Jimmy wrote:to me murali has never taken a ******* wicket...dead set chucka...even tho he doesnt bend it the level warranted to be a called a throw, its still as far as he can bend it medically.
warne is the greatest spinner in the world

Murali, chucker end of story. ICC weak as piss change the rules to 15 degrees so he can be accomodated.....
Having said that I recken all orthodox spinners are cheats when they bowl the toppy and doosra (particularly the doosra)
You have to bend the elbow so you can get the wrist around, you can't tell me that when he was tired MAysie didn't throw the odd toppy.
Orthodox spinners have to "cheat" as at the top level now to just bowl an orthodox break and arm ball you are going to get caned. So you have to variations of a toppy and doosra to put doubt in the batsmans mind. FWIW I lnow they are teaching the chest on orthodox style (i.e. cheating method) at the CBCE now.
You should have heard McGrath and LAnger in 2004 when Murali wouldn't come to Austalia. Dyson had come into our rooms (NT CM XI) to discuss a declaration to set up the 4 day game prior to the 1st test once it had been sorted the convereation went like this:
Pidg "So what teh **** is happening is Murali coming over or not"
Dyson "Ah um I don't know, he is still making a decision, he hates the abuse he gets here",
Pidge, "Tell him if he doesn't come here he is as weak as piss, if you don't tell him next time I see him I will, The crowd is nothing you should see the shit Warnie puts up with when has to go to England"
JL " Dyso, it is not on, he should be here to make it fair dinkum [your side needs him] - mate you should hear the crap that Warnie puts up with, Sumo, fat bastard, who ate all the pies, his private life invasions by teh presss but he puts up with it, Murali is piss weak not coming here"