LEHMANNS captaincy part 2

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LEHMANNS captaincy part 2

Postby mal » Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:32 pm

After the drwan game v TA questions need to be raised again.
Lehmanns infatuation of bowling Cosgrove continues, as does
his incorrect bowling of Tait + Gillespie in the 2nd dig[2nd spells too late]

CALLING GAMES OFF
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In the ENG match he called the game off at 4-30 when Doctor Dan the Man Harris
was on 71 not out.
Harris has not made a first class 100 in his short but consistent career.

In the TA game with 3 wickets required and 2 balls left Boof calls the game off again.
TAIT pressing for Australain selection was on 4/59 after 11.4 overs.
Why call it off :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
TAIT has the opportunity to get 5 or 6 wickets and further impressing the selectors
and the game was called off.
It was also an opportunity to inflict some physological damage by getting out a batsman
in respect to future encounters.
The batsman with 2 balls to go were sitting shots, and relieved to walk off.

And just for the record you CAN still win with 3 wickets in 2 balls.
Its twilight zone logic, but a no ball run out is possible
As is a no ball, retired hurt scenario.

When will this continual absurdity stop. :?:
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Postby Adelaide Hawk » Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:51 pm

I think we need to move heaven and earth to get Dan Marsh back to Adelaide as captain of the Redbacks. Judging from some recent decisions, I think Lehmann's had enough. I remember even a great skipper like Ian Chappell went a little "troppo" late in his career, I guess leadership gets to you after awhile.
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Postby matt » Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:55 am

You guys both need to take a deep breath and get over it.

Peter Faulkner (ABC Saturday afternoon) was almost filling his jocks such was his excitement over Lehmann's captaincy. Suggested that CA should employ him to mentor all the young FC captains in the country such is his exceptional understanding of the game. While you make some valid points Mal you may want to consider the job he does the rest of time. AH - Dan Marsh? What could you possibly base that on?
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Postby Rik E Boy » Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:57 am

It could be worse, you could have Simon Katich. The guy is completely clueless.

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Re: LEHMANNS captaincy part 2

Postby Booney » Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:02 am

mal wrote:When will this continual absurdity stop. :?:


Your criticism of Boof,or his captaincy? (In your opinion..)
PAFC. Forever.

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Re: LEHMANNS captaincy part 2

Postby Dutchy » Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:25 am

Booney wrote:
mal wrote:When will this continual absurdity stop. :?:


Your criticism of Boof,or his captaincy? (In your opinion..)

and whos the proposed replacement?
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Postby Dutchy » Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:26 am

Rik E Boy wrote:It could be worse, you could have Simon Katich. The guy is completely clueless.

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Kathich = hack

What th F is that avatar Mr Boy?
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Postby Adelaide Hawk » Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:30 pm

matt wrote:You guys both need to take a deep breath and get over it.

Peter Faulkner (ABC Saturday afternoon) was almost filling his jocks such was his excitement over Lehmann's captaincy. Suggested that CA should employ him to mentor all the young FC captains in the country such is his exceptional understanding of the game. While you make some valid points Mal you may want to consider the job he does the rest of time. AH - Dan Marsh? What could you possibly base that on?


Let's be fair about this for a moment. Lehmann has made some very ordinary decisions this season and I really don't believe he has been up to his previous high standard as captain. I'm not putting Boof down, I just feel he's ready to let someone else have a go.

This is what leads me into the Dan Marsh suggestion. At present, there is no "heir apparent" to Boof's leadership at the Redbacks. Maybe one or two future possibilities but those guys are currently trying to cement their place in the team, they don't need the added responsibility of captaincy right now.

I'm not basing my Dan Marsh suggestion on anything but my own personal thoughts and wishes. I know Dan, he's a bright young man with an above average knowledge and aptitude for the game of cricket. I just feel he would be the ideal man to captain the Redbacks for the next 2-3 years. I have the capacity to think outside the square a little and it confuses people.

However, the Marsh suggestion would not be as far fetched as it may seem. He's an old SA boy, moved here from Perth with his family when he was 16. He still has strong ties to the Sturt club, his mate Wayne Phillips is Redbacks Coach, and fathe Rod is also involved. The only problem I see is he is firmly entrenched in Tasmania at the moment and may not wish to come back as he would feel he would be letting Tasmanian cricket down.
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Postby Rik E Boy » Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:31 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:It could be worse, you could have Simon Katich. The guy is completely clueless.

regards,

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Kathich = hack

What th F is that avatar Mr Boy?


Dear oh dear!! :shock: It is the 'Brown Bomber' no less.....

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Postby ca » Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:02 pm

I have to agree with t he above comments

The ways things are at the moment Wayne Phillips won't be there next year and possibly Boof as well so it may be a case of riding out yet another poor season and wait for the next season.
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Postby Dutchy » Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 pm

Flipper is contracted for next season
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Postby Dutchy » Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:07 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:It could be worse, you could have Simon Katich. The guy is completely clueless.

regards,

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Kathich = hack

What th F is that avatar Mr Boy?


Dear oh dear!! :shock: It is the 'Brown Bomber' no less.....

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guess you had to be there... :wink:
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History lesson for young Dutchy :)

Postby Rik E Boy » Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:23 pm

Led Zeppelin II
(From Wikipedia)

Studio album by Led Zeppelin
Released October 22, 1969
Recorded January-August 1969
Mixed at A&R Studios.
Genre Hard rock
Heavy metal
Length 41:29
Label Atlantic Records
Producer(s) Jimmy Page
Professional reviews


Led Zeppelin II, also known by the unofficial nickname The Brown Bomber, is a rock and roll album, the second released by English band Led Zeppelin in 1969. Here they further developed ideas established on their debut album, creating a work which became even more widely acclaimed and arguably more influential.

History
The album was recorded during a hectic and much-traveled period of the band's career from January through August 1969, when they completed four European and three American concert tours. Each song was separately recorded, mixed and produced at various studios in the UK and the US. The finished tracks reflect the raw, evolving sound of the band and their innovations as live performers.

Led Zeppelin II largely writes the blueprint for 1970s hard rock. Blues-derived songs like "Whole Lotta Love", "Heartbreaker", "The Lemon Song" and "Bring It on Home" are now standards of the genre, where the guitar-based riff (rather than vocal chorus or verses) defines the song and provides the key hook. Such arrangements and emphases were at the time atypical in popular music. As such, the album is generally considered to be very influential on the development of rock music, being an early forerunner of heavy metal, and inspiring a host of other rock bands such as Deep Purple, Van Halen and Guns N' Roses.

Led Zeppelin II also experimented with other musical styles and approaches, as on the alternately soft-and-loud "What Is And What Should Never Be" and "Ramble On" (which featured Page's acoustic guitar), or the pop-influenced ballad "Thank You". With its mysterious atmospherics, "Ramble On" helped develop hard rock's association with fantasy themes, which had partly derived from the psychedelic rock of two to three years before, but also from lyricist Robert Plant's personal interest in the writings of J. R. R. Tolkien. This direction would later culminate on Led Zeppelin's untitled fourth album (and countless subsequent groups would later carry the influence to further extremes). Conversely, the instrumental "Moby Dick" features an extended drum solo by John Bonham, which would later be extended to a half-hour or more in live Led Zeppelin concert performances.

Jimmy Page's contribution to this album was significant, as his electric guitar solo on the song "Heartbreaker" was emulated by many younger rock guitarists, and exemplifies the group's intense musical attack. Page's innovative recording and drum miking effects on tracks such as "Ramble On" and "Whole Lotta Love" also demonstrated his considerable skill, resourcefulness and originality as a producer.

This album was Led Zeppelin's first to utilise the skills of recording engineer Eddie Kramer, whose prior work with Jimi Hendrix had impressed the band's members, especially Page. Kramer and Page formed a strong partnership in the mixing room, as exhibited in the central section of "Whole Lotta Love". As Kramer said, "The famous Whole Lotta Love mix, where everything is going bananas, is a combination of Jimmy and myself just flying around on a small console twiddling every knob known to man."

The "Brown Bomber" album sleeve design was from a poster by David Juniper. It was based on an old photograph of the Jasta Division of the German air force during World War I, with the faces of the four members of the band airbrushed on from a 1969 publicity photograph. (The German air force used Zeppelins as airships for bombing military and civilian targets during the war). The faces of band manager Peter Grant and tour manager Richard Cole were also added. The woman in the picture is Glynis Johns, the mother from Mary Poppins. Her presence in the photo is an obvious play on the name of recording engineer Glyn Johns. The other face added was that of bluesman Blind Willie Johnson.

Commercially, Led Zeppelin II was the band's first album to hit #1 in the US knocking The Beatles' Abbey Road from the top spot. It also yielded Led Zeppelin's biggest hit, with the track "Whole Lotta Love". This song reached #4 on the Billboard Top 100 in January 1970, after Atlantic Records went against the group's wishes by releasing a shorter version on 45. The single's B-side, "Living Loving Maid (She's Just a Woman)", also hit the Billboard chart, peaking at #65 in April 1970. The commercial success of this album also brought with it — as with their debut album — accusations of plagiarism (e.g. Willie Dixon's claim to the lyrics for "Whole Lotta Love"[1]).

In 2000 Q magazine placed Led Zeppelin II at number 37 in its list of the 100 Greatest British Albums Ever. Also in 2003, Rolling Stone magazine declared the album the 75th greatest album of all time.


Track listing
"Whole Lotta Love" (Bonham/Dixon/Jones/Page/Plant) – 5:34 [1]
"What Is and What Should Never Be" (Page/Plant) – 4:46
"The Lemon Song" (Howlin' Wolf/Bonham/Jones/Page/Plant) – 6:18 [2]
"Thank You" (Page/Plant) – 4:47
"Heartbreaker" (Bonham/Jones/Page/Plant) – 4:14
"Living Loving Maid (She's Just a Woman)" (Page/Plant) – 2:38
"Ramble On" (Page/Plant) – 4:24
"Moby Dick" (Bonham/Jones/Page) – 4:21 [instrumental]
"Bring It on Home" (Dixon/Page/Plant) – 4:21[1]


Charts
Album - Billboard (North America)

Year Chart Position
1969 Pop Albums (Billboard 200) 1

Singles - Billboard (North America)

Year Single Chart Position
1969 "Whole Lotta Love" Pop Singles (Billboard Hot 100) 4
1969 "Heartbreaker" Pop Singles (Billboard Hot 100) 20
1969 "Living Loving Maid (She's Just A Woman)" Pop Singles (Billboard Hot 100) 20



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Postby matt » Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:27 pm

Adelaide Hawk wrote:
matt wrote:You guys both need to take a deep breath and get over it.

Peter Faulkner (ABC Saturday afternoon) was almost filling his jocks such was his excitement over Lehmann's captaincy. Suggested that CA should employ him to mentor all the young FC captains in the country such is his exceptional understanding of the game. While you make some valid points Mal you may want to consider the job he does the rest of time. AH - Dan Marsh? What could you possibly base that on?


Let's be fair about this for a moment. Lehmann has made some very ordinary decisions this season and I really don't believe he has been up to his previous high standard as captain. I'm not putting Boof down, I just feel he's ready to let someone else have a go.

This is what leads me into the Dan Marsh suggestion. At present, there is no "heir apparent" to Boof's leadership at the Redbacks. Maybe one or two future possibilities but those guys are currently trying to cement their place in the team, they don't need the added responsibility of captaincy right now.

I'm not basing my Dan Marsh suggestion on anything but my own personal thoughts and wishes. I know Dan, he's a bright young man with an above average knowledge and aptitude for the game of cricket. I just feel he would be the ideal man to captain the Redbacks for the next 2-3 years. I have the capacity to think outside the square a little and it confuses people.

However, the Marsh suggestion would not be as far fetched as it may seem. He's an old SA boy, moved here from Perth with his family when he was 16. He still has strong ties to the Sturt club, his mate Wayne Phillips is Redbacks Coach, and fathe Rod is also involved. The only problem I see is he is firmly entrenched in Tasmania at the moment and may not wish to come back as he would feel he would be letting Tasmanian cricket down.


Once again I acknowledge some fair points but to think that DM would be better for SA cricket than DL atm is over the top. I am well aware of his ties to SA cricket and whether he's a good bloke or not does not, in my mind, make him someone the SACa should consider let alone actively chase.

As for "I have the capacity to think outside the square a little and it confuses people."

Turn it up!!!
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Postby Dutchy » Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:53 pm

Before my time REB...
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Postby Rik E Boy » Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:02 pm

Dutchy wrote:Before my time REB...


If you're into Rock, get it. If not, don't :wink: Probably a little before my time too Dutchy but I despise the majority of releases of the last ten years. I was listening to this when everyone else was listening to Human League and Culture Club.

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Re: History lesson for young Dutchy :)

Postby JK » Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:57 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:"What Is and What Should Never Be" (Page/Plant) – 4:46


One of their most underrated numbers IMHO
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Postby Adelaide Hawk » Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:43 pm

matt wrote:Once again I acknowledge some fair points but to think that DM would be better for SA cricket than DL atm is over the top. I am well aware of his ties to SA cricket and whether he's a good bloke or not does not, in my mind, make him someone the SACa should consider let alone actively chase.

As for "I have the capacity to think outside the square a little and it confuses people."

Turn it up!!!


Well it has obviously confused you. Go back and read once more what I've written and tell me exactly where I have said Marsh would do a better job than Lehmann. What I am saying is ... and I'm typing this slowly for you ... is Lehmann has already indicated he would like someone to step into the captaincy role.

As we don't have a ready made replacement at this time, I have looked outside South Australia for a suitable recruit who would do a great job for the Redbacks and came up with Dan Marsh. Pardon me for daring to suggest something that may help South Australian cricket.

It has nothing to do with Marsh being a great guy, it has everything to do with us securing the services of one of the best cricket minds in the country. Still confused? Yes, you probably are.
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Re: LEHMANNS captaincy part 2

Postby mal » Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:18 pm

Booney wrote:
mal wrote:When will this continual absurdity stop. :?:


Your criticism of Boof,or his captaincy? (In your opinion..)


BOOFS captaincy is the criticism

Last year he was outstanding
Previous years did a very good job
This year has been abyssMAL

Is a champion batsman
An underated bowler
Good International career
Very good commentator
Comes over very well on TV commercials
Great in his beer ads in the paper.

Only blemish on this outstanding ambassador to SA Cricket is his captaining in this season.
All batsman have slumps[except the Don?]
All bowlers have slumps
And captains have slumps

If I was a betting man I would say he will come good on the captaincy
I will be objective from here on and praise/criticise as I see it.

Get one thing straight I admire the man.
My frustrations are 100% due to our lack of success to date.
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Re: LEHMANNS captaincy part 2

Postby Dutchy » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:34 pm

mal wrote:
If
I was a betting man I would say he will come good on the captaincy
I will be objective from here on and praise/criticise as I see it.



IF????????? :roll: :lol: :lol:
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