by Gozu » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:58 pm
by gadj1976 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:35 am
by Gozu » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:06 pm
by gadj1976 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:24 pm
by whufc » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:35 pm
gadj1976 wrote:I agree Gozu, we have fallen away but I think it's got a bit to do with other forms of cricket and the overload the top players are playing. Too much cricket and meaningless stuff at that. The players should be ramping up for test cricket, not other forms. Test should be the pinnacle and players should be rested accordingly for that type of cricket.
by The Sleeping Giant » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:56 pm
by FlyingHigh » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:05 pm
gadj1976 wrote:Gozu, not trying to downplay your analysis, but I'm actually enjoying test cricket again.
For years there we bullied opposition sides just cos we were so good. Now we're not and in my eyes it's entertaining. Yep, the collapses aren't pretty to watch but at least the games can go either way.
Let's face it, during that period of time when McGrath and Warne were at their peak, we were spoilt. I think now the Australian public is seeing what it's like for a bully to get bullied back.
Back to your stats...
It's obvious our cricketing centre of excellence was not doing what it needed to do in the wake of the Mc-Warne era, that being to develop ready made test cricketers. As I've said to mates previously its easy to carry an ordinary bloke in an exceptional team.
I for one am happy that the rotation of teams at the top is occuring. I'll be happy for Australia (who I used to think was a petulant
brat) serve their time getting done by sides like NZ and hopefully its a wake up call to Cricket Australia that we're resting on our laurels.
The WI did it after their fast bowling stocks withered and look at them now. They'd hardly beat a decent shield side here.
by test » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:07 pm
by Rik E Boy » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:03 pm
gadj1976 wrote:Gozu, not trying to downplay your analysis, but I'm actually enjoying test cricket again.
For years there we bullied opposition sides just cos we were so good. Now we're not and in my eyes it's entertaining. Yep, the collapses aren't pretty to watch but at least the games can go either way.
Let's face it, during that period of time when McGrath and Warne were at their peak, we were spoilt. I think now the Australian public is seeing what it's like for a bully to get bullied back.
Back to your stats...
It's obvious our cricketing centre of excellence was not doing what it needed to do in the wake of the Mc-Warne era, that being to develop ready made test cricketers. As I've said to mates previously its easy to carry an ordinary bloke in an exceptional team.
I for one am happy that the rotation of teams at the top is occuring. I'll be happy for Australia (who I used to think was a petulant
brat) serve their time getting done by sides like NZ and hopefully its a wake up call to Cricket Australia that we're resting on our laurels.
The WI did it after their fast bowling stocks withered and look at them now. They'd hardly beat a decent shield side here.
by Rik E Boy » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:05 pm
FlyingHigh wrote:gadj1976 wrote:Gozu, not trying to downplay your analysis, but I'm actually enjoying test cricket again.
For years there we bullied opposition sides just cos we were so good. Now we're not and in my eyes it's entertaining. Yep, the collapses aren't pretty to watch but at least the games can go either way.
Let's face it, during that period of time when McGrath and Warne were at their peak, we were spoilt. I think now the Australian public is seeing what it's like for a bully to get bullied back.
Back to your stats...
It's obvious our cricketing centre of excellence was not doing what it needed to do in the wake of the Mc-Warne era, that being to develop ready made test cricketers. As I've said to mates previously its easy to carry an ordinary bloke in an exceptional team.
I for one am happy that the rotation of teams at the top is occuring. I'll be happy for Australia (who I used to think was a petulant
brat) serve their time getting done by sides like NZ and hopefully its a wake up call to Cricket Australia that we're resting on our laurels.
The WI did it after their fast bowling stocks withered and look at them now. They'd hardly beat a decent shield side here.
Falling like the Windies is the one thing I'm afraid of, although they do have several issues we don't ($$'s, US basketball, internal politics). However they didn't fall straight away, were still very competitive in 96/97 in Australia, so right now I think we aren't far off even in our declines.
Under Ponting and Waugh we very much bullied other teams, and then Ponting was somehwat exposed as when the big names retired. If you look at the series, the only one we were completely outplayed was the Ashes last year, which suggests we still had plenty of good players and opportunties to win with the right tactical nous.
At the moment, I think Clarke is doing a pretty good job and has bought a certain freshness to the role, much like Taylor did (not as good a captain just yet, perhaps never will be), but the side is no way near as strong as Ponting's last couple of years.
and FWIW, time to piss off the two test seris. The last four tests have been great entertainment, and have people hanging out for a decider. The Kiwis defiintely deserve three tests against us, they more often that not take it right up to us.
by gadj1976 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:38 am
Rik E Boy wrote:gadj1976 wrote:Gozu, not trying to downplay your analysis, but I'm actually enjoying test cricket again.
For years there we bullied opposition sides just cos we were so good. Now we're not and in my eyes it's entertaining. Yep, the collapses aren't pretty to watch but at least the games can go either way.
Let's face it, during that period of time when McGrath and Warne were at their peak, we were spoilt. I think now the Australian public is seeing what it's like for a bully to get bullied back.
Back to your stats...
It's obvious our cricketing centre of excellence was not doing what it needed to do in the wake of the Mc-Warne era, that being to develop ready made test cricketers. As I've said to mates previously its easy to carry an ordinary bloke in an exceptional team.
I for one am happy that the rotation of teams at the top is occuring. I'll be happy for Australia (who I used to think was a petulant
brat) serve their time getting done by sides like NZ and hopefully its a wake up call to Cricket Australia that we're resting on our laurels.
The WI did it after their fast bowling stocks withered and look at them now. They'd hardly beat a decent shield side here.
I don't need the Aussies to play like a lot of old plonkers to enjoy test cricket. You weren't entertained by the dominance of Hayden, the unparalleled skill of Warne, the immovable determination of Steve Waugh or the sheer audacity of Gilchrist? Cripes mate what game were you watching?
regards,
REB
by Rik E Boy » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:48 pm
by gadj1976 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:51 am
Rik E Boy wrote:Well you did say that because you said it was boring. If you enjoy being bored you must be a Soccer fan as well.
regards,
REB
by Dogwatcher » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:18 pm
by test » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:07 pm
Dogwatcher wrote:Watching a team at the top of its game. Yup. Boring
by gadj1976 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:59 pm
Dogwatcher wrote:Watching a team at the top of its game. Yup. Boring
by Dogwatcher » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:19 pm
by gadj1976 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:49 am
Dogwatcher wrote:Don't agree at all.
Loved watching our boys at the peak of their game.
Loved seeing them strut around like the West Indians did when they were at the peak of their game.
I don't love seeing them coontinue to strut around like they're at the top of their game when they're clearly not.Hate seeing the Poms or Indians strutting. Because it shoul be us doing that - let's hope we are again soon.
Why is it that someone like Viv Richards is revered for his arrogance and win at all costs attitude, while our Aussie blokes are derided?
by Rik E Boy » Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:59 pm
gadj1976 wrote:Dogwatcher wrote:Don't agree at all.
Loved watching our boys at the peak of their game.
Loved seeing them strut around like the West Indians did when they were at the peak of their game.
I don't love seeing them coontinue to strut around like they're at the top of their game when they're clearly not.Hate seeing the Poms or Indians strutting. Because it shoul be us doing that - let's hope we are again soon.
Why is it that someone like Viv Richards is revered for his arrogance and win at all costs attitude, while our Aussie blokes are derided?
hehehe, i was taking the pi$$ Dogger....
I do agree with the comment bolded though!
I only derided the Aussies when they whinged and complained and carried on like spoilt brats. You can win, but win graciously.
by gadj1976 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:46 am
Rik E Boy wrote:gadj1976 wrote:Dogwatcher wrote:Don't agree at all.
Loved watching our boys at the peak of their game.
Loved seeing them strut around like the West Indians did when they were at the peak of their game.
I don't love seeing them coontinue to strut around like they're at the top of their game when they're clearly not.Hate seeing the Poms or Indians strutting. Because it shoul be us doing that - let's hope we are again soon.
Why is it that someone like Viv Richards is revered for his arrogance and win at all costs attitude, while our Aussie blokes are derided?
hehehe, i was taking the pi$$ Dogger....
I do agree with the comment bolded though!
I only derided the Aussies when they whinged and complained and carried on like spoilt brats. You can win, but win graciously.
Yeah there was no need for that aspect of their play. As for Viv, if he played now he wouldn't be as revered IMO because there are more press outlets looking for a different 'angle' and there would be a Viv 'controversy' nearly every match. Back then he was the brash young star who faced up to Lillee and Thomson and Lever and Willis. He learnt a lot in those early years from Australia and England and turned it back on us when his boys were top of the tree. Have you read 'Hitting accross the line'? There's a whole chapter on the Australian tour of 1975/76 and it seemed to me the whole Viv personna was refined as a result of that tough tour. And boy didn't the Poms pay for it in 1976??
regards,
REB
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