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No No No No, this cant be happening
There are serious negotiations to scrap the SS final
Resaon Why
To accomodate the T20 league to avoid a close clash with the T20 Champions league


Robert Crash Legend Craddock report quotes :

CA has been advised to make the stunning call to axe the SS final
A first past the post winner would be the winner, with no final
A CA sub-committee has urged the ACB to scrap the final from next season to make way for the new expanded 20/20 comp
The board will also discuss playing 8 instead of 10 Ryobi Cup games per season

MALVIEW
It cant be happening, REB, Hawk, Roddy RooSTAR and a few others will be livid if this proposal eventuates
To replace a SS final with a meaningless money hungry bashathon infestation is bullcrapp
FFS play 20/20 occasionally, but it must never take over real cricket
NostraREBamus has been saying all along Tball cricket will be the ruination of traditional cricket
The SS final must stay
SS finals have unearthed 2 of the alltime greats of Australian Test teams
WATTO made a double ton in a SS final
gilCHRIST mnade that amazing 189 vrs SA in that epic final in the 90s

Cricket Australia, please dont do it

Surely not?! Thats just sickening!!!

mal wrote:No No No No, this cant be happening
There are serious negotiations to scrap the SS final
Resaon Why
To accomodate the T20 league to avoid a close clash with the T20 Champions league


Robert Crash Legend Craddock report quotes :

CA has been advised to make the stunning call to axe the SS final
A first past the post winner would be the winner, with no final
A CA sub-committee has urged the ACB to scrap the final from next season to make way for the new expanded 20/20 comp
The board will also discuss playing 8 instead of 10 Ryobi Cup games per season

MALVIEW
It cant be happening, REB, Hawk, Roddy RooSTAR and a few others will be livid if this proposal eventuates
To replace a SS final with a meaningless money hungry bashathon infestation is bullcrapp
FFS play 20/20 occasionally, but it must never take over real cricket
NostraREBamus has been saying all along Tball cricket will be the ruination of traditional cricket
The SS final must stay
SS finals have unearthed 2 of the alltime greats of Australian Test teams
WATTO made a double ton in a SS final
gilCHRIST mnade that amazing 189 vrs SA in that epic final in the 90s

Cricket Australia, please dont do it

There definitely needs to be a SS Final.
T20 is crap

CA has been advised to make the stunning call to axe the SS final
A first past the post winner would be the winner, with no final
A CA sub-committee has urged the ACB to scrap the final from next season to make way for the new expanded 20/20 comp
The board will also discuss playing 8 instead of 10 Ryobi Cup games per season

MALVIEW
It cant be happening, REB, Hawk, Roddy RooSTAR and a few others will be livid if this proposal eventuates
To replace a SS final with a meaningless money hungry bashathon infestation is bullcrapp
FFS play 20/20 occasionally, but it must never take over real cricket
NostraREBamus has been saying all along Tball cricket will be the ruination of traditional cricket
The SS final must stay
SS finals have unearthed 2 of the alltime greats of Australian Test teamsWATTO made a double ton in a SS final
gilCHRIST mnade that amazing 189 vrs SA in that epic final in the 90s

Cricket Australia, please dont do it[/quote]


Agree Mal the final must stay!!! But the Watto comment???? not even close.

Sounds like the Premier League where top of the table wins the premiership.
At least the best performing team for the year wins. That leaves the Redbacks out....

This is not new, the saca adopted this several years ago

The australian cricket team are shit at the longer version of the game so cricket australia has this brainwave to play LESS 4 day cricket and more meaningless t20's. Geniuses. No wonder we are the laughing stock of world cricket. Bring on zimbabwe. CA is ran by muppets.

Losfer Words (Big Orra)

regards,

REB

I would be sad to see it go too (especially to be replaced by meaningless 20/20 games), but is it really that surprising it is on the chopping block?

Have a look at the boring one-sided results from the last 5 years where on each occasion the home team has batted forever and never looked like losing. Unfortunately the longer form of the game is not really suited to being decided by a single game.

09/10 Vic d Qld by 457 runs
08/09 Vic set Qld 593 to win and match ends in draw
07/08 NSW set Vic 629 to win and win by 258 runs
06/07 Tas d NSW by 421 runs
05/06 Qld d Vic by innings and 354 runs (they made 6/900 in first innings)

592 is the lowest 4th innings target set to win!

And Mal, you can't say that Gilchrist and Watson wouldn't have gone on to become the star players they did if the Shield Final didn't exist.

Jim05 wrote:The australian cricket team are **** at the longer version of the game so cricket australia has this brainwave to play LESS 4 day cricket and more meaningless t20's. Geniuses. No wonder we are the laughing stock of world cricket. Bring on zimbabwe. CA is ran by muppets.

That's a bit harsh Jimbo, I don;t think we are ****, I think England are good, the standard of the opposition has increased around the world yet we have fallen behind a little, you can't dominate for twenty years and not get knocked off your perch eventually, it's back to the drawing board.

Ecky wrote:
And Mal, you can't say that Gilchrist and Watson wouldn't have gone on to become the star players they did if the Shield Final didn't exist.

He just did

Ecky wrote:I would be sad to see it go too (especially to be replaced by meaningless 20/20 games), but is it really that surprising it is on the chopping block?

Have a look at the boring one-sided results from the last 5 years where on each occasion the home team has batted forever and never looked like losing. Unfortunately the longer form of the game is not really suited to being decided by a single game.

09/10 Vic d Qld by 457 runs
08/09 Vic set Qld 593 to win and match ends in draw
07/08 NSW set Vic 629 to win and win by 258 runs
06/07 Tas d NSW by 421 runs
05/06 Qld d Vic by innings and 354 runs (they made 6/900 in first innings)

592 is the lowest 4th innings target set to win!

And Mal, you can't say that Gilchrist and Watson wouldn't have gone on to become the star players they did if the Shield Final didn't exist.

You get some one sided results becoz the decks are roads
It just seems curators are told to produce those decks as a draw is a win for the home team
But then again the top seeded side deserves an advantage of sorts, hence the home deck, an off course the flat decks

mal wrote:You get some one sided results becoz the decks are roads
It just seems curators are told to produce those decks as a draw is a win for the home team
But then again the top seeded side deserves an advantage of sorts, hence the home deck, an off course the flat decks

Correct, so there is no real way around the issue, is there?

I don't think it's a bad thing, by the time the final comes around cricket is usually redundant to the public anyway as there are no more international games going on in Australia. They seem to attract a crowd of around 7 on a good day aswell, maybe they should look at changing the points system a bit aswell, don't you get 6 points for an outright regardless of whether you won first innings points or not. Could see some more results manufactured and strategies developed.

Lightning McQueen wrote:I don't think it's a bad thing, by the time the final comes around cricket is usually redundant to the public anyway as there are no more international games going on in Australia. They seem to attract a crowd of around 7 on a good day aswell, maybe they should look at changing the points system a bit aswell, don't you get 6 points for an outright regardless of whether you won first innings points or not. Could see some more results manufactured and strategies developed.

Then we might as well cancel the entire Sheffield Shield! The Shield hasn't drawn a crowd for years but it's purpose is not to generate revenue but to prepare test players. That is why it's not a bad thing, it's a ******* BAD THING that Final is to be cancelled. For many players this match represents the toughest game of their careers. And we are going to scrap it to make more money to play teeball? It's an unbelievably short sighted decision which unfortunately does not surprise.

Rugby League is being run better than Cricket in this country at the moment.

regards,

REB

how long as the shield grand final been around ? as iirc this is a fairly new concept.....however off course it must stay, australian sporting tradition (not first past the post like soccer) is you have 'final' winner & 'runner up' etc etc

Unfortunately the posters on this threat are cricket followers, that is the real cricket and whilst we with the many hundreds attend and watch the Shield, the masses, in the modern way, seek instant gratification and a result in 3 hours. They voted (unfortunately) with their feet last year with the big numbers at the 20/20 matches. The decision is purely based on money. I must admit I sat amongst the masses last year at Adelaide Oval and watched with admiration the exploits of Pollard, Afridi and co., but I agree with all, that doesn't make it right.

My first reaction was the standard outrage yet Ecky raises some valid points about recent finals. Unless they are prepared to play a final with an even opportunity for each team to win (ie, no draw - a result must happen even if it's based on points) then we'll get home cricket associations preparing roads for their home team to bat for 3 and 1/2 days and get 900 runs.

If the second placed team wins I feel it's not the right result anyway. As someone said, 4 day games don't lend themselves easily to finals. Remember too we had 100 years (?) of state first class cricket without a final. If it's being dropped because of a money-making gimick (20-20) we could argue that the concept of a Shield final was itself borne of similar ideas.

I'd prefer it stay but with some changes as per my past paragraph. If you go over the history of the early finals you'll see some memorable games worthy of the status of a Shield final. Then compare those games to those over the last 10 years. Those early games often included all the state's test players making it a real end of season spectacle. It's lost it's way now I feel. If it hadn't, it wouldn't be considered expendable.

There'd still be 30 shield games each season, instead of 31 with the 31st most times recently being a pointless, boring draw and poor advertisement for the Shield.

Just some alternative points of view.

I think they need to change the rules of the final as mostly they are so boring.