South American Footbal Season 2010/11

[johntheclaret]

Whilst there might be a trace of interest left from the WC, i thought we could have a South American thread.

[johntheclaret]

The Brazilian league was suspended whislt they all went off to play in Sth Africe.

Results Jul
Palmeiras 2 1 Santos
Atletico MG 3 2 Atlético Goianiense
Fluminense 1 1 Barueri
Goias 0 0 Vasco Da Gama
Flamengo 1 0 Botafogo RJ
Ceará 0 0 Corinthians
Atletico PR 0 2 Cruzeiro
Sao Paulo 1 2 Avaí
Guarani 0 3 Internacional
Gremio 1 1 Vitoria

Table

Pos Team ......Pld W D L... F A Diff Pts
1 Corinthians 8 5 3 0 15 8 7 18
2 Ceará 8 5 3 0 7 1 6 18
3 Fluminense 8 5 1 2 12 6 6 16
4 Santos 8 3 3 2 16 12 4 12
5 Cruzeiro 8 3 3 2 10 8 2 12
6 Flamengo 8 3 3 2 10 8 2 12
7 Palmeiras 8 3 3 2 8 6 2 12
8 Guarani 8 3 3 2 8 10 -2 12
9 Sao Paulo 8 3 2 3 10 8 2 11
10 Avaí 8 3 2 3 12 12 0 11
11 Goias 8 3 2 3 9 10 -1 11
12 Internacional 8 3 1 4 14 13 1 10
13 Atletico MG 8 3 0 5 13 18 -5 9
14 Botafogo RJ 8 2 3 3 13 12 1 9
15 Gremio 8 2 3 3 11 12 -1 9
16 Vitoria 8 2 3 3 8 9 -1 9
17 Barueri 8 2 3 3 10 13 -3 9
18 Atletico PR 8 2 1 5 10 17 -7 7
19 Vasco Da Gama 8 1 3 4 5 12 -7 6
20 Atlético Goianiense 8 1 1 6 7 13 -6 4

[johntheclaret]

Argentina Premiera League is on their closed season, but just looking at the list of clubs you can see the influence the English miners had. the first league was made up of English miners and I think they also represented Argentina in the 1st WC.

Primera Division
Argentinos Jrs.
Arsenal(SAm)
Atlético Tucumán
Banfield
Boca Juniors
Chacarita Junior
Colon
Estudiantes
Gimna ' Plata
Godoy Cruz Antonio Tomba
Huracán
Independiente
Lanus
Newells Old Boys
Racing Club
River Plate
Rosario Central
San Lorenzo
Tigre
Velez Sarsfield

[devilsadvocate]

JTC, how would you rate the Brazillian and Argie Leagues with some of the European leagues?

[johntheclaret]

JTC, how would you rate the Brazillian and Argie Leagues with some of the European leagues?

Not really sure DA. If you look at the performance from Man U a few years back when they played there in the world club champoinship, they were torn apart. I guess you would have to ask how many Brazillian and Argie stars play in Europe now and how much that degrades the local comps.

[devilsadvocate]

JTC, how would you rate the Brazillian and Argie Leagues with some of the European leagues?

Not really sure DA. If you look at the performance from Man U a few years back when they played there in the world club champoinship, they were torn apart. I guess you would have to ask how many Brazillian and Argie stars play in Europe now and how much that degrades the local comps.

It's one of those things that we'll never really know unless there's an extended champions league type comp involving those countries. It would actually be awesome to see a comp like that every 4 years.

Both Brazil and the Argies did have a few players in their WC squads from local leagues, as did URGay.

[johntheclaret]

Brazilian League. Weekend 17th Jul

Avaí 4 2 Palmeiras
Barueri 2 0 Gremio
Corinthians 1 0 Atletico MG
Atlético Goianiense 0 1 Flamengo
Santos 0 1 Fluminense
Cruzeiro 1 0 Goias
Botafogo RJ 1 1 Guarani
Internacional 2 1 Ceará
Vasco Da Gama 3 1 Atletico PR
Vitoria 3 2 Sao Paulo

[johntheclaret]

A few background stats fro the brazilian league. how many do you recognise from the WC ?

TOP SCORERS 2010
Roger 6
André 5
Alan 4
Bruno César 4
Diego Tardelli 4
Fred 4
Germán Herrera 4
Hugo 4
Muriqui 4
Ricardinho 4

Top 10 - Midfielders
Hugo 4
Ricardinho 4
Andrezinho 3
Lúcio Flávio 3
Paulo Baier 3
Bernardo 2
Caio 2
Elias 2
Giuliano 2
Lincoln 2

Top 10 - Defenders
Antônio Carlos 3
Émerson 3
Diego 2
Wagner Diniz 2
Chicão 1
Ernani 1
Gil 1
Gum 1
Jonas 1
Juan 1

[johntheclaret]

The Brazilian CAMPEONATO BRASILEIRO League

22nd Jul
Atletico PR 2 0 Santos
Gremio 1 1 Vasco Da Gama
Palmeiras 2 2 Botafogo RJ
Atlético Goianiense 3 1 Corinthians
Fluminense 1 0 Cruzeiro
Vitoria 2 2 Goias
Atletico MG 1 2 Internacional
Flamengo 1 1 Avaí
Sao Paulo 1 1 Barueri
Guarani 1 1 Ceará

18th Jul
Internacional 2 1 Ceará
Botafogo RJ 1 1 Guarani
Atlético Goianiense 0 1 Flamengo
Santos 0 1 Fluminense
Cruzeiro 1 0 Goias
Corinthians 1 0 Atletico MG
Barueri 2 0 Gremio
Avaí 4 2 Palmeiras

Pos Team...... Pld W D. L... F A Diff Pts
1 Fluminense 10 7 1 2 14 6 8 22
2 Corinthians 10 6 3 1 17 11 6 21
3 Ceará 10 5 4 1 9 4 5 19
4 Internacional 10 5 1 4 18 15 3 16
5 Flamengo 10 4 4 2 12 9 3 16
6 Avaí 10 4 3 3 17 15 2 15
7 Cruzeiro 10 4 3 3 11 9 2 15
8 Guarani 10 3 5 2 10 12 -2 14
9 Vitoria 10 3 4 3 13 13 0 13
10 Palmeiras 10 3 4 3 12 12 0 13
11 Barueri 10 3 4 3 13 14 -1 13
12 Santos 10 3 3 4 16 15 1 12
13 Sao Paulo 10 3 3 4 13 12 1 12
14 Goias 10 3 3 4 11 13 -2 12
15 Botafogo RJ 10 2 5 3 16 15 1 11
16 Atletico PR 10 3 1 6 13 20 -7 10
17 Gremio 10 2 4 4 12 15 -3 10
18 Vasco Da Gama 10 2 4 4 9 14 -5 10
19 Atletico MG 10 3 0 7 14 21 -7 9
20 Atlético Goianiense 10 2 1 7 10 15 -5 7

[johntheclaret]

I heard this story on the news earlier this week. It epitomises everything about South American hot bloooded footballers

Player in choking incident gets 27-game ban from Chilean football authorities

SANTIAGO, Chile - Paraguay soccer player Jose Pedroso has been handed a 27-game ban for attempting to choke a referee during a Chilean second-division match on the weekend.

The governing body of Chile's professional league handed down the penalty late Tuesday. It said the defender was banned 20 games for attempting to choke referee Marcelo Miranda, five more for trying a second time to attack Miranda, and two more for the red card Pedroso received just moments before the incident.

Pedroso resigned from the Rangers club after the match on Saturday and said he was returning to Paraguay. Concepcion defeated Rangers 3-0 in the match.
"The player must comply with this if he is playing in Chile and, if not, the Chilean federation will pass on notice of the ban to any other federation where the player might play," federation spokesman Angel Botto said.

The incident involving Pedroso and Miranda was posted on YouTube. It took place shortly after Miranda allowed Concepcion to take a penalty kick four times, waving off attempts because of infractions. Concepcion converted the first, missed the next two and converted the fourth.

Pedroso charged at Miranda later in the match after the referee showed him a second yellow card for a violent tackle. As Miranda approached to show the card, Pedroso slipped behind him and grabbed the referee around the neck. After releasing him, he chased after Miranda and was wrestled to the ground by teammates.

"I'm not the least bit sorry," Pedroso was quoted saying in the Chilean newspaper La Tercera.

Miranda did not file charges.

What is comical (i know it isn't funny) is that he got 20 games for the first attack, then another 5 games for the 2nd attack and finally 2 games for the red card

Apparently the same ref has sent off the same player 3 times already

[johntheclaret]

CAMPEONATO BRASILEIRO

Sun 25th Jul
Ceará 0 0 Palmeiras
Santos 1 0 Sao Paulo
Cruzeiro 2 2 Gremio
Goias 0 2 Atletico PR
Internacional 1 0 Flamengo
Botafogo RJ 1 1 Fluminense
Corinthians 3 1 Guarani
Sat 24th Jul
Barueri 0 0 Vitoria
Vasco Da Gama 2 0 Atlético Goianiense
Avaí 0 0 Atletico MG

Pos Team....... Pld W D. L.. F.. A Diff Pts
1 Corinthians 11 7 3 1 20 12 8 24
2 Fluminense 11 7 2 2 15 7 8 23
3 Ceará 11 5 5 1 9 4 5 20
4 Internacional 11 6 1 4 19 15 4 19
5 Avaí 11 4 4 3 17 15 2 16
6 Cruzeiro 11 4 4 3 13 11 2 16
7 Flamengo 11 4 4 3 12 10 2 16
8 Santos 11 4 3 4 17 15 2 15
9 Vitoria 11 3 5 3 13 13 0 14
10 Palmeiras 11 3 5 3 12 12 0 14
11 Barueri 11 3 5 3 13 14 -1 14
12 Guarani 11 3 5 3 11 15 -4 14
13 Atletico PR 11 4 1 6 15 20 -5 13
14 Vasco Da Gama 11 3 4 4 11 14 -3 13
15 Sao Paulo 11 3 3 5 13 13 0 12
16 Goias 11 3 3 5 11 15 -4 12
17 Botafogo RJ 11 2 6 3 17 16 1 12
18 Gremio 11 2 5 4 14 17 -3 11
19 Atletico MG 11 3 1 7 14 21 -7 10
20 Atlético Goianiense 11 2 1 8 10 17 -7 7

[johntheclaret]

Mexican PRIMERA DIVISIÓN

Sun 25th Jul
Pachuca 3 0 América
Monarcas Morelia 1 0 Atlas
Pumas UNAM 2 1 Toluca
Atlante 1 4 Santos Laguna
San Luis 1 1 Monterrey
Chivas del Guadalajara 0 0 Puebla
Tigres 0 1 Gallos Blancos Querétaro
Sat 24th Jul
Jaguares de Chiapas 1 1 Necaxa
Tecos 0 3 Cruz Azul

[johntheclaret]

Maradona ready to sign new deal

Argentina coach Diego Maradona is keen to sign a new contract — so long as he is allowed to retain his entire backroom staff. The 49-year-old will today hold talks with Argentinian Football Association president Julio Grondona, who wants the 1986 World Cup winner to pen a new four-year deal.

“I really want to stay, but it depends on Grondona,” Maradona told El Show del Futbol on America TV last night after returning to Buenos Aires following a trip to Venezuela to visit president Hugo Chavez.
“If they touch a hair of one of my guys, even if the masseur or the kitman, I’m going. I want to continue the adventure but not with (just) anyone. I chose these people. I want to continue working with them.”

One of Maradona’s assistants, former Argentina defender Oscar Ruggeri has been criticised by Grondona in the wake of the team’s World Cup exit.
“I already asked and I will continue to ask that Ruggeri joins me,” he added. “It’s a constant struggle. This is the first thing I will discuss with Grondona.”

Argentina struggled to qualify for South Africa after Maradona took over from previous coach Alfio Basile and their campaign came to an end with a 4-0 defeat to Germany in the last eight. Nevertheless, Grondona believes Maradona has been successful so far in difficult circumstances.

He told Radio Mitre last week: “He took over at a very difficult moment and he qualified, which is important. And he finished fifth, better than in other World Cups — all of that should be valued.
“It seems to me to be only correct that he stay on. I don’t see why not.”
However, he added of Ruggeri: “His name was put forward by me, but we had lots of problems. And I’ll tell you something you may find funny — he was the defensive coach.”

[johntheclaret]

ROBINHO EYES SANTOS STAY

Manchester City's record signing Robinho hopes to extend his stay with Santos.
The World Cup star has been on loan at the club where he began his career since January but is due back at Eastlands next month.

Robinho played in the first leg of the Copa do Brasil final on Wednesday and will in theory be back in England after playing next week's second leg and an international friendly on August 10.
But the player is quoted in the Daily Mail as saying: "This is my home. I hope I can stay, but it depends on Manchester City. I hope this is not my last game here but, for now, what I have been told is that they [the negotiations] are on a standstill and that I have to go back to Manchester."

[johntheclaret]

With the new 25 man ruling and city active in the transfer markets, I really can't see Robinho returning to City.

[johntheclaret]

Argentinian PRIMERA DIVISIÓN

27th Aug
Huracán 1 1 Newells Old Boys
22nd Aug
Arsenal(SAm) 2 0 Huracán
River Plate 3 2 Independiente
All Boys 2 0 Boca Juniors
Gimna ' Plata 0 0 Colon
21st Aug
Banfield 0 0 Estudiantes
Velez Sarsfield 2 0 Argentinos Jrs.
Quilmes 1 1 Lanus
Racing Club 1 2 San Lorenzo
Godoy Cruz Antonio Tomba 1 0 Olimpo
20th Aug
Newells Old Boys 2 0 Tigre
16th Aug
Independiente 1 1 Argentinos Jrs.
15th Aug
Olimpo 1 0 Gimna ' Plata
Estudiantes 2 0 Quilmes
Huracán 0 1 River Plate
All Boys 1 2 Velez Sarsfield
14th Aug
Colon 0 1 Banfield
Tigre 1 2 Arsenal(SAm)
San Lorenzo 2 2 Godoy Cruz Antonio Tomba
Lanus 1 1 Newells Old Boys
Boca Juniors 1 2 Racing Club
8th Aug
Velez Sarsfield 1 0 Independiente
Godoy Cruz Antonio Tomba 1 1 Boca Juniors
Banfield 2 1 Olimpo
Gimna ' Plata 0 0 San Lorenzo
River Plate 1 0 Tigre
7th Aug
Racing Club 1 0 All Boys
Argentinos Jrs. 1 2 Huracán
Quilmes 1 1 Colon
Newells Old Boys 0 1 Estudiantes
Arsenal(SAm) 1 2 Lanus

Pos Team Pld W D L F A Diff Pts
1 Velez Sarsfield 3 3 0 0 5 1 4 9
2 River Plate 3 3 0 0 5 2 3 9
3 Estudiantes 3 2 1 0 3 0 3 7
4 Banfield 3 2 1 0 3 1 2 7
5 Arsenal(SAm) 3 2 0 1 5 3 2 6
6 Racing Club 3 2 0 1 4 3 1 6
7 Godoy Cruz Antonio Tomba 3 1 2 0 4 3 1 5
8 Lanus 3 1 2 0 4 3 1 5
9 Newells Old Boys 4 1 2 1 4 3 1 5
10 San Lorenzo 3 1 2 0 4 3 1 5
11 Huracán 4 1 1 2 3 5 -2 4
12 All Boys 3 1 0 2 3 3 0 3
13 Olimpo 3 1 0 2 2 3 -1 3
14 Colon 3 0 2 1 1 2 -1 2
15 Gimna ' Plata 3 0 2 1 0 1 -1 2
16 Quilmes 3 0 2 1 2 4 -2 2
17 Independiente 3 0 1 2 3 5 -2 1
18 Argentinos Jrs. 3 0 1 2 2 5 -3 1
19 Boca Juniors 3 0 1 2 2 5 -3 1
20 Tigre 3 0 0 3 1 5 -4 0

[devilsadvocate]

I missed this thread till now. That chocking story is hilarious!!! Bloody refs. I would have choked howard 'i let fergie do me in the bum' Webb if I had the chance!!

Good to see internacionale win the cope libertadores with soured new signing sandro. He's now in England and will hopefully make his debut next week some time.

[johntheclaret]

Brazilian CAMPEONATO BRASILEIRO

2th Aug
Palmeiras 0 3 Atlético Goianiense
Vitoria 1 1 Guarani
Flamengo 0 0 Atletico MG
26th Aug
Gremio 1 2 Santos
Cruzeiro 1 0 Corinthians
Sao Paulo 0 0 Vasco Da Gama
Barueri 0 1 Atletico PR
25th Aug
Botafogo RJ 1 0 Ceará
Avaí 0 1 Internacional
Goias 0 3 Fluminense
22nd Aug
Cruzeiro 0 1 Vitoria
Corinthians 3 0 Sao Paulo
Vasco Da Gama 2 2 Fluminense
Internacional 1 1 Atlético Goianiense
Atletico PR 1 0 Flamengo
Guarani 0 0 Palmeiras
Santos 2 0 Atletico MG
21st Aug
Ceará 2 1 Gremio
Goias 1 2 Barueri
Botafogo RJ 1 0 Avaí
15th Aug
Sao Paulo 2 2 Cruzeiro
Barueri 1 2 Vasco Da Gama
Avaí 3 2 Corinthians
Fluminense 3 0 Internacional
Vitoria 4 2 Santos
Gremio 2 0 Goias
14th Aug
Atletico MG 3 1 Guarani
Palmeiras 2 0 Atletico PR
Atlético Goianiense 0 2 Botafogo RJ
Flamengo 1 0 Ceará
8th Aug
Cruzeiro 0 0 Barueri
Vasco Da Gama 1 0 Vitoria
Gremio 1 2 Fluminense
Ceará 0 0 Atlético Goianiense
Atletico PR 1 1 Sao Paulo
Corinthians 1 0 Flamengo
Goias 1 1 Palmeiras
7th Aug
Botafogo RJ 3 0 Atletico MG
Guarani 4 1 Avaí
1st Aug
Barueri 1 2 Santos
Palmeiras 1 1 Corinthians
Vitoria 1 3 Botafogo RJ
Avaí 4 1 Goias
Atletico MG 0 1 Cruzeiro
Internacional 0 0 Gremio
Flamengo 0 0 Vasco Da Gama

Pos Team Pld W D L F A Diff Pts
1 Fluminense 16 11 3 2 28 11 17 36
2 Corinthians 16 9 4 3 27 17 10 31
3 Botafogo RJ 16 7 6 3 27 17 10 27
4 Santos 15 7 3 5 25 21 4 24
5 Internacional 15 7 3 5 21 19 2 24
6 Cruzeiro 16 6 6 4 17 14 3 24
7 Ceará 16 6 6 4 12 9 3 24
8 Avaí 16 6 4 6 25 24 1 22
9 Vasco Da Gama 16 5 7 4 16 17 -1 22
10 Flamengo 16 5 6 5 13 12 1 21
11 Vitoria 16 5 6 5 20 20 0 21
12 Atletico PR 16 6 2 8 19 26 -7 20
13 Palmeiras 16 4 8 4 16 17 -1 20
14 Guarani 16 4 8 4 18 21 -3 20
15 Sao Paulo 16 4 6 6 18 20 -2 18
16 Barueri 16 4 6 6 17 20 -3 18
17 Gremio 16 3 6 7 19 23 -4 15
18 Atletico MG 16 4 2 10 17 28 -11 14
19 Atlético Goianiense 16 3 4 9 15 21 -6 13
20 Goias 16 3 4 9 14 27 -13 13

TOP SCORERS 2010

Top 10
Bruno César 8
Diego Tardelli 6
Roger 6
Schwenck 6
Wellington Paulista 6
Alecsandro 5
André 5
Ewerthon 5
Germán Herrera 5
Jonas 5

Top 10 - Forwards
Bruno César 8
Diego Tardelli 6
Roger 6
Schwenck 6
Wellington Paulista 6
Alecsandro 5
André 5
Éwerthon 5
Germán Herrera 5
Jonas 5

Top 10 - Midfielders
Caio 4
Hugo 4
Ricardinho 4
Róbson 4
Andrezinho 3
Bernardo 3
Davi 3
Lúcio Flávio 3
Nílton 3
Paulo Baier 3

Top 10 - Defenders
Antônio Carlos 4
Émerson 4
Diego 2
Leandro Euzébio 2
Manoel 2
Mariano 2
Wagner Diniz 2
Wallace 2
Ânderson Luis 1
Bruno Costa 1

[johntheclaret]

Mexican PRIMERA DIVISIÓN

28th Aug
Tecos 1 1 Monarcas Morelia
22nd Aug
Gallos Blancos Querétaro 0 1 América
Pumas UNAM 4 1 Puebla
Monarcas Morelia 1 0 Necaxa
Atlante 2 1 Chivas del Guadalajara
Atlas 0 1 Toluca
Pachuca 2 2 Monterrey
Tigres 1 0 Santos Laguna
21st Aug
Jaguares de Chiapas 2 3 Cruz Azul
Tecos 3 2 San Luis
15th Aug
América 1 1 Atlas
Puebla 1 1 Atlante
Toluca 1 1 Tigres
San Luis 1 0 Monarcas Morelia
Monterrey 5 2 Pumas UNAM
Santos Laguna 1 0 Jaguares de Chiapas
14th Aug
Necaxa 1 1 Gallos Blancos Querétaro
Cruz Azul 4 1 Pachuca
8th Aug
Pumas UNAM 2 0 Cruz Azul
Monarcas Morelia 6 0 Gallos Blancos Querétaro
Atlante 1 2 Monterrey
San Luis 0 1 Chivas del Guadalajara
Atlas 0 1 Necaxa
Tigres 1 1 América
Pachuca 0 3 Santos Laguna
Jaguares de Chiapas 1 1 Toluca
7th Aug
Tecos 1 3 Puebla
1st Aug
América 3 0 Jaguares de Chiapas
Puebla 2 1 San Luis
Toluca 1 1 Pachuca
Monterrey 3 2 Tecos
Santos Laguna 4 0 Pumas UNAM

Pos Team Pld W D L F A Diff Pts
1 Santos Laguna 5 4 0 1 12 2 10 12
2 Cruz Azul 5 4 0 1 12 5 7 12
3 Monterrey 5 3 2 0 13 8 5 11
4 Monarcas Morelia 5 3 1 1 9 2 7 10
5 Pumas UNAM 5 3 0 2 10 11 -1 9
6 Tigres 5 2 2 1 5 3 2 8
7 América 5 2 2 1 6 5 1 8
8 Puebla 5 2 2 1 7 7 0 8
9 Gallos Blancos Querétaro 5 2 1 2 4 9 -5 7
10 Toluca 5 1 3 1 5 5 0 6
11 Necaxa 5 1 2 2 3 5 -2 5
12 Pachuca 5 1 2 2 7 10 -3 5
13 Chivas del Guadalajara 3 1 1 1 2 2 0 4
14 San Luis 5 1 1 3 5 7 -2 4
15 Tecos 5 1 1 3 7 12 -5 4
16 Atlante 5 1 1 3 5 10 -5 4
17 Jaguares de Chiapas 5 0 2 3 4 9 -5 2
18 Atlas 5 0 1 4 2 6 -4 1