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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Look Good In Leather » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:23 pm

Down the Hill wrote:What happened to the old adage that you only play as well as your opposition lets you. Too many HV posters always put a loss down to we played crap rather than giving credit to the opponent. I hear it far too much around my club. There is a thing called pressure and the mistakes caused by that pressure and also what you do when the opposition has the ball which is normally the difference between winning and losing. If our SFL players were perfect at their so called best, they wouldn't be playing at this level.

On to our game today. Flaggies far too good. Got their match ups right and used the ball far better. Smith kicked the first 4 of the game to ensure they took full toll of first use of the breeze and we were playing catch up thereafter. Most impressed with the FH half back line who had a very good understanding and helped each other out when required. Well done to young Heatley who has made the transition from U18 to Senior footy and looks set to carve out a long career at Flaggies like his old man.

The U18 game highlighted some issues with the ever increasing stretcher and ambulance situations. Reynella 1 point down about 3 or 4 minutes into the last qtr but kicking with a 4 goal breeze. MV player goes down, a stretcher gets called but decision is then made to call for an ambulance. No time off so time elapses whilst Ambulance is entering arena. MV win by a point. Both teams and clubs very dignified in how things were handled and the outcome of the match, but surely there has to be some strategy put in place to deal with this scenario so that a finals match can be played to its rightful end.


Anyone from Morphett Vale know how the young lad is?
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Mister Footy » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:36 am

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Mister Footy wrote:Shoes far too good for the Vikings today - yes we played well below our best but I reckon Noarlunga will make the GF without a doubt. Happy Valley better lift next week or they could be out in straight sets

With due respect MF I think the Shoes deserve a bit more respect than, "we played well below our best" . Vikings were never allowed into the game, they were pressured every time they got the ball and were out numbered at most contests. Based on general play I thought the winning margin would have been greater. Agree the Shoes are GF bound and will take a very good and committed team to beat them.


Sorry for the perceived lack of respect King - unintended. Valley went into the game having played some very good footy and had every reason to think game would be a close contest. That brand of footy wasnt seen on Saturday. Could tell who was going to win by qtr time was just then a matter of scoreline and in the end it probably flattered us. Shoes looked far more impressive than when we played them during season. Would be interesting to compare team lineup and to hear how many points Noarlunga used on the weekend. Their pressure and intensity at contests didnt let up and I cant see them losing another game in 2014.

Take your point DTH that you only play as well as your opposition lets you but the quality of opposition has nothing to do with allowing your man to stand 10m off you when the ball up the other end of the paddock. If you give them a headstart they are always going to get to the ball first. Coach told them several times to be accountable - I reckon the Winefly supporters at Marion could probably hear him - and they were not accountable at all. Just one example but enough said and they will regroup and focus on the semi.

Cant believe the amount of incidents involving stretchers this weekend. The umpires at Noarlunga during the 18s game must be deaf with half the oval having stopped play and hollering to the umpys to hold up the game. Hope all players are ok and can continue their footy this season or next
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby The Poacher » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:46 am

Zelezny Chucks wrote:SANFL Finals - 2 A-Grade games at a world class venue = $15

SFL Finals - 1 A-Grade game at a local venue = $10

If this doesn't outline how out of touch the SFL board are with the quality of the league at the moment I don't know what will.



Marion Football Club had to pay $6,000 gate takings to SFL for hosting Saturdays final. That's 600 people at $10 ahead [price set by SFL]. They paid $650 to have a fence erected on eastern side of ground which was unbolted by one group earlier on in the day as to gain free access, Also later in day, one umpire [and 2 others] were caught seeking into ground and made to pay thier admission [not like he wasn't getting paid to be there that day] that's another 65 people at $10 ahead before we started making a profit on the gate. So any profit has to be made up from BBQ, BAR and CANTEEN that's a lot of hard work, for the club, board and everybody that worked free of charge on the day . P.S. the price was up by $1000 from 2013.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby The Poacher » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:47 am

Zelezny Chucks wrote:SANFL Finals - 2 A-Grade games at a world class venue = $15

SFL Finals - 1 A-Grade game at a local venue = $10

If this doesn't outline how out of touch the SFL board are with the quality of the league at the moment I don't know what will.



Marion Football Club had to pay $6,000 gate takings to SFL for hosting Saturdays final. That's 600 people at $10 ahead [price set by SFL]. They paid $650 to have a fence erected on eastern side of ground which was unbolted by one group earlier on in the day as to gain free access, Also later in day, one umpire [and 2 others] were caught seeking into ground and made to pay thier admission [not like he wasn't getting paid to be there that day] that's another 65 people at $10 ahead before we started making a profit on the gate. So any profit has to be made up from BBQ, BAR and CANTEEN that's a lot of hard work, for the club, board and everybody that worked free of charge on the day . P.S. the price was up by $1000 from 2013.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby afc9798 » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:58 am

King wrote:
Front & Centre wrote:Well what a big weekend it was in football....
Have to agree with MF that HV played below their best - they played loose unaccountable football. Noarlunga looked impressive and committed. Not giving up on Vikings but they would need to bounce back in a big way to beat the emus on the weekend.

Interested to hear more from LGIL regarding the umpire trainers and the stretcher? What happened here? There was a situation in the HV 18s game yesterday where the umpire didn't see our trainer carrying stretcher despite crowd, runner, players, trainers yelling at them and then didn't stop play straight away - dangerous considering ball was very near our injured player.


F & C you must have been watching the game with your mate MF. Vikings didn't play to their best because they were not allowed to. They were smashed across the park by the Shoes. Definition of not playing to your best is when you win by 5 goals but should have won by 20!!!

However totally agree something needs to be done about this no time on rule in finals in all grades below A. Surely there should be an "umpires call" for serious time delays. I'm not talking about out of bounds or normal lost time but when strechers are required or the ball is lost in the creek / street / back paddock, time should be added. Does it matter if the A's start / finish 30 minutes later; it's still light these days!!!



Noarlunga were miles better in every area across the ground and I found it hard to pick any of our guys that won their position on the day. Congrats to the Shoes, simply too good. No time to lick our wounds, just need to get back out there and apply manic pressure which we have been able to do in recent weeks. Not expecting the Emus to offer us any sympathy this week, so we will need a massive lift from all the boys.

The blow was somewhat softened with all other teams getting through with the 14's, 18's and B Grade all through to the Prelim and the 16's progressing to the semi. Another week of finals to enjoy....
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby shoe boy » Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:43 am

Sorry for the perceived lack of respect King - unintended. Valley went into the game having played some very good footy and had every reason to think game would be a close contest. That brand of footy wasnt seen on Saturday. Could tell who was going to win by qtr time was just then a matter of scoreline and in the end it probably flattered us. Shoes looked far more impressive than when we played them during season. Would be interesting to compare team lineup and to hear how many points Noarlunga used on the weekend. Their pressure and intensity at contests didnt let up and I cant see them losing another game in 2014.

Take your point DTH that you only play as well as your opposition lets you but the quality of opposition has nothing to do with allowing your man to stand 10m off you when the ball up the other end of the paddock. If you give them a headstart they are always going to get to the ball first. Coach told them several times to be accountable - I reckon the Winefly supporters at Marion could probably hear him - and they were not accountable at all. Just one example but enough said and they will regroup and focus on the semi.

Cant believe the amount of incidents involving stretchers this weekend. The umpires at Noarlunga during the 18s game must be deaf with half the oval having stopped play and hollering to the umpys to hold up the game. Hope all players are ok and can continue their footy this season or next[/quote]

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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Zelezny Chucks » Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:59 pm

The Poacher wrote:
Zelezny Chucks wrote:SANFL Finals - 2 A-Grade games at a world class venue = $15

SFL Finals - 1 A-Grade game at a local venue = $10

If this doesn't outline how out of touch the SFL board are with the quality of the league at the moment I don't know what will.



Marion Football Club had to pay $6,000 gate takings to SFL for hosting Saturdays final. That's 600 people at $10 ahead [price set by SFL]. They paid $650 to have a fence erected on eastern side of ground which was unbolted by one group earlier on in the day as to gain free access, Also later in day, one umpire [and 2 others] were caught seeking into ground and made to pay thier admission [not like he wasn't getting paid to be there that day] that's another 65 people at $10 ahead before we started making a profit on the gate. So any profit has to be made up from BBQ, BAR and CANTEEN that's a lot of hard work, for the club, board and everybody that worked free of charge on the day . P.S. the price was up by $1000 from 2013.


Gun held to your head to host the day was it? I'm sure the committee did their due diligence to work out whether it was financially rewarding to host it and decided it was. Don't plead hard done by because YOU CHOSE to host a final.

As you said the price is set by the SFL and all the other venues, I'm pretty sure, the gate goes to the Maroon coats. It is not as you say to recoup costs for setting up fencing it is because they are gouging their already angry member clubs of more of their hard earned for sweet FA.

As one poster said $40+ for parents and grandparents to proudly watch their son/grandson play footy is a joke.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Cheese Twisties » Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:55 pm

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Down the Hill wrote:What happened to the old adage that you only play as well as your opposition lets you. Too many HV posters always put a loss down to we played crap rather than giving credit to the opponent. I hear it far too much around my club. There is a thing called pressure and the mistakes caused by that pressure and also what you do when the opposition has the ball which is normally the difference between winning and losing. If our SFL players were perfect at their so called best, they wouldn't be playing at this level.

On to our game today. Flaggies far too good. Got their match ups right and used the ball far better. Smith kicked the first 4 of the game to ensure they took full toll of first use of the breeze and we were playing catch up thereafter. Most impressed with the FH half back line who had a very good understanding and helped each other out when required. Well done to young Heatley who has made the transition from U18 to Senior footy and looks set to carve out a long career at Flaggies like his old man.

The U18 game highlighted some issues with the ever increasing stretcher and ambulance situations. Reynella 1 point down about 3 or 4 minutes into the last qtr but kicking with a 4 goal breeze. MV player goes down, a stretcher gets called but decision is then made to call for an ambulance. No time off so time elapses whilst Ambulance is entering arena. MV win by a point. Both teams and clubs very dignified in how things were handled and the outcome of the match, but surely there has to be some strategy put in place to deal with this scenario so that a finals match can be played to its rightful end.


Anyone from Morphett Vale know how the young lad is?

I read on Facebook that he is ok, got out of hospital around 6:30pm last night.

I also heard the maroon coats charged the ambos $10 each to come in to Porties...
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby spot on » Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:24 pm

Wow, if that is true that the ambos were charged to enter the ground, that would be the most penny pinching exercise I have ever heard of. Runs the risk of the ambos not responding to a call. Think the boys in Maroon need to have a good look in the mirror.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby shoe boy » Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:38 pm

spot on wrote:Wow, if that is true that the ambos were charged to enter the ground, that would be the most penny pinching exercise I have ever heard of. Runs the risk of the ambos not responding to a call. Think the boys in Maroon need to have a good look in the mirror.


There is no way that would of happened!
I know we had an ambulance attend at the Shoe sat with no charge!
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Front & Centre » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:27 pm

King wrote:
Front & Centre wrote:Well what a big weekend it was in football....
Have to agree with MF that HV played below their best - they played loose unaccountable football. Noarlunga looked impressive and committed. Not giving up on Vikings but they would need to bounce back in a big way to beat the emus on the weekend.

Interested to hear more from LGIL regarding the umpire trainers and the stretcher? What happened here? There was a situation in the HV 18s game yesterday where the umpire didn't see our trainer carrying stretcher despite crowd, runner, players, trainers yelling at them and then didn't stop play straight away - dangerous considering ball was very near our injured player.


F & C you must have been watching the game with your mate MF. Vikings didn't play to their best because they were not allowed to. They were smashed across the park by the Shoes. Definition of not playing to your best is when you win by 5 goals but should have won by 20!!!

However totally agree something needs to be done about this no time on rule in finals in all grades below A. Surely there should be an "umpires call" for serious time delays. I'm not talking about out of bounds or normal lost time but when strechers are required or the ball is lost in the creek / street / back paddock, time should be added. Does it matter if the A's start / finish 30 minutes later; it's still light these days!!!


King and Down The Hill - Noarlunga were far too good for Happy Valley on the weekend - pace, skill, height and intensity had us on the back foot. This was not the Happy Valley team I have seen in action over the last couple of months. We looked like we were still playing in the home and away season and Noarlunga had stepped up to finals footy. Some experienced players coming back through the B grade should be cherry ripe to step up and provide cooler heads against Morphett Vale and pressure should be on to earn selection this week not to mention pressure on the coach.

Ambulance being charged to get into ground has to be a complete fabrication.

Stretchers impacting finals games like they did this weekend is unbelievable. I believe Happy Valley asked SFL to look at rules around this a few years back when Squires was sent off in an ambulance just before half time against Lonsdale. Why does SFL not look at playing finals at clubs that can also provide adequate lights for night time footy? If time on was called because of a stretcher/lost ball game could continue without concern it would impact A grade game which could be continued under lights if required. I know Happy Valley are not a preferred club for finals because of lack of fencing but how many other clubs would this rule out that are hosting finals this year?
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Down the Hill » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:05 pm

Guys, I think the charging entry to Ambo's was an April fools joke 5 months late. But there is an issue for ambulance situations in all matches but particularly for finals. Two very wise club delegates attempted to come up with a solution but the SFL was very reluctant to adopt. Yes it was rather complicated for simple minds but better than doing nothing and seeing what happened yesterday, I can now proclaim - I told you so!!!!
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby The Poacher » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:19 pm

Zelezny Chucks wrote:
The Poacher wrote:
Zelezny Chucks wrote:SANFL Finals - 2 A-Grade games at a world class venue = $15

SFL Finals - 1 A-Grade game at a local venue = $10

If this doesn't outline how out of touch the SFL board are with the quality of the league at the moment I don't know what will.



Marion Football Club had to pay $6,000 gate takings to SFL for hosting Saturdays final. That's 600 people at $10 ahead [price set by SFL]. They paid $650 to have a fence erected on eastern side of ground which was unbolted by one group earlier on in the day as to gain free access, Also later in day, one umpire [and 2 others] were caught seeking into ground and made to pay thier admission [not like he wasn't getting paid to be there that day] that's another 65 people at $10 ahead before we started making a profit on the gate. So any profit has to be made up from BBQ, BAR and CANTEEN that's a lot of hard work, for the club, board and everybody that worked free of charge on the day . P.S. the price was up by $1000 from 2013.


Gun held to your head to host the day was it? I'm sure the committee did their due diligence to work out whether it was financially rewarding to host it and decided it was. Don't plead hard done by because YOU CHOSE to host a final.

As you said the price is set by the SFL and all the other venues, I'm pretty sure, the gate goes to the Maroon coats. It is not as you say to recoup costs for setting up fencing it is because they are gouging their already angry member clubs of more of their hard earned for sweet FA.

As one poster said $40+ for parents and grandparents to proudly watch their son/grandson play footy is a joke.



Sorry I have done it again. I came onto this site to try and explain why the price was so high, but as usual posters are taken out of context. Fact $6000 guaranteed gate takings. fact fence cost $650 to hire, fact no guns held to anybodies head, fact $50 is a lot for 5 people to pay to go to an under 14's football game, fact SFL set price and conditions, fact committee did its due diligence, fact I wasn't whinging/ complaining/ bitching/ or any thing else you want to call it, I was trying to explain, and to inform, fact I agree with you GOUGING, and the biggest fact is people like you should actual read and try to digest what people are posting, and stop putting your own slant/bias on everything that people post, and that's THE FACT.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Dutchy » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:16 pm

First issue for the SFL is to stop hosting teams getting a home game final by luck, plenty of clubs will never have the chance of playing a home final, yet Christies, Shoes, Porties are a fair chance very year to play at home at the business end.

Surely it isnt that hard to mix the Sat/Sun games up so this does not occur? Sure it will stuff up the structure a bit but at least it gives the finals some integrity...thoughts?
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Zelezny Chucks » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:59 pm

The Poacher wrote:
Zelezny Chucks wrote:
The Poacher wrote:
Zelezny Chucks wrote:SANFL Finals - 2 A-Grade games at a world class venue = $15

SFL Finals - 1 A-Grade game at a local venue = $10

If this doesn't outline how out of touch the SFL board are with the quality of the league at the moment I don't know what will.



Marion Football Club had to pay $6,000 gate takings to SFL for hosting Saturdays final. That's 600 people at $10 ahead [price set by SFL]. They paid $650 to have a fence erected on eastern side of ground which was unbolted by one group earlier on in the day as to gain free access, Also later in day, one umpire [and 2 others] were caught seeking into ground and made to pay thier admission [not like he wasn't getting paid to be there that day] that's another 65 people at $10 ahead before we started making a profit on the gate. So any profit has to be made up from BBQ, BAR and CANTEEN that's a lot of hard work, for the club, board and everybody that worked free of charge on the day . P.S. the price was up by $1000 from 2013.


Gun held to your head to host the day was it? I'm sure the committee did their due diligence to work out whether it was financially rewarding to host it and decided it was. Don't plead hard done by because YOU CHOSE to host a final.

As you said the price is set by the SFL and all the other venues, I'm pretty sure, the gate goes to the Maroon coats. It is not as you say to recoup costs for setting up fencing it is because they are gouging their already angry member clubs of more of their hard earned for sweet FA.

As one poster said $40+ for parents and grandparents to proudly watch their son/grandson play footy is a joke.



Sorry I have done it again. I came onto this site to try and explain why the price was so high, but as usual posters are taken out of context. Fact $6000 guaranteed gate takings. fact fence cost $650 to hire, fact no guns held to anybodies head, fact $50 is a lot for 5 people to pay to go to an under 14's football game, fact SFL set price and conditions, fact committee did its due diligence, fact I wasn't whinging/ complaining/ bitching/ or any thing else you want to call it, I was trying to explain, and to inform, fact I agree with you GOUGING, and the biggest fact is people like you should actual read and try to digest what people are posting, and stop putting your own slant/bias on everything that people post, and that's THE FACT.


FACT - that doesn't explain why the price is so high, as I stated the price was the same at every other venue who didn't have to pay the $6k and additional costs to host.

I read what you posted, which I might add had very tenuous links to what I was posting about e.g. the SFL setting the price too high, and you felt the need to explain the costs of one club that chose to host a final and had to fork out for the privilege.

In regards to "people like me" not putting their own slant/bias on things that people post. Haven't you done exactly that by mentioning your club when nothing was mentioned about it?

As for your context if you weren't defending Marion for having the price at something that was out of their control, and therefore didn't need defending, I am not sure what the **** you were babbling on about.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Zelezny Chucks » Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:02 pm

Dutchy wrote:First issue for the SFL is to stop hosting teams getting a home game final by luck, plenty of clubs will never have the chance of playing a home final, yet Christies, Shoes, Porties are a fair chance very year to play at home at the business end.

Surely it isnt that hard to mix the Sat/Sun games up so this does not occur? Sure it will stuff up the structure a bit but at least it gives the finals some integrity...thoughts?


Agreed, wouldn't have been too hard to change the 1 v 4 Quallie to Marion when they realised Noarlunga were going to finish top.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Down the Hill » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:20 am

By finishing minor premier I suppose they could have earnt the right to the home ground advantage, however probably not fair if they finished 4th and still get a home final. But the problem is people, that with a final 8 and our Saturday/Sunday structure of playing finals, there is a certain pathway that one gets to take them through the 4 weeks and if you start tinkering with switching venues and days then it not fair on people having to wait until Monday to determine if they are going to be playing on a Saturday or Sunday the following week. People are still entitled to make plans around AFL finals etc.

I think the equivalent final for for each grade should still align for all games at a given venue but the host clubs for each week of finals should be flexible as to what day of the weekend they host, so to avoid the A grade final being at the venue of the home team. But I also don't think its fair to host a final when your A grade is playing elsewhere on the same day (which can only happen week 1) so maybe Bice should have hosted the 1 v 4 finals on Saturday and Noarlunga hosted the 6 v 7 finals on Sunday. This could have all been switched first thing Sunday morning last week and if clubs bid to host finals with this knowledge then it is something they can plan for.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby shoe boy » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:01 am

At the end of the day finals should be played at the best ovals that can accommodate and cater ALL DAY and supply an atmosphere for all to enjoy.

Lets be honest if your good enough you don't care if you play on the moon. ;)
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby afc9798 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:36 am

shoe boy wrote:At the end of the day finals should be played at the best ovals that can accommodate and cater ALL DAY and supply an atmosphere for all to enjoy.

Lets be honest if your good enough you don't care if you play on the moon. ;)


Agree. Regardless of the venue, it was always going to be an away final for us. It's one of the anomalies of the SFL, and all clubs are well versed in the requirements come finals time, so it's really a non-issue to me. From a fixturing point of view, the first week is a bit of a nightmare to schedule, so I don't criticise the poor blokes who have to do all that work only to cop criticism every year. There's no perfect solution and even if we went to home ground advantage/home finals, there would still be massive fixturing issues for all the other grades (unless you restricted that to A grade only, but that's another compromise).

I think we can all learn from some of the junior teams who couldn't give a rats if they wear white shorts and use an unfamiliar change room, they're just happy to play finals footy regardless. If you're good enough, you get the job done and hopefully move to a truly neutral venue at Hickinbotham for the main event.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Keyser Soze » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:32 pm

Apparently Crate has been told win a final next year or see ya later. Spent big $ on recruits this year and didnt get any closer. Got some juniors coming thru so interesting to see which direction they head.
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