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OK, this performance might have been against Test minnows Bangladesh, but that still doesn't take much away from what Daniel Vettori did against Bangladesh in the first Test of the series:

1st Innings - Bang
Overs: 36
Maidens: 15
Runs: 59
Wickets: 5
Econ: 1.63

1st Innings - NZ
Runs: 55 not out
Balls: 82

2nd Innings - Bang
Overs: 42
Maidens: 13
Runs: 74
Wickets: 4

2nd Innings - NZ
Runs: 76
Balls: 213
Econ: 1.76

9 wickets and two fifties whilst also captaining the side is a brilliant effort. There haven't been many instances in Test cricket where a player has singlehandedly won his side a match in this fashion. Many of the Australian players should be taking a good look at Vettori's effort in that Test match. He is a superstar of world cricket.
If only he was Australian...

Also some more stats taken from cricinfo:

-Daniel Vettori became the first player to score at least a half-century and take four wickets in two innings of a Test. He is only the third player, and the second captain, to score at least fifty in each innings and take eight or more wickets in a match.

-Before the Test series against Australia in 2005, Vettori averaged 20.58 with the bat and 35.06 with the ball in 59 matches. However, his all-round performances have improved consistently in the last three-and-a-half years. In the 25 Tests during this period, Vettori has averaged 43.56 with the bat, and 27.65 with the ball.

-New Zealand successfully chased a target in excess of 300 for the second time, and the first time away from home. Before this win, the highest score they had chased to win a match in the subcontinent was 82, against Pakistan at Lahore in 1969.

Bob Loblaw wrote:

jackpot jim wrote:NZ Win by 3 wkts. NZ 7/317.
Pretty tedious game by the look of things with the Run Rate only a tick over 2 RPO for the whole game.
Vettori had a Fair game taking 5/59 (36 overs) and 4/74 (42 overs) with the ball and making 55* no. and 76 with the bat. Has there ever been a Better All Round performance in a Test match by an individual?

cricinfo wrote:Daniel Vettori became the first player to score at least a half-century and take four wickets in two innings of a Test. He is only the third player, and the second captain, to score at least fifty in each innings and take eight or more wickets in a match.

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bdeshvnz/content/current/story/374910.html

would be great to have him at 8 in the Aus lineup

Great player, just a pity for him there has been too much else in the way of quality around him in the Silver Fern side

blink wrote:-Daniel Vettori became the first player to score at least a half-century and take four wickets in two innings of a Test. He is only the third player, and the second captain, to score at least fifty in each innings and take eight or more wickets in a match.

fabulous performance by Dan the man, but I find the above fact quite astonishing, the fact that no one has done it previously when you consider the quality of some of the all rounders in the past

Best off-spinner in the world with a legitimate action - I wish he played in Australia.

Adelaide Hawk wrote:Best off-spinner in the world with a legitimate action - I wish he played in Australia.

as much as hate him, Harbahjan has a pretty good record to push Vettori with the statement..I believe there is without no question that daniel vettori is the most influential/important/and dominant one day player in the world! he is now becoming one of the best in the test match arena and i think NZ need to bridge the gap between there best and worst players in that side because they are still not seeing the best of vettori due to the crap side he is in!

Adelaide Hawk wrote:Best off-spinner in the world with a legitimate action - I wish he played in Australia.

Pity he doesn't bowl off spin

I wonder how he'd go up the order a bit, I remember the Aussies didn't mind chucking McDermott up into the opening role in the one-dayers, then they realized it wouldn't hurt to use O'Donnell rather than experiment with a slogger who it didn't matter if he got out early, that's when one-day cricket took a new course.

Shakib al Hassan also has a good match for Bangladesh in the same game with seven wickets in an innings (possibly 10 for the match?) and he also made 76 with the bat in their first innings.

rod_rooster wrote:

Adelaide Hawk wrote:Best off-spinner in the world with a legitimate action - I wish he played in Australia.

Pity he doesn't bowl off spin

Orthodox spin has always been classified as off spin. It used to be anyway.

Adelaide Hawk wrote:

rod_rooster wrote:

Adelaide Hawk wrote:Best off-spinner in the world with a legitimate action - I wish he played in Australia.

Pity he doesn't bowl off spin

Orthodox spin has always been classified as off spin. It used to be anyway.

No it hasn't. Off spin is bowled by a right armed bowler and is described as so as they turn the ball from the off into a right hand batsman. Left arm finger spinners have always been referred to as either a left arm orthodox or left arm finger spin or a left arm slow bowler. Same way a left arm wrist spinner is not a leg spin bowler.

Either way Daniel Vetorri is a wonderful cricketer. It's a shame he is stuck playing for such a poor side.

Lightning McQueen wrote:I wonder how he'd go up the order a bit, I remember the Aussies didn't mind chucking McDermott up into the opening role in the one-dayers, then they realized it wouldn't hurt to use O'Donnell rather than experiment with a slogger who it didn't matter if he got out early, that's when one-day cricket took a new course.

i always thought it was the sri lankans that started that trend with kaluwitharana (something like that)

bayman wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:I wonder how he'd go up the order a bit, I remember the Aussies didn't mind chucking McDermott up into the opening role in the one-dayers, then they realized it wouldn't hurt to use O'Donnell rather than experiment with a slogger who it didn't matter if he got out early, that's when one-day cricket took a new course.

i always thought it was the sri lankans that started that trend with kaluwitharana (something like that)

Spot on BAyman, McDermott and O'Donnell never opened for Australia. Kalu and Jayasuria pioneered "the slog" in teh first 15 overs. Actually Pakistan tried it (Saeed Anwar) in the early 90s but with mixed success

O'Donnell was good in the last 10 overs in the late 80s early 90s would occasionally bats six (instead of if Australia had wickets in hand.

McDermott occasionally came in at 4 or 5 to speed up the strike rate - most famously in the 87 World Cup Final at the fall of the 3rd wicket IIRC

rod_rooster wrote:No it hasn't. Off spin is bowled by a right armed bowler and is described as so as they turn the ball from the off into a right hand batsman. Left arm finger spinners have always been referred to as either a left arm orthodox or left arm finger spin or a left arm slow bowler. Same way a left arm wrist spinner is not a leg spin bowler.

Either way Daniel Vetorri is a wonderful cricketer. It's a shame he is stuck playing for such a poor side.

Correct RR

Common misconception to call Left Arm Orthodox spinners "Off" spinners. They don't turn it from the off they turn it from the leg. So in using the terms "off" or "leg" spinner Vettori is in fact a leg spinner.

Left arm Orthodox or Left arm unorthodox/Chinaman (Katich/Hogg) arm teh common terms for Left arm spinners.

B4 The Sri Lankan sizzlementation in the top order
There was a guy called Ian Botham that opened up for England a few times in O/D games

And Greatbatch for NZ during the 92 World Cup.

1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:

bayman wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:I wonder how he'd go up the order a bit, I remember the Aussies didn't mind chucking McDermott up into the opening role in the one-dayers, then they realized it wouldn't hurt to use O'Donnell rather than experiment with a slogger who it didn't matter if he got out early, that's when one-day cricket took a new course.

i always thought it was the sri lankans that started that trend with kaluwitharana (something like that)

Spot on BAyman, McDermott and O'Donnell never opened for Australia. Kalu and Jayasuria pioneered "the slog" in teh first 15 overs. Actually Pakistan tried it (Saeed Anwar) in the early 90s but with mixed success

O'Donnell was good in the last 10 overs in the late 80s early 90s would occasionally bats six (instead of if Australia had wickets in hand.

McDermott occasionally came in at 4 or 5 to speed up the strike rate - most famously in the 87 World Cup Final at the fall of the 3rd wicket IIRC

Sri Lanka definetely pioneered the 15 over slog-fest successfully. I should've checked my accuracy first, I was relying on memory, Mc Dermott came in at 3 once and 4 three times to act as a pinch hitter. O'Donnell did infact open once, was used at number 4 a few times and a lot of times at number 5.

The point that I was making was that the Aussies tried to develop a new plan to what had usually been the norm. Teams used to be watchful for thirty to forty overs and determined when they went the spank according to the wickets in hand, the Aussies tried to use a pinch-hitter a lot earlier in the innings.

If it wasn't for Sri Lanka, 250 would still be a pretty huge score, they are the one's that showed that 300 is what you should be aiming at.

Sorry for not posting with 100% accuracy, I'm glad you pointed it out, it could've cost me a bet one day.

Martin Snedden opened both batting and bowling for NZ.

I can recall Border opening the batting for Australia in the mid to late 80's in one dayers in order to get the run rate up.

Srikkanth from India used to go stupid too. I guess that was his natural game though as opposed to a deliberate ploy by the team to accelerate the run rate.

Lightning McQueen wrote:I wonder how he'd go up the order a bit, I remember the Aussies didn't mind chucking McDermott up into the opening role in the one-dayers, then they realized it wouldn't hurt to use O'Donnell rather than experiment with a slogger who it didn't matter if he got out early, that's when one-day cricket took a new course.

I think Vettori might've opened the batting at some stages of the 2003 World Cup.
I seem to remember Glenn McGrath's worl cup diary mentioning something along those lines...
Don't recall if he had success...