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Postby Hills » Wed May 09, 2007 4:56 pm

[quote="THE MOLE"]Cove, Gill, Vick, Ramsey, Valley, Mahar, Mckenzie, Reynella, Mckeough, Prescott, Brighton, Tucker Johnston......... half the morphies side........[/quote]

what about Manhood from porties or Harris from Lonsdale??

Bachmann from christies?

Reavills from cove?

A top 5 couldnt be picked i dont reckon.
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Postby The Lova » Wed May 09, 2007 5:06 pm

THE MOLE wrote:Cove, Gill, Vick, Ramsey, Valley, Mahar, Mckenzie, Reynella, Mckeough, Prescott, Brighton, Tucker Johnston......... half the morphies side........


I agree with most of these the mole. not sure on prescott. hes a bit suspect for mine. would say bradshaw is more valuable for reynella.
Its interesting you write half of the morphies side. that mite be beeching's downside. He would be without a doubt the MVP in everyother team and most definately still a valuable cog in the morphy machine. but they are pretty evenly spread. I would say in 2004 /2005 he was hands down morphie MVP. (e wouldn't have won as many games without him)
but morphies would have the most depth in the SFL by far therefor valuable player become less valuable as teh depth can cover them.
In regards to turning a game I would have him in my top 5.
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Postby The Mexican » Wed May 09, 2007 5:07 pm

THE MOLE wrote:Cove, Gill, Vick, Ramsey, Valley, Mahar, Mckenzie, Reynella, Mckeough, Prescott, Brighton, Tucker Johnston......... half the morphies side........


No need to apologise MOLE, we're all here having our say, just thought it would be an intersting topic which the Lova obviously thinks so, having said that apology accepted.

Prescott.... You have to be kidding, that guy hasn't played a good game of footy against quality opposition in years, his grand final effort for a captain was let me just say, well below par, i don't want to bag him too much...
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Postby BJ Ernest » Wed May 09, 2007 5:08 pm

i think height is the big factor why beeching would be so important. really good big men are hard to find and because he can play in ruck, CHF or FF and acquit himself very well at all of them makes him one of if not the most important players in the league.
smaller guys are a bit easier to cover. that said someone like earl or ritter when firing would be as damaging as beeching
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Postby Hotdogs » Wed May 09, 2007 5:11 pm

Its Franky here - I honestly DO NOT rate Beeching in the top 10 players in the league.......I think there are a number of players ahead of him...although I admit he is a very good player at SFL level....

I too have played with players who may have played league footy - Mark Jolly for instance - and yes one thing or another either stops them or there a a great number of guys who are either similar and work harder or guys who want it more.

Truth is he is not rated that high at south......Fact....
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Postby Swooper16 » Wed May 09, 2007 5:15 pm

Mckenzie, Vick or Milo would be the only other 3 i would say who have as much impact on their team. Havent seen Reavill so cant comment. Also ian Brown from porties has been in their best 2 each game so far so maybe one to look out for.

I think if you were to ask any morphies player tho who their most valuable player is they would unanimously agree on Beeching. Thats not a bad rap for a team gunning for its 4th Prem.
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Postby BJ Ernest » Wed May 09, 2007 5:16 pm

hotdogs i think he was rated highly but when he did his knee and didnt stick it out, do the rehab and come back the next year for another go there rating drops.
he was playing in a league trial if i remember correctly, and was playing reasonably aswell.
id like to know who you think is in the top 10 if beeching isnt.
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Postby The Lova » Wed May 09, 2007 5:18 pm

BJ Ernest wrote:i think height is the big factor why beeching would be so important. really good big men are hard to find and because he can play in ruck, CHF or FF and acquit himself very well at all of them makes him one of if not the most important players in the league.
smaller guys are a bit easier to cover. that said someone like earl or ritter when firing would be as damaging as beeching


Very true BJ good big men a hard to come by. The same could also be said down back for morphies there skipper, not sure if hes skipper this year, Gaskin is a great big man down back and can without a doubt hold any key forward in the league. Look at what he did to draper in the 2004 GF.
Sometimes big men that are great key defenders are even more hard to come by. just a thought. Most MVP's are usually onballers and key forwards but stopping them is just as important. Have a think and there isn't to many big name key defenders that would be in a clubs top 5 MVP's. Thoughts????
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Postby Swooper16 » Wed May 09, 2007 5:20 pm

Tedmanson from Porties when he was there playing at FB. Used to have Pollards no.
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Postby SFL SPY » Wed May 09, 2007 5:35 pm

not sure how all this talk about beeching started but he's not worth the air I breath, he is a skirt who couldn't get a kick in a street fight, I've seen the pussy run like a little girl as soon as he is challenged or some some stands up to him, the only thing you can give him credit for is being the biggest soft cock that hits blokes behind the play.
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Postby THE MOLE » Wed May 09, 2007 5:37 pm

SFL SPY wrote:not sure how all this talk about beeching started but he's not worth the air I breath, he is a skirt who couldn't get a kick in a street fight, I've seen the pussy run like a little girl as soon as he is challenged or some some stands up to him, the only thing you can give him credit for is being the biggest soft cock that hits blokes behind the play.


Bit harsh, i think he is a top bloke, which in my book is worth lots of credit!!!
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Postby Waterboy » Wed May 09, 2007 5:47 pm

Swooper16 wrote:I think the majority of the clubs top 3 players have all at some stage been in the same situation and decided that for whatever reason the reward of playing reserves footy is not worth the effort. If your honest i dont think there are many people who would be committed enough to footy to want to train 6-7 times a week 10 months of the year.

For the record Cheech, Beeching has played a few reserves games and from all reports would easily been playing league had he not done his knee. If anyone was at the SFL association game a couple of years ago you would of seen what he is capable of.


Not just at association game level. At the state country championships a couple of years ago he was easily the standout forward until he was injured.
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Postby The Lova » Wed May 09, 2007 5:54 pm

Swooper16 wrote:Tedmanson from Porties when he was there playing at FB. Used to have Pollards no.


You sure you got the correct info swooper. didn't he kick 90 odd goals last year. I thought he was a forward not a defender???
Oh well If he held pollard he must have been a good defender when he played down back.
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Postby The Mexican » Wed May 09, 2007 6:05 pm

Hotdogs wrote:Its Franky here - I honestly DO NOT rate Beeching in the top 10 players in the league.......I think there are a number of players ahead of him...although I admit he is a very good player at SFL level....

I too have played with players who may have played league footy - Mark Jolly for instance - and yes one thing or another either stops them or there a a great number of guys who are either similar and work harder or guys who want it more.

Truth is he is not rated that high at south......Fact....


Perhaps your source is not that good at south then... I have only heard it from the league coach, reserves coach and league captain...FACT. Perhaps i should be speaking to someone else down at south then "FRANKY"... Your source must be the one who decides whether a player would play league football or not... Not sure what his title would be though...?? The SFL coaches would vote Beeching inside the top 10 without doubt...
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Postby Waterboy » Wed May 09, 2007 6:05 pm

The Lova wrote:
Swooper16 wrote:Tedmanson from Porties when he was there playing at FB. Used to have Pollards no.


You sure you got the correct info swooper. didn't he kick 90 odd goals last year. I thought he was a forward not a defender???
Oh well If he held pollard he must have been a good defender when he played down back.


Tedmanson made the switch to forward pretty well, but before that he was one of the best full backs in the league. Played in state country championship team a couple of years ago and held most full forwards well. Only exception would have been Johncock from Western zone.
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Postby mrf » Wed May 09, 2007 6:14 pm

New to this league what about some of the better players from the bottom and middle run sides?
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Postby The Mexican » Wed May 09, 2007 6:15 pm

SFL SPY wrote:not sure how all this talk about beeching started but he's not worth the air I breath, he is a skirt who couldn't get a kick in a street fight, I've seen the pussy run like a little girl as soon as he is challenged or some some stands up to him, the only thing you can give him credit for is being the biggest soft cock that hits blokes behind the play.


Thought you had some constructive things to say earlier "SPYMAN", thanks for showing your true colours. Everything you say above is absolute cr@p. I'll put you in the same category as "FRANKY".
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Postby Hotdogs » Wed May 09, 2007 6:22 pm

The Mexican wrote:
SFL SPY wrote:not sure how all this talk about beeching started but he's not worth the air I breath, he is a skirt who couldn't get a kick in a street fight, I've seen the pussy run like a little girl as soon as he is challenged or some some stands up to him, the only thing you can give him credit for is being the biggest soft cock that hits blokes behind the play.


Thought you had some constructive things to say earlier "SPYMAN", thanks for showing your true colours. Everything you say above is absolute cr@p. I'll put you in the same category as "FRANKY".


You are such a mess Mexican....your view and no-one elses....Fact is he (Beeching) did not have the committment for league level, notwithstanding the injury (which guess what HAPPENS in footy but you come back)......
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Postby Saints 07 » Wed May 09, 2007 7:04 pm

Sometimes big men that are great key defenders are even more hard to come by. just a thought. Most MVP's are usually onballers and key forwards but stopping them is just as important. Have a think and there isn't to many big name key defenders that would be in a clubs top 5 MVP's. Thoughts????[/quote]
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Postby Backhand Panther » Wed May 09, 2007 7:21 pm

[quote="The Mexican"][quote="THE MOLE"]Cove, Gill, Vick, Ramsey, Valley, Mahar, Mckenzie, Reynella, Mckeough, Prescott, Brighton, Tucker Johnston......... half the morphies side........[/quote]

No need to apologise MOLE, we're all here having our say, just thought it would be an intersting topic which the Lova obviously thinks so, having said that apology accepted.

Prescott.... You have to be kidding, that guy hasn't played a good game of footy against quality opposition in years, his grand final effort for a captain was let me just say, well below par, i don't want to bag him too much...[/quote]

Obviously u dont rate Happy Valley as quality opposition cos Prescott tore them apart on the weekend
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