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Tim Ludeman must be given the gloves for South Australia. Time for a sweep out now of the old and Ludeman is probably the Best Keeper and Batsman between the two as it now stands. Another Century to Ludeman as an opening batsman in Grade Cricket on Saturday, when the pitches were made for Bowlers and perhaps even a better gloveman than Manou. Time for the change NOW Jellyback selectors and look to the future. You have a guy here who after Paine is equal with Wade from Victoria as the next best Keeper or most likely to play for Australia in years to come. 21 Years of age and time on his side. Move Jellyback selectors and quick before another State comes and grabs him as has been the case with Harris and Cosgrove and others in recent years. Don't think Ludeman, has failed at any stage when playing for SA in the past with bat or gloves and time is up for Manou. While on Keepers Wade from Victoria (ex Tasmanian) is a gun and in the next 3 or so years might be the one to replace Haddin. Give Ludeman a chance to be alongside Wade when they think of the new Australian Keeper after Haddin, as Manou's best days are well behind him.

A century in adelaide grade cricket. definitely cause to get rid of the best gloveman in australia based on that performance???

I think Manou is still a better gloveman than Ludeman FWIW... Having said that....

Paine/Manou/Hartley are all better glovemen than Haddin, it's just that Haddin is superior as a bat (and Paine is fast approaching him).

Ludeman is a superior batsman IMHO, and a GOOD ENOUGH keeper...

SA need a better batting option, with bits and pieces guys around that 7-8 slot, and it'd be better for them to get Ludeman in now.

If Manou had batted only at 7 (instead of trying to bat in the top 6 like he has) over the past 2 years this probably wouldnt even be an issue.

cripple wrote:A century in adelaide grade cricket. definitely cause to get rid of the best gloveman in australia based on that performance???

And how many Grade Cricket centuries came from your willow? - As was also said should you have cared to read was that "Ludeman had yet to fail when playing for South Australia as a Batsman or Keeper"

Forget the sarcastic wit, as it is not necessary in this discussion . Look at facts and figures and it is sheer stupidity to suggest that "Manou is STILL the best gloveman in Australia" as he is way down the order these days.

Time for a change to have Ludeman ready to challenge Wade in 3 or so years to come. Lets face it - the job of State Cricket its to get the best players playing for Australia as well, not just be insular and worry about ourselves. This guy along with Wade and Paine are good enough IMO to take over from Haddin at some stage down the track

curlyhead wrote:

cripple wrote:A century in adelaide grade cricket. definitely cause to get rid of the best gloveman in australia based on that performance???

And how many Grade Cricket centuries came from your willow? - As was also said should you have cared to read was that "Ludeman had yet to fail when playing for South Australia as a Batsman or Keeper"

Forget the sarcastic wit, as it is not necessary in this discussion . Look at facts and figures and it is sheer stupidity to suggest that "Manou is STILL the best gloveman in Australia" as he is way down the order these days.

Time for a change to have Ludeman ready to challenge Wade in 3 or so years to come. Lets face it - the job of State Cricket its to get the best players playing for Australia as well, not just be insular and worry about ourselves. This guy along with Wade and Paine are good enough IMO to take over from Haddin at some stage down the track

I have scored no centuries, hence why i am not pushing for selection with the redbacks, very petty retort. As has been stated before countless times, the standard of adelaide grade cricket is not the level it should be and i will admit i don't know the attack that Ludeman was facing, but chances are it was highly inferior to that he would face at SS level. In regards to your call " time for change" why change for changes sake. If Ludeman was to get found out at this early stage of his career, which is highly possible, the potential to cause more harm then good in the long term is definitely there. This damage could well affect Ludeman, Manou and most importantly the Redbacks.
If Ludeman can follow this ton up with a couple more in the next 4-6 weeks, then the calls for his inclusion will start to carry more weight. Until then the Redbacks have one of, if not the best glovemen in australia behind the stumps. It was a little more then 12 months ago he was deemed good enough to play for australia and you dont lose that talent overnight. One of the many problems with australian cricket at the moment is supporters, analysts and selectors are far to concerned with someones "potential" rather then the runs they have actually put on the board.

i think the fact that SA are trying to bat manou in the top 6 is a mistake but he is defaintly the best glovemen we have and nearly the best in australia IMO but he is a number 7 or 8 batsmen so why are we batting him at 5 or 6 and ahead of obrien which to me is just stupid.

curlyhead wrote:Tim Ludeman must be given the gloves for South Australia. Time for a sweep out now of the old and Ludeman is probably the Best Keeper and Batsman between the two as it now stands. Another Century to Ludeman as an opening batsman in Grade Cricket on Saturday, when the pitches were made for Bowlers and perhaps even a better gloveman than Manou. Time for the change NOW Jellyback selectors and look to the future. You have a guy here who after Paine is equal with Wade from Victoria as the next best Keeper or most likely to play for Australia in years to come. 21 Years of age and time on his side. Move Jellyback selectors and quick before another State comes and grabs him as has been the case with Harris and Cosgrove and others in recent years. Don't think Ludeman, has failed at any stage when playing for SA in the past with bat or gloves and time is up for Manou. While on Keepers Wade from Victoria (ex Tasmanian) is a gun and in the next 3 or so years might be the one to replace Haddin. Give Ludeman a chance to be alongside Wade when they think of the new Australian Keeper after Haddin, as Manou's best days are well behind him.

Actually it was his first since coming over from Victoria.

Ludeman made 104 runs from 8 matches (avg 14.9) last season for Port Adelaide with a highest score of 46.

This season he has made 134 runs (which includes his 117 yesterday).

Hardly seems to be banging on the door too hard.

bloods08 wrote:

curlyhead wrote:Tim Ludeman must be given the gloves for South Australia. Time for a sweep out now of the old and Ludeman is probably the Best Keeper and Batsman between the two as it now stands. Another Century to Ludeman as an opening batsman in Grade Cricket on Saturday, when the pitches were made for Bowlers and perhaps even a better gloveman than Manou. Time for the change NOW Jellyback selectors and look to the future. You have a guy here who after Paine is equal with Wade from Victoria as the next best Keeper or most likely to play for Australia in years to come. 21 Years of age and time on his side. Move Jellyback selectors and quick before another State comes and grabs him as has been the case with Harris and Cosgrove and others in recent years. Don't think Ludeman, has failed at any stage when playing for SA in the past with bat or gloves and time is up for Manou. While on Keepers Wade from Victoria (ex Tasmanian) is a gun and in the next 3 or so years might be the one to replace Haddin. Give Ludeman a chance to be alongside Wade when they think of the new Australian Keeper after Haddin, as Manou's best days are well behind him.

Actually it was his first since coming over from Victoria.

Ludeman made 104 runs from 8 matches (avg 14.9) last season for Port Adelaide with a highest score of 46.

This season he has made 134 runs (which includes his 117 yesterday).

Hardly seems to be banging on the door too hard.

Spot on.

plenty of blokes toil away for years and don't even get a look in to the State side. Ludeman waltzes in from over the border plays a couple of FC games due to the incumbent injured. Makes 1 hundred admittedly in tough conditions yesterday and someone is calling for him to be the new no.1. maybe you could make that statement after he has had a 500 run plus season.

cripple wrote:

curlyhead wrote:

cripple wrote:A century in adelaide grade cricket. definitely cause to get rid of the best gloveman in australia based on that performance???

I have scored no centuries, hence why i am not pushing for selection with the redbacks, very petty retort.

Maybe the correct to CH should have been..."how many SA selection panels have you been on".

curlyhead wrote:Tim Ludeman must be given the gloves for South Australia. Time for a sweep out now of the old and Ludeman is probably the Best Keeper and Batsman between the two as it now stands. Another Century to Ludeman as an opening batsman in Grade Cricket on Saturday, when the pitches were made for Bowlers and perhaps even a better gloveman than Manou. Time for the change NOW Jellyback selectors and look to the future. You have a guy here who after Paine is equal with Wade from Victoria as the next best Keeper or most likely to play for Australia in years to come. 21 Years of age and time on his side. Move Jellyback selectors and quick before another State comes and grabs him as has been the case with Harris and Cosgrove and others in recent years. Don't think Ludeman, has failed at any stage when playing for SA in the past with bat or gloves and time is up for Manou. While on Keepers Wade from Victoria (ex Tasmanian) is a gun and in the next 3 or so years might be the one to replace Haddin. Give Ludeman a chance to be alongside Wade when they think of the new Australian Keeper after Haddin, as Manou's best days are well behind him.

CH, time to get your facts correct, Ludeman is 23 not 21, his ton was probably his second score over 50 in grade cricket since his arrival, but due to our great selectors he has played SACA cricket as a batsman, albeit in the last 1 day game batting at 9, looked out of his depth. His highest score for SA last year in Manou's absence was a couple of 60's. Before our great selectors decided to promote Manou up the order to impact Test selection, he had a 600+ season with the bat and yes, it got him a tour to England and a Test Match. Manou has consistently made runs every time he plays for Northern Districts. Put your Port Adelaide crap aside and look at the facts and quote them correctly. Oh and start a Tim Ludeman appreciation blog so you can contribute to it.

I appreciate Tim Ludeman, and although I haven't quite had the same pant-located explosion about him, I think if not by the end of this season, then definitely next, he needs to be SA's number one...

Bulls forever wrote:

curlyhead wrote:Tim Ludeman must be given the gloves for South Australia. Time for a sweep out now of the old and Ludeman is probably the Best Keeper and Batsman between the two as it now stands. Another Century to Ludeman as an opening batsman in Grade Cricket on Saturday, when the pitches were made for Bowlers and perhaps even a better gloveman than Manou. Time for the change NOW Jellyback selectors and look to the future. You have a guy here who after Paine is equal with Wade from Victoria as the next best Keeper or most likely to play for Australia in years to come. 21 Years of age and time on his side. Move Jellyback selectors and quick before another State comes and grabs him as has been the case with Harris and Cosgrove and others in recent years. Don't think Ludeman, has failed at any stage when playing for SA in the past with bat or gloves and time is up for Manou. While on Keepers Wade from Victoria (ex Tasmanian) is a gun and in the next 3 or so years might be the one to replace Haddin. Give Ludeman a chance to be alongside Wade when they think of the new Australian Keeper after Haddin, as Manou's best days are well behind him.

CH, time to get your facts correct, Ludeman is 23 not 21, his ton was probably his second score over 50 in grade cricket since his arrival, but due to our great selectors he has played SACA cricket as a batsman, albeit in the last 1 day game batting at 9, looked out of his depth. His highest score for SA last year in Manou's absence was a couple of 60's. Before our great selectors decided to promote Manou up the order to impact Test selection, he had a 600+ season with the bat and yes, it got him a tour to England and a Test Match. Manou has consistently made runs every time he plays for Northern Districts. Put your Port Adelaide crap aside and look at the facts and quote them correctly. Oh and start a Tim Ludeman appreciation blog so you can contribute to it.

Sense a bit of jealously from the Angry Ant - er Bull who was not good enough to make it and now has a big complex about others who are good enough. Was always fun playing against Gullies and now know why. I know who is out of his depth

curlyhead wrote:

Bulls forever wrote:

curlyhead wrote:Tim Ludeman must be given the gloves for South Australia. Time for a sweep out now of the old and Ludeman is probably the Best Keeper and Batsman between the two as it now stands. Another Century to Ludeman as an opening batsman in Grade Cricket on Saturday, when the pitches were made for Bowlers and perhaps even a better gloveman than Manou. Time for the change NOW Jellyback selectors and look to the future. You have a guy here who after Paine is equal with Wade from Victoria as the next best Keeper or most likely to play for Australia in years to come. 21 Years of age and time on his side. Move Jellyback selectors and quick before another State comes and grabs him as has been the case with Harris and Cosgrove and others in recent years. Don't think Ludeman, has failed at any stage when playing for SA in the past with bat or gloves and time is up for Manou. While on Keepers Wade from Victoria (ex Tasmanian) is a gun and in the next 3 or so years might be the one to replace Haddin. Give Ludeman a chance to be alongside Wade when they think of the new Australian Keeper after Haddin, as Manou's best days are well behind him.

CH, time to get your facts correct, Ludeman is 23 not 21, his ton was probably his second score over 50 in grade cricket since his arrival, but due to our great selectors he has played SACA cricket as a batsman, albeit in the last 1 day game batting at 9, looked out of his depth. His highest score for SA last year in Manou's absence was a couple of 60's. Before our great selectors decided to promote Manou up the order to impact Test selection, he had a 600+ season with the bat and yes, it got him a tour to England and a Test Match. Manou has consistently made runs every time he plays for Northern Districts. Put your Port Adelaide crap aside and look at the facts and quote them correctly. Oh and start a Tim Ludeman appreciation blog so you can contribute to it.

Sense a bit of jealously from the Angry Ant - er Bull who was not good enough to make it and now has a big complex about others who are good enough. Was always fun playing against Gullies and now know why. I know who is out of his depth

Avoiding the issue at hand is the first stp towards acceptance that you are wrong oh curly one. You have woke up on a sunday morning and had a quick flick through the advertiser and seen a ton from a keeper and decidied that was good enough to get him into the state team . He is not yet better then manou and when he is, he will get his go.

curlyhead wrote:

Bulls forever wrote:

curlyhead wrote:Tim Ludeman must be given the gloves for South Australia. Time for a sweep out now of the old and Ludeman is probably the Best Keeper and Batsman between the two as it now stands. Another Century to Ludeman as an opening batsman in Grade Cricket on Saturday, when the pitches were made for Bowlers and perhaps even a better gloveman than Manou. Time for the change NOW Jellyback selectors and look to the future. You have a guy here who after Paine is equal with Wade from Victoria as the next best Keeper or most likely to play for Australia in years to come. 21 Years of age and time on his side. Move Jellyback selectors and quick before another State comes and grabs him as has been the case with Harris and Cosgrove and others in recent years. Don't think Ludeman, has failed at any stage when playing for SA in the past with bat or gloves and time is up for Manou. While on Keepers Wade from Victoria (ex Tasmanian) is a gun and in the next 3 or so years might be the one to replace Haddin. Give Ludeman a chance to be alongside Wade when they think of the new Australian Keeper after Haddin, as Manou's best days are well behind him.

CH, time to get your facts correct, Ludeman is 23 not 21, his ton was probably his second score over 50 in grade cricket since his arrival, but due to our great selectors he has played SACA cricket as a batsman, albeit in the last 1 day game batting at 9, looked out of his depth. His highest score for SA last year in Manou's absence was a couple of 60's. Before our great selectors decided to promote Manou up the order to impact Test selection, he had a 600+ season with the bat and yes, it got him a tour to England and a Test Match. Manou has consistently made runs every time he plays for Northern Districts. Put your Port Adelaide crap aside and look at the facts and quote them correctly. Oh and start a Tim Ludeman appreciation blog so you can contribute to it.

Sense a bit of jealously from the Angry Ant - er Bull who was not good enough to make it and now has a big complex about others who are good enough. Was always fun playing against Gullies and now know why. I know who is out of his depth

Curly, you start a post to generate discussion on the Manou / Lunderman topic, you misquote facts that are easily researched (that is where you look things up to ensure they are correct) and then you go off on a tangent and try and turn this discussion into a slanging match. I will quote you some facts.

SA has a history of recruiting keepers to the state - Hendricks (NSW), Yagmich (WA), Wright (WA) all who became the SACA No. 1 in their stay, you would not of heard of any of them because none of them played for Pt Adelaide. Manou is out and out the best keeper SA has produced since Barry Jarman and he remains the best keeper in this State easily. He is around 31 and has 3 to 4 years of good cricket left in him. If Ludeman chooses to remain in this State for that period, his challenge for the keeping role will come from the current crop of youngsters, which we have plenty in Grade Cricket, unless of course Carey's football career stumbles (which I think it will) and he returns to cricket. He will then become the next in line, because he can seriously bat. He was, prior to Ludeman coming to SA the chosen one and Ludeman was only recruited when Carey committed to football. My suggestion to you is to get out of little closet, venture to Adelaide Oval and actually watch Manou wicketkeep, you won't know what you are looking at, but you can trust me that, his footwork and glovework is second to none, by a fair way, I say in this State because I haven't seen enough of other State keepers to comment. He covers the ground like no other. Any curlyhead if you wish to know who I am - pm me and I will tell you.

I posted this in December last year when I'd had enough of Manou

westcoastpanther wrote:This season

Manou 5 hits = 90 runs
Ludeman 1 hit = 62 runs

Bulls forever wrote:

curlyhead wrote:

Bulls forever wrote:

curlyhead wrote:Tim Ludeman must be given the gloves for South Australia. Time for a sweep out now of the old and Ludeman is probably the Best Keeper and Batsman between the two as it now stands. Another Century to Ludeman as an opening batsman in Grade Cricket on Saturday, when the pitches were made for Bowlers and perhaps even a better gloveman than Manou. Time for the change NOW Jellyback selectors and look to the future. You have a guy here who after Paine is equal with Wade from Victoria as the next best Keeper or most likely to play for Australia in years to come. 21 Years of age and time on his side. Move Jellyback selectors and quick before another State comes and grabs him as has been the case with Harris and Cosgrove and others in recent years. Don't think Ludeman, has failed at any stage when playing for SA in the past with bat or gloves and time is up for Manou. While on Keepers Wade from Victoria (ex Tasmanian) is a gun and in the next 3 or so years might be the one to replace Haddin. Give Ludeman a chance to be alongside Wade when they think of the new Australian Keeper after Haddin, as Manou's best days are well behind him.

CH, time to get your facts correct, Ludeman is 23 not 21, his ton was probably his second score over 50 in grade cricket since his arrival, but due to our great selectors he has played SACA cricket as a batsman, albeit in the last 1 day game batting at 9, looked out of his depth. His highest score for SA last year in Manou's absence was a couple of 60's. Before our great selectors decided to promote Manou up the order to impact Test selection, he had a 600+ season with the bat and yes, it got him a tour to England and a Test Match. Manou has consistently made runs every time he plays for Northern Districts. Put your Port Adelaide crap aside and look at the facts and quote them correctly. Oh and start a Tim Ludeman appreciation blog so you can contribute to it.

Sense a bit of jealously from the Angry Ant - er Bull who was not good enough to make it and now has a big complex about others who are good enough. Was always fun playing against Gullies and now know why. I know who is out of his depth

Curly, you start a post to generate discussion on the Manou / Lunderman topic, you misquote facts that are easily researched (that is where you look things up to ensure they are correct) and then you go off on a tangent and try and turn this discussion into a slanging match. I will quote you some facts.

SA has a history of recruiting keepers to the state - Hendricks (NSW), Yagmich (WA), Wright (WA) all who became the SACA No. 1 in their stay, you would not of heard of any of them because none of them played for Pt Adelaide. Manou is out and out the best keeper SA has produced since Barry Jarman and he remains the best keeper in this State easily. He is around 31 and has 3 to 4 years of good cricket left in him. If Ludeman chooses to remain in this State for that period, his challenge for the keeping role will come from the current crop of youngsters, which we have plenty in Grade Cricket, unless of course Carey's football career stumbles (which I think it will) and he returns to cricket. He will then become the next in line, because he can seriously bat. He was, prior to Ludeman coming to SA the chosen one and Ludeman was only recruited when Carey committed to football. My suggestion to you is to get out of little closet, venture to Adelaide Oval and actually watch Manou wicketkeep, you won't know what you are looking at, but you can trust me that, his footwork and glovework is second to none, by a fair way, I say in this State because I haven't seen enough of other State keepers to comment. He covers the ground like no other. Any curlyhead if you wish to know who I am - pm me and I will tell you.

Very valid points,

BUT

One question- is his keeping alone enough to warrant his spot in the side?

I dont know enough about either players performances outside of state cricket to make major judgement, just thought i would ask the question though.

CH, time to get your facts correct, Ludeman is 23 not 21, his ton was probably his second score over 50 in grade cricket since his arrival, but due to our great selectors he has played SACA cricket as a batsman, albeit in the last 1 day game batting at 9, looked out of his depth. His highest score for SA last year in Manou's absence was a couple of 60's. Before our great selectors decided to promote Manou up the order to impact Test selection, he had a 600+ season with the bat and yes, it got him a tour to England and a Test Match. Manou has consistently made runs every time he plays for Northern Districts. Put your Port Adelaide crap aside and look at the facts and quote them correctly. Oh and start a Tim Ludeman appreciation blog so you can contribute to it.

Sense a bit of jealously from the Angry Ant - er Bull who was not good enough to make it and now has a big complex about others who are good enough. Was always fun playing against Gullies and now know why. I know who is out of his depth [/quote]

Curly, you start a post to generate discussion on the Manou / Lunderman topic, you misquote facts that are easily researched (that is where you look things up to ensure they are correct) and then you go off on a tangent and try and turn this discussion into a slanging match. I will quote you some facts.

SA has a history of recruiting keepers to the state - Hendricks (NSW), Yagmich (WA), Wright (WA) all who became the SACA No. 1 in their stay, you would not of heard of any of them because none of them played for Pt Adelaide. Manou is out and out the best keeper SA has produced since Barry Jarman and he remains the best keeper in this State easily. He is around 31 and has 3 to 4 years of good cricket left in him. If Ludeman chooses to remain in this State for that period, his challenge for the keeping role will come from the current crop of youngsters, which we have plenty in Grade Cricket, unless of course Carey's football career stumbles (which I think it will) and he returns to cricket. He will then become the next in line, because he can seriously bat. He was, prior to Ludeman coming to SA the chosen one and Ludeman was only recruited when Carey committed to football. My suggestion to you is to get out of little closet, venture to Adelaide Oval and actually watch Manou wicketkeep, you won't know what you are looking at, but you can trust me that, his footwork and glovework is second to none, by a fair way, I say in this State because I haven't seen enough of other State keepers to comment. He covers the ground like no other. Any curlyhead if you wish to know who I am - pm me and I will tell you.[/quote]

Very valid points,

BUT

One question- is his keeping alone enough to warrant his spot in the side?

I dont know enough about either players performances outside of state cricket to make major judgement, just thought i would ask the question though.[/quote][/quote]

Manou is a better Gloveman and Batsman than Ludeman.... end of story!

and Curlyhead i think you will find that Bulls forever has more than enough playing credentials to know a bit about who is a better keeper

Manou OUT first ball at the GABBA, geez his keeping must be bloody magnificent.

Manou along with Adcock would have to be among the worst top 6 batsmen ever to don the Redbacks cap.

Notice to the Selectors.

The experiment of playing Manou as a top 6 batsmen has failed dismally in recent seasons and yet you idiots continue with it. DUMB DUMB DUMB.

It's not as if the top 5 batsmen are Phillips, Nobes, Blewett, Lehmann & Hookes where you would get away with it.