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what happened all those years ago when they got banned or something? mid 90's i think.....

i have never found out.

Read this brother:

In 1970, the ICC voted to suspend South Africa from international cricket indefinitely because of its government's policy of apartheid, an overtly racist policy, which led them to play only against the white nations (England, Australia, New Zealand), and field only white players. This decision excluded players such as Graeme Pollock, Barry Richards and Mike Procter from partaking in international Test Cricket. It would also cause the emigration of future stars like Allan Lamb and Robin Smith, who both played for England, and Kepler Wessels, who initially played for Australia, before returning to South Africa.

The ICC reinstated South Africa as a Test nation in 1991 after the deconstruction of apartheid, and the team played its first sanctioned match since 1970 (and its first ever One-Day International) against India in Calcutta on 10 November 1991.

Thank you compadre, that clears it all up!

hearts on fire wrote:Thank you compadre, that clears it all up!

What DO they teach you in school these days HOF?

The Ash Man wrote:

hearts on fire wrote:Thank you compadre, that clears it all up!

What DO they teach you in school these days HOF?

are you implying that i should have known about the South African issue, or are you stating my English isn't up to standard?

hearts on fire wrote:

The Ash Man wrote:

hearts on fire wrote:Thank you compadre, that clears it all up!

What DO they teach you in school these days HOF?

are you implying that i should have known about the South African issue, or are you stating my English isn't up to standard?

should have known about the South African issue
Maybe not SHOULD have but I thought u would learn about it at school
It was a pretty big thing

Nope we haven't heard anything about it at school, i have really only heard about it this summer.

I don't think many people my age know about it.

The Ash Man wrote:

hearts on fire wrote:

The Ash Man wrote:

hearts on fire wrote:Thank you compadre, that clears it all up!

What DO they teach you in school these days HOF?

are you implying that i should have known about the South African issue, or are you stating my English isn't up to standard?

should have known about the South African issue
Maybe not SHOULD have but I thought u would learn about it at school
It was a pretty big thing

I get the feeling the South African apartheid issue is rarely taught at school. I never recall it being taught at school, it's far more likely to be about the White Australia Policy instead.

Drop Bear wrote:Read this brother:

In 1970, the ICC voted to suspend South Africa from international cricket indefinitely because of its government's policy of apartheid, an overtly racist policy, which led them to play only against the white nations (England, Australia, New Zealand), and field only white players. This decision excluded players such as Graeme Pollock, Barry Richards and Mike Procter from partaking in international Test Cricket. It would also cause the emigration of future stars like Allan Lamb and Robin Smith, who both played for England, and Kepler Wessels, who initially played for Australia, before returning to South Africa.

The ICC reinstated South Africa as a Test nation in 1991 after the deconstruction of apartheid, and the team played its first sanctioned match since 1970 (and its first ever One-Day International) against India in Calcutta on 10 November 1991.

What really tipped the hand of the ICC was Englands 1968/69 tour cancellation by the South African PM because the MCC chose Basil D'Oliveria who was a Coloured South African. England and South Africa play for the "Basil D'Oliveria Trophy" in Test matches.

I reakon South Africa were going to tour Australia in 1971/72 even in 1971, however during that year, mass demonstrations and protests during the Springbok tour forced the cancellation of that.

spell_check wrote:
I reakon South Africa were going to tour Australia in 1971/72 even in 1971, however during that year, mass demonstrations and protests during the Springbok tour forced the cancellation of that.

I think that the Springboks toured the eastern states earlier in the year and witnessed mass protests the ACB had to bow to the political pressure

In fact, in the video "Cricket in the 70s" it has a few seconds of footage from one such demonstration at a night match at Norwood Oval.

The South African cricket team never toured here at all, as scheduled for 1971-72, and a World XI team, captained by Gary Sobers was arranged. We saw several South Africans playing for that team.

The scenes at Norwood Oval were from a Rugby Union match between South Africa and South Australia. I was there that night watching people running onto the ground in protest, lighting flares and throwing them onto the ground, etc. To a very young person, I hadn't grasped the gravity of apartheid at that time and was all very amused by the whole thing.

One major issue for the crowd that evening was the Sharpville Massacre of 1960 where South African police opened fire on a mass of black protestors, killing 69 people, and injuring a further 180.

From a cricket point of view, I lamented the fact I wasn't watching the Pollocks, Richards, Procter, etc, but as the years went by I appreciated that refusing to play international sport against South Africa was the best thing that could have happened.

People say sport and politics shouldn't mix ... but it does ... it has to.

Yeah that's what I meant, the protests and the disruption it caused the Rugby Union tour of 1971 led to the cancellation of the 1971/72 tour. There was a match from that Rugby tour on ABC2 a few years ago; at the SCG, and there was a police officer every two metres around the fence. It's far from an edible atmosphere to play a match in.

Adelaide Hawk wrote:The South African cricket team never toured here at all, as scheduled for 1971-72, and a World XI team, captained by Gary Sobers was arranged. We saw several South Africans playing for that team.

The scenes at Norwood Oval were from a Rugby Union match between South Africa and South Australia. I was there that night watching people running onto the ground in protest, lighting flares and throwing them onto the ground, etc. To a very young person, I hadn't grasped the gravity of apartheid at that time and was all very amused by the whole thing.

One major issue for the crowd that evening was the Sharpville Massacre of 1960 where South African police opened fire on a mass of black protestors, killing 69 people, and injuring a further 180.

From a cricket point of view, I lamented the fact I wasn't watching the Pollocks, Richards, Procter, etc, but as the years went by I appreciated that refusing to play international sport against South Africa was the best thing that could have happened.

People say sport and politics shouldn't mix ... but it does.

Good post AH. Sport and politics does mix regularly and occasionally for the better. In this case it was so. The world never got to see Pollock, Richards, Proctor etc. as much as otherwise we may have but it's a small price to pay. South Africa is far from perfect even now but enormous steps have been taken and hopefully continue to.

How about the South African Prime Minister of the day John Vorster, what a racist piece of garbage that man was. I feel ill every time I see footage of this "man" dribbling on about the selection of D'Oliveira in the English team .... something like "This is not the team of the MCC, but the team of the anti-apartheid movement".

In other words he considered a black cricketer incapable of making a team on his ability alone. For those who never saw him play, Basil D'Oliveira was a world class player who should have played more Test cricket than he did.

I've often wondered how the Australians managed to get to South Africa in 1966-67 with Grahame Thomas in their squad. Maybe it was okay wit hthe South African Government so long as he didn't play a Test .. which he didn't.

A lot of people thought Thomas to be aboriginal, but it is believed he is of Cherokee Native American ancestry ... although it is believed his maternal great-grandfather was an African-American slave who made it to Australia in the gold rush days.

This discussion leads on to the rebel tours to South Africa during the 80s.

The West Indies went in around 1982'ish and all players involved were banned for life. We saw the last of Colin Croft, Lawrence Rowe, Sylvester Clarke, Foaud Bacchus among others.

England were there about the same time because it lead to the likes of Gatting, Knott, Gooch, Dilley and Emburey missing their 82/83 tour of Australia. They were only banned for 3 years.

Then it was our turn in 1985/86 and 1986/87 when Kim Hughes lead a rebel tour. Squad was Hughes, Mick Taylor (Vic), John Dyson (NSW), Steve Smith (NSW), Greg Shipperd (WA), Graeme Yallop (Vic), Mike Haysman (SA), Steve Rixon (NSW), Peter Faulkner (Tas), Jeff Maguire (QLD), Rod Hogg (Vic), Rod McCurdy (SA), Terry Alderman (WA), Trevor Hohns (QLD), Carl Rackemann (QLD), Tom Hogan (WA).

Keppler Wessels joined Aust for the 1986/87 tour after quitting official cricket in Australia the year before, citing tensions with officials caused by the rebel tours. There were allegations that he assisted the recruiting of the rebel team but he has denied any involvement. He was fairly tight lipped about the whole affair when asked on ABC Radio just this last month.

Only Hohns, Rackemann and Alderman played for Australia again after their 3 year ban was up. Some stayed on in RSA and live there to this day (Mike Haysman being one IIRC).

The final tour was England in 1990 however this proved to be the death-knock of the rebel tours as it coincided with the release of Nelson Mandela and beginning of the end of apartheid and caused mass protest demonstrations. The second year of that tour was cancelled.

RSA were re-admitted to offical cricket a few years later. Further reading:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/cricket/rebels--the-85-south-africa-tour/2005/12/09/1134086816276.html
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Adelaide Hawk wrote:The scenes at Norwood Oval were from a Rugby Union match between South Africa and South Australia. I was there that night watching people running onto the ground in protest, lighting flares and throwing them onto the ground, etc. To a very young person, I hadn't grasped the gravity of apartheid at that time and was all very amused by the whole thing..

Same here, same day as the last Vietnam protest as well.
They had the police lines to get through, & then the Adelaide rugby boys cleaned them up on the boundry & dragged them off.
Some of those hippys had very strong hair.

Folks should do themselves a favour and check cricinfo for the scorecards of Australia's 1970 tour of South Africa. South Africa tore them up in all four Tests - Barry Richards' only Test matches. The margins are embarrassing. The Springboks were the best in the world at the time of their ban.

McAlmanac wrote:Folks should do themselves a favour and check cricinfo for the scorecards of Australia's 1970 tour of South Africa. South Africa tore them up in all four Tests - Barry Richards' only Test matches. The margins are embarrassing. The Springboks were the best in the world at the time of their ban.

No doubt the South Africans were the best in the world at that time, but the margin was enhanced by poor programming by the ACB to take Australia from spinning Indian wickets to the quicker wickets of South Africa.

A lot of the players were suffering from poor health resulting from the Indian trip, and our key bowler Graham McKenzie was totally spent.

Ian Chappell claims he feels Souith Africa were the better team, but no way were they 4-0 better.

Only just noticed this ... Excellent thread ... HOF you should get yourself a copy of a movie like "Cry Freedom" (Im sure other posters could suggest alternatives too)

hondo71 wrote:Some stayed on in RSA and live there to this day (Mike Haysman being one IIRC).

Would Haysman have been on the Australian Senior team radar back then? I'd always thought he could have been close but effectively killed any chance.