2018 / 2022 World Cup Bids

[Jim05]

The poms shafted us aswell. What happened to the promise of england and aus voting for each other?
We kept up our end of the bargain but the poms voted for south korea.
Thanks guys

Is that another fact there Jim. I thought it was against the rules for nations to collude

Not sure if its any worse than bribery.
I do find it funny that al jazir tv reported that qatar had won the bid the day before the announcement was made

[Jim05]

Sorry JTC you are alot closer to the action but the Guardian newspaper in Uk reported that British prime minister David Cameron had already agreed to a pact with his south korean counterpart.
In our local papers and media in adelaide they are talking about argentina being paid $80mil by qatar for their vote.
Just listened to a really good interview with Les Murray and he was scathing on the process. Australia had 6 votes promised only hours before the decission yet all but all but 1 renegged or changed their vote. He also talked about the asian fc president(qatari of course) pulling out of the running for fifa presidency to gain extra favours.
There is gping to be a documentry on sbs2 tonight at 9:30 that goes into detail about our failed attempt.

[johntheclaret]

No need to apologise mate, we are all entitled to our opinions. I was just asking if what you said was fact or rumour.

From the Aussie bid perspective, I personally didn't give you much hope.
1st bid for the comp, huge distances between venues, small population and a nation that doesn't consider soccer in it's top 3 sports.

Then Qatar go and win.

It is all a shame. The word bribery seems very apt to me. Over here I think the feeling is of indignance and resignation that England won't get the WC comp for a long long time to come. The attitude is **** em.

[johntheclaret]

btw, if you guys are feeling a bit hard done to and have wasted $40m, I think this was our 3rd or 4th failed bid over the years.

[Jim05]

No i agree with you mate. Its sad that england probably wont hold a wc for 20 years or more. The epl is the most watched in the world and their are dozens of stadia already built. Great infrastructure and transport. So many positives its a no brainer. Les hinted at the fact the 3 anglo bids the uk, usa and aus bids were blocked out in the first round. The reps from cyprus and turkey both had promised aus and england but both went qatar and russia in first round. England and aus WERE the biggest threats so they were both blocked out at first hurdle. Even funnier today it has been reported that 2 reps voted for aus but we only got one vote.
Just a pity i will be too old to see a wc in the home of football

[johntheclaret]

No i agree with you mate. Its sad that england probably wont hold a wc for 20 years or more. The epl is the most watched in the world and their are dozens of stadia already built. Great infrastructure and transport. So many positives its a no brainer. Les hinted at the fact the 3 anglo bids the uk, usa and aus bids were blocked out in the first round. The reps from cyprus and turkey both had promised aus and england but both went qatar and russia in first round. England and aus WERE the biggest threats so they were both blocked out at first hurdle. Even funnier today it has been reported that 2 reps voted for aus but we only got one vote.
Just a pity i will be too old to see a wc in the home of football

You and me both

[Jim05]

This farce is getting worse. Latest word is fifa are setting up a panel to research the feasability of holding the 2022 qatar world cup in january to avoid the intense june heat. This panel will report their findings back to fifa who will then make a decision in about 4 years time. European comps would have to be suspended for 6 weeks in the busy new year period. This is outrageous and cant be allowed to happen. My bet is that fifa will bend over and cop a january final. What a disgrace. Just shows who is really running fifa

[johntheclaret]

I see in his latest interview Blatter said England are bad news. Whilst the FIFA CEO remarked that England can't complain about the rules just because they lost. Hmmmm didn't England complain about vote rigging before the vote was taken.
The farce just got bigger

[Jim05]

Just a thought has england ever thought of a uk bid? Would be fantastic to see games at hampden park or millenium park cardiff. Was the 2018 bid a england solo bid? I think a uk bid would have greater appeal to fifa.
Very much dead against wc in january and postponing leagues. Clubs need to fight fifa. Maybe the power european clubs can run a super league like alternate world cup against fifa

[Bully]

yes england bid was a solo bid for 2018.

We wont see a world cup here in australia now for many years, well not in my life time i wouldnt expect seen as we spent so much and got one vote i think FIFA would have to beg the Australian goverment to bid seen as we spent so much the first time and got nothing. Doubt the cheifs in canberra would allow that much to be spent again for a while now

[Jim05]

yes england bid was a solo bid for 2018.

We wont see a world cup here in australia now for many years, well not in my life time i wouldnt expect seen as we spent so much and got one vote i think FIFA would have to beg the Australian goverment to bid seen as we spent so much the first time and got nothing. Doubt the cheifs in canberra would allow that much to be spent again for a while now

Bit selfish but i dont mind. Gives me a road trip every 4 years

[Dogmatic]

England's failed 2018 World Cup bid tried to use the Duke of York's relationship with the Qatari royal family to secure a voting alliance.

Following a freedom of information request, the BBC has learned diplomats and the Football Association worked on a Qatar strategy to help England's bid.

Qatar's own bid for the 2022 tournament event was ultimately successful.

Spain and Portugal were accused of breaking Fifa rules by forming a voting alliance with Qatar.

The emails revealed by this freedom of information request show for the first time the lengths to which England was prepared to go to win backing for its campaign.

Time and again in correspondence from foreign office and embassy officials in Qatar, it was made clear that securing the support of the Emir of Qatar would be crucial to England's chances of success.

A plan was discussed to use the influence of the Royal Family, in particular the Duke of York, to secure a voting alliance between England's 2018 bid and Qatar's own challenge for the 2022 event.

One email said: "The advice from the ambassador in Doha is that, subject to anything that happened at that meeting, we should ask the Duke to be kind enough to speak to the Emir on the phone as soon as is convenient and before 23 April in order to seek his support for the England bid."

It is not known if any meeting or phone call took place.

But in other emails, it was revealed how the Duke of York - the United Kingdom's Special Representative for International Trade and Investment since 2001 - was planning to meet with the Emir's wife Sheika Mozha.

In October, the Emir made a state visit to Britain where it was hoped he would discuss the countries' World Cup bids with the Prince of Wales, though a statement from Clarence House denied that any voting alliance was discussed.

The Duke of York's press office has denied that any lobbying with Qatar was carried out.

The FA has declined to comment on the emails or on its campaign voting strategy, though one source defended the approach saying this was what was needed to try and win.

What this information shows is that while other bids such as Spain and Portugal were investigated by Fifa for voting collusion, England was desperately trying to do its own deals to win the World Cup.

However the tactic was to prove unsuccessful with England gaining only two votes as its bid was eliminated in the first round.

[heater31]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/soccer/australia-unliekly-to-pursue-bribery-claims-against-fifa-over-2022-world-cup/story-e6frectc-1226054154267


Where to from Here???? I don't think FIFA would have the balls to strip the winners of their win and start all over again.

[RoosterMarty]

To be fair I'd probably change my vote if I was offered 1.5 mill.

If it does get proven to be true I don't think anything will change anyway but everyone knows FIFA is one of the most corrupt organisations in the world.

[pels]

Did I hear right that the Peru Delegate wanted to be knighted for his vote to be bought, that is gold if true?

[heater31]

Did I hear right that the Peru Delegate wanted to be knighted for his vote to be bought, that is gold if true?

The Trinidad delegate wanted a large sum of money paid into his personal bank account. From there he would make sure the funds were used to build schools for under privileged children....yeah right

[johntheclaret]

To be fair I'd probably change my vote if I was offered 1.5 mill.

If it does get proven to be true I don't think anything will change anyway but everyone knows FIFA is one of the most corrupt organisations in the world.

Spot on, on both counts Marty.

And Sett Blatter is due to be re-elected again. No wonder football is ****, with people like this in charge.