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Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:36 amby magpie in the 80's
IF you're sick of the NSW domination of the Australian cricket team, get used to it.
It's one of the oldest gripes in Australian cricket - that when a young NSW player is handed his state's blue cap, his baggy green arrives in the same kit.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/why ... 5988546713
Re: Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:58 amby Adelaide Hawk
I grow tired of this argument. For over a century, NSW have produced the best cricketers in Australia, and when NSW is stong, Australuian cricket is strong.
Back in the 70s when WA dominated local cricket, we saw a plethora of WA players in the Aussie teaam and at one stage when Walters was dropped, there was not one NSW player in the team.
In the 80s and 90s, we saw plenty of Queensland players making the team. That's life.
As it stands at present, if all players in Australia were able to play a full Sheffield Shield season, NSW would win the shield by the length of the straight.
We'd be supplying SA players as well if out system wasn't pure garbage.
All this crap about getting a NSW cap means you'll get a green baggy is pure bunkum, and I can't wait to see Rick E Boy's response to this thread
Re: Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:00 amby Media Park
Steve Smith anyone?
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Posted:
Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:16 amby GWW
How long would Darren Lehmann have waited to make his Test debut if he was from NSW? From memory he was 12th man as an 19 year old but didnt make his debut until a few years later. He should have played at least 40 more Tests than he actually played.
Re: Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:05 pmby MatteeG
Adelaide Hawk wrote:I grow tired of this argument. For over a century, NSW have produced the best cricketers in Australia, and when NSW is stong, Australuian cricket is strong.
Dont think the argument is with that AH, but rather the 'average' amongst them that get picked. Gavin Robertson, Phil Emery, Steve Smith (the older one) and Graeme Beard (for the older posters) ring a bell?
Re: Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:12 pmby whufc
Adelaide Hawk wrote:I grow tired of this argument. For over a century, NSW have produced the best cricketers in Australia, and when NSW is stong, Australuian cricket is strong.
Back in the 70s when WA dominated local cricket, we saw a plethora of WA players in the Aussie teaam and at one stage when Walters was dropped, there was not one NSW player in the team.
In the 80s and 90s, we saw plenty of Queensland players making the team. That's life.
As it stands at present, if all players in Australia were able to play a full Sheffield Shield season, NSW would win the shield by the length of the straight.
We'd be supplying SA players as well if out system wasn't pure garbage.
All this crap about getting a NSW cap means you'll get a green baggy is pure bunkum, and I can't wait to see Rick E Boy's response to this thread
totally agree, its a load of crap.
i have always found South Australians to be 'the hard done by' state. Given Siddons and Lehmann should have been given a better crack than they were BUT since SA have won the shield how many blokes have been banging the door down making the selectors pick them.
I laugh when i hear blokes at the cricket club going on how they need to pick George, Ferguson, Christian get them in the test side. FFS they can barely even win a shield game let alone test cricket.
Re: Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:25 pmby gadj1976
whufc wrote:Adelaide Hawk wrote:I grow tired of this argument. For over a century, NSW have produced the best cricketers in Australia, and when NSW is stong, Australuian cricket is strong.
Back in the 70s when WA dominated local cricket, we saw a plethora of WA players in the Aussie teaam and at one stage when Walters was dropped, there was not one NSW player in the team.
In the 80s and 90s, we saw plenty of Queensland players making the team. That's life.
As it stands at present, if all players in Australia were able to play a full Sheffield Shield season, NSW would win the shield by the length of the straight.
We'd be supplying SA players as well if out system wasn't pure garbage.
All this crap about getting a NSW cap means you'll get a green baggy is pure bunkum, and I can't wait to see Rick E Boy's response to this thread
totally agree, its a load of crap.
i have always found South Australians to be 'the hard done by' state. Given Siddons and Lehmann should have been given a better crack than they were BUT since SA have won the shield how many blokes have been banging the door down making the selectors pick them.
I laugh when i hear blokes at the cricket club going on how they need to pick George, Ferguson, Christian get them in the test side. FFS they can barely even win a shield game let alone test cricket.
It seems if you're not from NSW, you have to prove yourself at the shield level for many years before getting a baggy green. If you're from NSW, and they see you've got talent, then you are given an opportunity much earlier than elsewhere. That's the only difference I can see over many years of watching selections unfold.
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:28 pmby GWW
MatteeG wrote:Adelaide Hawk wrote:I grow tired of this argument. For over a century, NSW have produced the best cricketers in Australia, and when NSW is stong, Australuian cricket is strong.
Dont think the argument is with that AH, but rather the 'average' amongst them that get picked. Gavin Robertson, Phil Emery, Steve Smith (the older one) and Graeme Beard (for the older posters) ring a bell?
The original Steve Smith was always good to watch opening in one dayers, was a very attacking batsman. I dont recall him playing many Test matches although my memory may not be serving me too well.
Re: Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:32 pmby Media Park
I think people jump on the DC band wagon because he is able to perform the sort of role given to Steve Smith, and at FC/ODD level, DC seems to perform more consistently...
Now I know there's stats that a Steve Smith follower could produce to shoot me down, but the difference is that Smith has been given a crack, and not really performed...
DC could be the next keynote all rounder, or the next nobody, but you need to find out...
People look at Ferg, only because he got the ODI gig and succeeded, which should be the platform to get to Test level, as well as making regular FC runs, and names like North faltered... He should have been given a crack, although he isn't the only name that should be thrown around...
George is a different story... Got into the Test side on the back of a dominant FC season, but has certainly been overtaken by Starc/Copeland type players... He may get back to the Test side, but it'll take a while...
Re: Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:32 pmby Dogmatic
MatteeG wrote:Adelaide Hawk wrote:I grow tired of this argument. For over a century, NSW have produced the best cricketers in Australia, and when NSW is stong, Australuian cricket is strong.
Dont think the argument is with that AH, but rather the 'average' amongst them that get picked. Gavin Robertson, Phil Emery, Steve Smith (the older one) and Graeme Beard (for the older posters) ring a bell?
How do you think interstaters would view these players who played test cricket?
Cullen, Peter George, Manou & Tait.
Re: Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:34 pmby Media Park
Tait the only name who could play international cricket, and not at Test level.
The other three wouldn't enter into any discussions...
Where is the first DC now anyway?
Re: Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:02 pmby Grahaml
There have been so many blokes get called up from nowhere, not just NSW. Lehmann perhaps should have played more tests, but instead of which player? Easy enough to say he should be in, but you must also believe there was a player in the side who played 40 too many tests, or a bunch of guys who played when they shouldn't have.
Anyone saying Ferguson should be playing/have played are fooling themselves. Little thing called a knee reconstruction.
Anyone saying Christian should be playing/have played are fooling themselves. Smith was given a go because they wanted to use him as a spinner and thought his batting might be good enough to hold down 6 or 7 with Haddin being a more than capable batsman as a keeper. But it was the fact he bowls wrist spin that they liked. Unless Christian has turned into a leggie when I wasn't watching, you're not comparing apples with apples. Any all rounder needs to earn their spot in one discipline in test cricket (you won't find one successful one in history who couldn't have been picked on one discipline alone). The Smith experiment has failed, but he's not the first spin option to fail since Warne retired. And I dare say he won't be the last.
Re: Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:24 amby Dogwatcher
Lehmann is the only bloke I can think of who SHOULD have got more of a go.
Imagine his career if you add the tests that Michael Bevan played to his tally....
Re: Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:45 amby Rik E Boy
Wah wah wah not this shit again. Get a decent district comp that creates some good players then you'll get a baggy green. I'm fairly over the Siddons coulda shoulda thing too...he was a great shield player but I'm not convinced he would have been a walk up test star, particuarly after he got sconned by Merv. No doubt Lehmann should have played more test cricket but there were some fair players around in Boofs time. Ferg LOL.
regards,
REB
Re: Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:06 amby Media Park
I think the best rebuttal was "who do you kick out?"
In Lehmann's FC heyday, you had:
Langer
Hayden
Ponting
M Waugh
Martyn
S Waugh
Gilchrist
As Test players, with Love, Husseys, Di Venuto, Elliott, Hodge, Maher, etc making piles of runs...
Who are you going to knock out for Lehmann?
It's a different case now, with Khawaja and Ferg making runs, when Punter and Clarke aren't making runs, Smith is virtually playing as a specialist bat at number seven, and North got an extended stay...
Two different eras... Not comparing apples for apples.
Re: Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:43 amby Dogwatcher
Media Park, Lehmann's hey day also saw Michael Bevan in the side.
Over time, he's probably the only one Boof could have got a shot ahead of.
Re: Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:45 amby Phantom Gossiper
Dogwatcher wrote:Media Park, Lehmann's hey day also saw Michael Bevan in the side.
Over time, he's probably the only one Boof could have got a shot ahead of.
Bevan = rubbish test cricketer.
Re: Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:28 amby Rik E Boy
Dogwatcher wrote:Media Park, Lehmann's hey day also saw Michael Bevan in the side.
Over time, he's probably the only one Boof could have got a shot ahead of.
Bevan only played 18 matches. I reckon Boof would in hindsight regret his move to Victoria, IIRC he got injured early on over there and disappeared from the scene at a crucial time. If that coincided with the 95/96 Windies tour then that makes it especially crucial.
regards,
REB
Re: Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:52 amby Dogwatcher
Add another 18 matches to Boof's career, plus the fact he might have settled into the team and that's potentially a lot of cricket. He was back in SA by 93/94, in Victoria from 90 to 93 (two seasons), by which point he was well off the selectors' radar. Was that because he was seen as David Hookes' protege?
Re: Why a blue cap gets you a baggy green
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:53 pmby Media Park
How many matches did Bevo play down the order to protect Tubby's spot in the side also...?