines maybe the SFL clicked after hearing that????

Im not saying it was the coachs fault either.

I am still curious as to who eventually called for the investigation which resulted in this stripping of the premiership. I wish whoever it was had called for it after the first final, then it would not have had such an impact.

would have loved to be a fly on the wall at the SFL when all this was discussed - lots of finger pointing and chest beating i bet....should never have been allowed to get this far

[watcher]

Have just been catching up on the last few pages here. Interesting topic.

Just noting Spot On's query I have a question for DTH.

You seem to know a lot about the stats of the MV players (including naming them on this forum which for under 18's players in these circumstances I personally think is a bit ordinary)?

My question is you didn't by some chance do some investigative work after Brighton lost to MV did you? Or are you just by nature a wealth of information?

[Off The Wall]

You seem to know a lot about the stats of the MV players (including naming them on this forum which for under 18's players in these circumstances I personally think is a bit ordinary)?

Isnt that hard to find out
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info. ... 59&a=STATS