Bring back the triangular one-day series

[westozfalcon]

I reckon Cricket Australia should revert to the triangular one-day international series formula.
Apparently the rationale behind ditching it was that nobody wanted to watch neutral teams playing each other. But this summer in particular I think the opposite would be true.

Having a few Pakistan v West Indies games on the itinerary would have made the cricket much more interesting.

With so many people being seduced by T-20 cricket the last thing the 50-over format needed was two series' of boring games in which Australia battered hapless opponents into submission.

[rockstar]

I reckon Cricket Australia should revert to the triangular one-day international series formula.
Apparently the rationale behind ditching it was that nobody wanted to watch neutral teams playing each other. But this summer in particular I think the opposite would be true.

Having a few Pakistan v West Indies games on the itinerary would have made the cricket much more interesting.

With so many people being seduced by T-20 cricket the last thing the 50-over format needed was two series' of boring games in which Australia battered hapless opponents into submission.

i agree.

more than that i would love to see an Aus "A' side compete again, would be a beauty!!

[ORDoubleBlues]

Another reason it was taken away was in the modern cricket world it wasn't considered fair to keep two nations tied up here for a month when they may have already been here for a test series and may still have 2 or 3 mathces at the end to play when they have no chance of making the finals plus CA didn't like the fact of two other nations playing in front of sparse crowds that was going to impact on their profits.

[spell_check]

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What I said a couple of years ago hasn't changed for me. ORDB, I think there should be some seasons the three way series should happen; England touring is one of them.
These were the crowds for the last time England were here:
12 1 2007 Aus Eng M.C.G Melbourne 78625
14 1 2007 Aus N.Z Bellerive Oval Hobart 15690
16 1 2007 Eng N.Z Bellerive Oval Hobart 6545
19 1 2007 Aus Eng Gabba Brisbane 38823
21 1 2007 Aus N.Z S.C.G Sydney 36269
23 1 2007 Eng N.Z Adelaide Oval Adelaide 12319
26 1 2007 Aus Eng Adelaide Oval Adelaide 27068
28 1 2007 Aus N.Z W.A.C.A Perth 20475
30 1 2007 Eng N.Z W.A.C.A Perth 11294
2 2 2007 Aus Eng S.C.G Sydney 34928
4 2 2007 Aus N.Z M.C.G Melbourne 48124
6 2 2007 Eng N.Z Gabba Brisbane 16528
9 2 2007 Aus Eng M.C.G Melbourne 38858
11 2 2007 Aus Eng S.C.G Sydney 40076

[bayman]

i agree, i can't believe they got rid of it in the first place

[heater31]

I think the major stumbling block is when the visiting sides play each other.

Not only does the profits tumble it places other pressures on the team. For example for each neutral game the Home nation owes each side a game at their home. Effectively if there are 3 neutral games Australia ends up playing 6 ODI's to square the ledger.


This year we have suffered by having two sub-standard teams visiting for the summer and have the home side has gone through the summer undefeated.

[westozfalcon]

Not only does the profits tumble it places other pressures on the team. For example for each neutral game the Home nation owes each side a game at their home. Effectively if there are 3 neutral games Australia ends up playing 6 ODI's to square the ledger.


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Heater you've lost me here, can you explain?

[heater31]

Not only does the profits tumble it places other pressures on the team. For example for each neutral game the Home nation owes each side a game at their home. Effectively if there are 3 neutral games Australia ends up playing 6 ODI's to square the ledger.


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Heater you've lost me here, can you explain?

for each neutral game played the Host Nation owes the competing nations a game at their home.

Example England and South Africa Tour Australia one year and play each other 3 times on Australian soil then Australia must play England 3 times in England and South Africa 3 times in South Africa

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Give or take a few games here or there, but it pretty much works to that effect.

Unfortunately, I think the Triangular ODI series in Australia is dead and buried, especially now with the uprising of T20.

[mighty_tiger_79]

could Australia/New Zealand perhaps hold a mini 50 over comp over our summer to try and generate some interest.....

South Africa well they will stay home for their own summer, but if the aussies are playing 2 nations, add the kiwis and their oponent and you have a 5 team comp.

[spell_check]

Since when did owing countries ODIs matter though? If it did, why aren't we playing 7 matches a year in the West Indies for all those times they were here in the 80s and 90s?

[gadj1976]

One problem is there are too many meaningless ODI's. These 'best of 5' series are completely meaningless because we're not competing for anything meaningful. If the World Series Cup was resurrected, and it meant something in the cricketing community, then yep, bring a triangular series on!

[FlyingHigh]

One problem is there are too many meaningless ODI's. These 'best of 5' series are completely meaningless because we're not competing for anything meaningful. If the World Series Cup was resurrected, and it meant something in the cricketing community, then yep, bring a triangular series on!

This is right gadj, but then the triangular series lacks meaning too, because only Australia play every year, and so it's not as if a team can get their revenge, like in say a footy premiership.

I'd like to see a tri-nations style series between South Africa, NZ and Aus held every second year. Play each team three times in each country, ie 12 qualifying games, and then maybe a best of 3 or 5 finals series in the country that finishes top.
The games could be played in a couple if blocks either side of the test season of Dec-Jan.
Potentially up to 15 one-dayers, so it is quite a number, but then again we have been in India, then our home summer since Nov, then back to NZ.
This would create a perpetual trophy teams would strive to win back from the others. It is also based on strong rivalries, which I think would help to enhance its' authenticity. Hopefully these factors would help recapture the public imagination and interest in ODI's.

[gadj1976]

One problem is there are too many meaningless ODI's. These 'best of 5' series are completely meaningless because we're not competing for anything meaningful. If the World Series Cup was resurrected, and it meant something in the cricketing community, then yep, bring a triangular series on!

This is right gadj, but then the triangular series lacks meaning too, because only Australia play every year, and so it's not as if a team can get their revenge, like in say a footy premiership.

Exactly FH, you've summed up my point pretty well there. I said "if it meant something" and I doubt in this day and age, with so much meaningless cricket being played whether it will.

If these 20/20 comps keep getting played at a phenomenal rate, they too will become outdated. But I think that will happen more quickly than it took for ODI's to become "boring" (not my words - I'm still enjoying ODI's just not the current series involving Australia).

[spell_check]

One problem is there are too many meaningless ODI's. These 'best of 5' series are completely meaningless because we're not competing for anything meaningful. If the World Series Cup was resurrected, and it meant something in the cricketing community, then yep, bring a triangular series on!

This is right gadj, but then the triangular series lacks meaning too, because only Australia play every year, and so it's not as if a team can get their revenge, like in say a footy premiership.

Exactly FH, you've summed up my point pretty well there. I said "if it meant something" and I doubt in this day and age, with so much meaningless cricket being played whether it will.

If these 20/20 comps keep getting played at a phenomenal rate, they too will become outdated. But I think that will happen more quickly than it took for ODI's to become "boring" (not my words - I'm still enjoying ODI's just not the current series involving Australia).

To get a truly captivating and potentially close series, you need England and one of South Africa and India to make the three, IMO.

Edit: And get rid of the all dark green strip!

[gadj1976]

One problem is there are too many meaningless ODI's. These 'best of 5' series are completely meaningless because we're not competing for anything meaningful. If the World Series Cup was resurrected, and it meant something in the cricketing community, then yep, bring a triangular series on!

This is right gadj, but then the triangular series lacks meaning too, because only Australia play every year, and so it's not as if a team can get their revenge, like in say a footy premiership.

Exactly FH, you've summed up my point pretty well there. I said "if it meant something" and I doubt in this day and age, with so much meaningless cricket being played whether it will.

If these 20/20 comps keep getting played at a phenomenal rate, they too will become outdated. But I think that will happen more quickly than it took for ODI's to become "boring" (not my words - I'm still enjoying ODI's just not the current series involving Australia).

To get a truly captivating and potentially close series, you need England and one of South Africa and India to make the three, IMO.

Edit: And get rid of the all dark green strip!

I think what we're effective saying is that AUSTRALIA is making ODI's boring. I agree Spelly, but I think a series between the three would be a cracker!!!!!

[FlyingHigh]

One problem is there are too many meaningless ODI's. These 'best of 5' series are completely meaningless because we're not competing for anything meaningful. If the World Series Cup was resurrected, and it meant something in the cricketing community, then yep, bring a triangular series on!

This is right gadj, but then the triangular series lacks meaning too, because only Australia play every year, and so it's not as if a team can get their revenge, like in say a footy premiership.

Exactly FH, you've summed up my point pretty well there. I said "if it meant something" and I doubt in this day and age, with so much meaningless cricket being played whether it will.

If these 20/20 comps keep getting played at a phenomenal rate, they too will become outdated. But I think that will happen more quickly than it took for ODI's to become "boring" (not my words - I'm still enjoying ODI's just not the current series involving Australia).

No worries, misread your post slightly. Unfortunately I believe the World Series Cup as it was has become unmeaningful.

Hopefully there is a good chance that the 20-20's may become outdated - they are playing them at a far greater rate than the ODI's were in the 80's.

[gadj1976]

One problem is there are too many meaningless ODI's. These 'best of 5' series are completely meaningless because we're not competing for anything meaningful. If the World Series Cup was resurrected, and it meant something in the cricketing community, then yep, bring a triangular series on!

This is right gadj, but then the triangular series lacks meaning too, because only Australia play every year, and so it's not as if a team can get their revenge, like in say a footy premiership.

Exactly FH, you've summed up my point pretty well there. I said "if it meant something" and I doubt in this day and age, with so much meaningless cricket being played whether it will.

If these 20/20 comps keep getting played at a phenomenal rate, they too will become outdated. But I think that will happen more quickly than it took for ODI's to become "boring" (not my words - I'm still enjoying ODI's just not the current series involving Australia).

No worries, misread your post slightly. Unfortunately I believe the World Series Cup as it was has become unmeaningful.

Hopefully there is a good chance that the 20-20's may become outdated - they are playing them at a far greater rate than the ODI's were in the 80's.

The thing marketers hang their hat on is that 20/20 is over quickly for people who are busy. Given that we're only going to get busier, what's the next big thing?? T10? F5? I just don't get it. You need to have a sustainable business case for this format to survive and personally I can't see "flogging it to death" is the answer. Anyway, this whole season has reinvigorated my interest in Test Cricket. Bring on the Ashes.

[FlyingHigh]

One problem is there are too many meaningless ODI's. These 'best of 5' series are completely meaningless because we're not competing for anything meaningful. If the World Series Cup was resurrected, and it meant something in the cricketing community, then yep, bring a triangular series on!

This is right gadj, but then the triangular series lacks meaning too, because only Australia play every year, and so it's not as if a team can get their revenge, like in say a footy premiership.

Exactly FH, you've summed up my point pretty well there. I said "if it meant something" and I doubt in this day and age, with so much meaningless cricket being played whether it will.

If these 20/20 comps keep getting played at a phenomenal rate, they too will become outdated. But I think that will happen more quickly than it took for ODI's to become "boring" (not my words - I'm still enjoying ODI's just not the current series involving Australia).

To get a truly captivating and potentially close series, you need England and one of South Africa and India to make the three, IMO.

Edit: And get rid of the all dark green strip!

Agree that India and England would hold more appeal, but you wouldn't get them to commit every second year, given they are also in demand by other countries, and you can't play in England at this time of year.

We seem to be committed to playing the Chappell-Hadlee trophy every second year, so I guess my idea was an extension of that and trying to make it more meaningful. Plus we have a strong sporting rivalry in other sports with them, esp Union and Netball. Also, don't underestimate the desire of NZ to knock off the Aussies.

[FlyingHigh]

[quote="gadj1976

The thing marketers hang their hat on is that 20/20 is over quickly for people who are busy. Given that we're only going to get busier, what's the next big thing?? T10? F5? I just don't get it. You need to have a sustainable business case for this format to survive and personally I can't see "flogging it to death" is the answer. Anyway, this whole season has reinvigorated my interest in Test Cricket. Bring on the Ashes.[/quote]

Agree. There were three great tests and one good one (Melbourne) this year. The Brisbane one was a flogging, but with some great individual efforts on each side, and unfortunately the Hobart one was the typical "formula" we've seen from the Aussies so often over the last 20 years.