by redandblack » Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:55 am
by MightyEagles » Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:16 am
by jackpot jim » Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:27 am
by redandblack » Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:51 am
by jackpot jim » Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:44 pm
redandblack wrote:That's right, jj.
It should be required reading for any captain.
Those who ignore it don't deserve to be captain.
by locky801 » Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:51 pm
by jackpot jim » Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:02 pm
locky801 wrote:What was the actual Manou/Hussey incident
by bayman » Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:56 pm
jackpot jim wrote:locky801 wrote:What was the actual Manou/Hussey incident
Manou and Cosgrove gave Hussey a spray when he got out that Hussey took offence to. Hussey then took up his greiveances with the Redback coach Mark Sorrell until Jeff Vaughan stepped in to diffuse the situation.
Apparently Hussey has been giving it to Manou and Cosgrove in recent matches and this was their chance to give a bit back.
by Adelaide Hawk » Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:29 pm
jackpot jim wrote:locky801 wrote:Apparently Hussey has been giving it to Manou and Cosgrove in recent matches and this was their chance to give a bit back.
by Adelaide Hawk » Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:40 pm
redandblack wrote:To indulge in cheating or any sharp practice, for instance:
(a) to appeal knowing that the batsman is not out
by dedja » Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:09 pm
by brod » Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:27 pm
jackpot jim wrote:locky801 wrote:What was the actual Manou/Hussey incident
Manou and Cosgrove gave Hussey a spray when he got out that Hussey took offence to. Hussey then took up his greiveances with the Redback coach Mark Sorrell until Jeff Vaughan stepped in to diffuse the situation.
Apparently Hussey has been giving it to Manou and Cosgrove in recent matches and this was their chance to give a bit back.
by JK » Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:50 pm
Adelaide Hawk wrote:redandblack wrote:To indulge in cheating or any sharp practice, for instance:
(a) to appeal knowing that the batsman is not out
I'm glad this has been referred to as cheating, because that's precisely what it is. People carry on about a batsman not walking as a cheat, but it's quite okay for a bowler or fielding team to exert enough pressure on an umpire in an attempt to force him to make an incorrect decision.
This is something that has crept into the game over the past couple of decades and has reached epidemic proportions. I'd love to see some form of penalty introduced for ridiculous appealing.
by smithy » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:16 am
brod wrote:jackpot jim wrote:locky801 wrote:What was the actual Manou/Hussey incident
Manou and Cosgrove gave Hussey a spray when he got out that Hussey took offence to. Hussey then took up his greiveances with the Redback coach Mark Sorrell until Jeff Vaughan stepped in to diffuse the situation.
Apparently Hussey has been giving it to Manou and Cosgrove in recent matches and this was their chance to give a bit back.
Hussey wouldnt shake hands with Manou after the game, just pushed it away
by Adelaide Hawk » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:19 am
by JK » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:35 am
Adelaide Hawk wrote:Maybe Dedja is right, perhaps the umpire should just say "not out stupid" and get on with it.
by redandblack » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:26 am
by dedja » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:48 am
Constance_Perm wrote:Adelaide Hawk wrote:Maybe Dedja is right, perhaps the umpire should just say "not out stupid" and get on with it.
It's a fair question, and one which has a lot of merit ... There's a lot to be said for zero tolerance umpires (in any sport) that are tough enough to stand their ground, yet all sports die without umpires and regardless of personal characteristic's, it should be their ability to adjudicate that earns them a gig.
Surely the problem (or at least a fair chunk of it) lies with the governing bodies not utilizing strict enough controls on dissent or any form of breaching of desired player code of conduct?
by FlyingHigh » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:07 pm
dedja wrote:Constance_Perm wrote:Adelaide Hawk wrote:Maybe Dedja is right, perhaps the umpire should just say "not out stupid" and get on with it.
It's a fair question, and one which has a lot of merit ... There's a lot to be said for zero tolerance umpires (in any sport) that are tough enough to stand their ground, yet all sports die without umpires and regardless of personal characteristic's, it should be their ability to adjudicate that earns them a gig.
Surely the problem (or at least a fair chunk of it) lies with the governing bodies not utilizing strict enough controls on dissent or any form of breaching of desired player code of conduct?
Maybe it's me being old fashioned but the governing bodies are taking away responsibility from the umpires and the umps themselves are seen to be too afraid to umpire ... for eg. an umpire won't give an obvious run out in 'cause he's too scared to be seen on the big screen as wrong. The best umpires (I would think in any sport) are the ones that command respect by giving strong decisions (and sometimes they are wrong) but can do it with authority. They talk to the players and let them know who's in charge (discretely without being the centre of attention a la the AFL)
So in the case of excessive appealing, what I would love to see (and I'm sure it would have happened 30 years ago) is the umpire telling the players to tone it down and that because of their stupid appealing then next 60-40 (as a 50-50 should be in favour of the batsman anyway) isn't going their way. With stump mikes and the extensive TV coverage the umpire wouldn't be able to do that now and even worse, the fielding team can call for the 3rd umpire to reverse the decision.
Who'd be an umpire these days? ...
by JK » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:26 pm
dedja wrote:The best umpires (I would think in any sport) are the ones that command respect by giving strong decisions (and sometimes they are wrong) but can do it with authority.
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