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Just bit of a discussion about Australias long term teams.

We have a crop of U/19's coming through that may well infact be the core of the next sucessful period of Australian Cricket. Its very likely that it will be a Mitch Marsh led teams that wins again in England. It may well be 5+ years before we have the ashes back.

Also not just in regards to those boys, Maddison, Paine, Kwhaja, Copeland, Stac and O'Keefe are very likely to win back the urn from the old enemy. So I'm posing the questions to all out there. How do we start getting these guys ready for test cricket. Is it as simple as keeping them away from 20/20? I would be interesting to read other peoples thoughts about this.

stan wrote:Just bit of a discussion about Australias long term teams.

We have a crop of U/19's coming through that may well infact be the core of the next sucessful period of Australian Cricket. Its very likely that it will be a Mitch Marsh led teams that wins again in England. It may well be 5+ years before we have the ashes back.

Also not just in regards to those boys, Maddison, Paine, Kwhaja, Copeland, Stac and O'Keefe are very likely to win back the urn from the old enemy. So I'm posing the questions to all out there. How do we start getting these guys ready for test cricket. Is it as simple as keeping them away from 20/20? I would be interesting to read other peoples thoughts about this.

Start selecting them might help.

Play them now. The next crop are awesome but we dont want them making their debut in 3 years time whilst still giving gold passes to the boys club.
We have a bit of a problem at shield level where we have got guys playing who are too old to be selected for australia but taking kids spots at shield level. Guys like stuart clark keeping copeland out of shield and hodge/hussey at vic. These guys will never play for aus again, time to step aside at shield level aswell

To the Australian Cricketers, Selectors, Coaches
Thank you so much for another decade of dominance this millenuim, until the last 18 months or so
The past decade once again illustrated what a great cricketing nation we have
Been a pleasure to watch and support our cricket team

Thank you also for about 20 years of great cricket
In this time Australia has been the most dominant cricketing nation in the Universe

Inevitably all greatisms come to an end
Australia will now need to rebuild a new team to try and emulate the last 20 years

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If these new blokes are good enough they will come through naturally as they are ready. Players go to 36 these days so there is plenty of time to make sure they are hardened up in Shield cricket as was their previous generation so they step in to test cricket with confidence. If they are as good as is being claimed we should be right in a few years. We just need to weather the storm for a couple of years and stay behind the lads as Mal says.

10 years ago we were able to bring in slightly older guys (25) who hit the ground running. Now we see Hughes and Smith stumbling around and I am not sure it's the right approach even though it appeases the armchair selectors who want to pick anyone under 21 who has a few good games it seems.

Teams needs balance. Can't underestimate the importance of having experienced heads playing alongside the rookies at both domestic and international levels.

... is @$%&ed

Hondo wrote:If these new blokes are good enough they will come through naturally as they are ready. Players go to 36 these days so there is plenty of time to make sure they are hardened up in Shield cricket as was their previous generation so they step in to test cricket with confidence. If they are as good as is being claimed we should be right in a few years. We just need to weather the storm for a couple of years and stay behind the lads as Mal says.

10 years ago we were able to bring in slightly older guys (25) who hit the ground running. Now we see Hughes and Smith stumbling around and I am not sure it's the right approach even though it appeases the armchair selectors who want to pick anyone under 21 who has a few good games it seems.

In fairness to Hughes, I do believe he was posied for a big score in the second innings. He looked a lot more composed. Even in the first innings he was looking ok, its just he played a terrible stroke.
I do believe he is working hard on his weakness at the moment, so I would hope the selectors do stick with him.

Hondo wrote:If these new blokes are good enough they will come through naturally as they are ready. Players go to 36 these days so there is plenty of time to make sure they are hardened up in Shield cricket as was their previous generation so they step in to test cricket with confidence. If they are as good as is being claimed we should be right in a few years. We just need to weather the storm for a couple of years and stay behind the lads as Mal says.

10 years ago we were able to bring in slightly older guys (25) who hit the ground running. Now we see Hughes and Smith stumbling around and I am not sure it's the right approach even though it appeases the armchair selectors who want to pick anyone under 21 who has a few good games it seems.

imho thats why Australian Cricket is where it is now.

There should have been a few more Michael Clarke selections,

That Aussie side was good enough to carry one or two blokes especially against the weaker nations BUT instead we kept giving blokes such as Katich, Hodge, Bichels, Kasprowichz, MacGill etc etc second goes insted of promoting a few younger blokes who may well be hitting their prime now in their late 20's

Watched highlights of an Aus v Aus A one-day final from '94/95 on Fox last night.

Hayden, Langer, Martyn, Blewett in the Aus A side.

Sigh, times have certainly changed.

stan wrote:

Hondo wrote:If these new blokes are good enough they will come through naturally as they are ready. Players go to 36 these days so there is plenty of time to make sure they are hardened up in Shield cricket as was their previous generation so they step in to test cricket with confidence. If they are as good as is being claimed we should be right in a few years. We just need to weather the storm for a couple of years and stay behind the lads as Mal says.

10 years ago we were able to bring in slightly older guys (25) who hit the ground running. Now we see Hughes and Smith stumbling around and I am not sure it's the right approach even though it appeases the armchair selectors who want to pick anyone under 21 who has a few good games it seems.

In fairness to Hughes, I do believe he was posied for a big score in the second innings. He looked a lot more composed. Even in the first innings he was looking ok, its just he played a terrible stroke.
I do believe he is working hard on his weakness at the moment, so I would hope the selectors do stick with him.

Coulda Woulda Didnt! In fairness to punter he got 2 good balls this series and was unlucky to be caught down the leg.... people are calling for his head but has similar weaknesses to hughes. Hughes just doesnt have the compact game needed to be a solid opening bat at international level

dedja wrote:Watched highlights of an Aus v Aus A one-day final from '94/95 on Fox last night.

Hayden, Langer, Martyn, Blewett in the Aus A side.

Sigh, times have certainly changed.

How good was that! ah i miss the Aus v Aus A ODI

AUS A

Hayden
Blewett
Martyn
Bevan
Langer
Ponting
Emery
McIntyre
Hughes
Reiffel
George

Not a bad looking line up

The way many people are talking you'd think there was a major crisis.

Yet only two weeks ago at the WACA Australia comprehensively beat England, bowling them out twice for under 200!

There's plenty of talent around. You just can't expect players of the ilk of Warne, McGrath, Gilchrist and Hayden to be always be at your disposal.

The only thing that needs an overhaul is the moribund selection panel which seem to be making too many ill-conceived selection moves out of sheer desperation to find a winning formula. Cooler and wiser heads are needed.

Phantom Gossiper wrote:

dedja wrote:Watched highlights of an Aus v Aus A one-day final from '94/95 on Fox last night.

Hayden, Langer, Martyn, Blewett in the Aus A side.

Sigh, times have certainly changed.

How good was that! ah i miss the Aus v Aus A ODI

This was the beginning of me hating Australian cricket. I remember the moment when I began to hate them (not sure what game it was)
I believe it may have been D.Martyn who blocked a McDermott deliver, who then picked up the ball and threatened to throw it.
Australia A were the better team to watch, the better sportsman and the Green looked better than the Yellow.

7-Dog wrote:This was the beginning of me hating Australian cricket. I remember the moment when I began to hate them (not sure what game it was)
I believe it may have been D.Martyn who blocked a McDermott deliver, who then picked up the ball and threatened to throw it.

Oh no!!! He didn't threaten to throw the ball did he???!!! Good God no!!! Certainly a valid reason to "hate" the cricket team respresenting the country in which you live

Pathetic post mate.

Adelaide Hawk wrote:

7-Dog wrote:This was the beginning of me hating Australian cricket. I remember the moment when I began to hate them (not sure what game it was)
I believe it may have been D.Martyn who blocked a McDermott deliver, who then picked up the ball and threatened to throw it.

Oh no!!! He didn't threaten to throw the ball did he???!!! Good God no!!! Certainly a valid reason to "hate" the cricket team respresenting the country in which you live

Pathetic post mate.

Considering Martyn is an Aussie and hadn't left the crease, yeah it was the mosrt arrogant thing I had seen by an Aussie to another Aussie.
Australia A were robbed of players for the Finals and were the better team by tournaments end.

I have heard a few commentators on radio talk about the impact of the better pay for Shield players these days. Players are staying in the game longer and arguably are holding up places that used to be taken over by young players in the past. The same thing that is happenning to the test team seems to be happenning to our Shield teams and I wonder if it is holding up the next generation.

They talked about the "professional Shield player" that has evolved these days. Guys aged over 30 that will never make the test team but staying in the game much longer than they used to. Used to be by age 33 most cricketers were starting to retire as there was no money it for them unless they had prospects of playing for Australia. Now it seems they want to hang around as long as they can (and why wouldn't they) even if it means that have a 20 year first class career.

7-Dog wrote:Considering Martyn is an Aussie and hadn't left the crease, yeah it was the mosrt arrogant thing I had seen by an Aussie to another Aussie.
Australia A were robbed of players for the Finals and were the better team by tournaments end.

Ever been to a Shield game?? Two Australain teams playing each other...

Older Australian players are always testing the younger ones to see if they've got the bottle. E.g. Kim Hughes sledging the crap out of McDermott himself in 1983-84 - source Golden Boy 2009. It's what makes our cricket historically the toughest and best in the world if you look back on the last 130 years of Test cricket.

HAppened to Ian Healy in Qld grade cricket and to S Waugh when he first started playing shield cricket (Qld v NSW - Greg Ritchie)

No different between Australia and Australia A, and Queensland and WA...

Hondo wrote:I have heard a few commentators on radio talk about the impact of the better pay for Shield players these days. Players are staying in the game longer and arguably are holding up places that used to be taken over by young players in the past. The same thing that is happenning to the test team seems to be happenning to our Shield teams and I wonder if it is holding up the next generation.

They talked about the "professional Shield player" that has evolved these days. Guys aged over 30 that will never make the test team but staying in the game much longer than they used to. Used to be by age 33 most cricketers were starting to retire as there was no money it for them unless they had prospects of playing for Australia. Now it seems they want to hang around as long as they can (and why wouldn't they) even if it means that have a 20 year first class career.

Then it's up to the selectors to tap them on the shoulder and tell them when their career is over.