SA Footy

Well I think the powers that be should be thinking right now about some changes the SA cricket in general. It is now the time for some hard decisions for the district comp to be made. Less teams, 2 divisions etc something needs to happen at that level.

In my mind its clear that our batsmen have a technique problem that comes un-stuck against the better bowling at state level. But of course at district level the constant standard is not there to develop. Right so that leaves us in a pickle. We will not in future produce any decent batsmen with our current system. So what do people think. Time to let rip!

What would I do ?
SA batsman seem to have a technical deficiency outside off stump
This is because they come from lower bouncing grade wickets ?
To me each district club should get Les Burdett to oversee pitch preperations
and try and prepare bouncier pitches in general.
This would encourage faster bowlers and discourage the use of meduim pace
bowlers who bowl for ecomomy rather than disMissALs.

Also the Adeliade oVal in recent p/cup games for about 3 seasons has become
a seamers wicket, and not suitable for spin bowlers.
This further extentuates the off stump weaknesses.

SA seems to bat quite well away from home on some decks
We have batted well in TA/VI QL the last 2 years and got some good totals

So in summary produce better grade decks
OR
Make the Adelaide Oval deck more batter friendly, but that could = more draws.

The whole system needs a cleanout from top to bottom

when one of the selectors said on radio that we've improved on last year to this year i say to myself wtf, i don't think any of them (players) showed heart & fight & i'd get rid off marsh first as they've gone backwards since he took over & the selector i speak of is built like mal & i & was built like that when he played

How about we just hope that some more talented players come through the ranks. Seriously the SA side at the moment is just the best of a very ordinary bunch in grade cricket. Talent is a gift and unfortunately the only bloke with a reasonable amount of it that SA has is a lazy fat f*ck. Time to face facts and they are that SA has very limited amount of cricketing talent at the moment.

bayman wrote:when one of the selectors said on radio that we've improved on last year to this year i say to myself wtf, i don't think any of them (players) showed heart & fight & i'd get rid off marsh first as they've gone backwards since he took over & the selector i speak of is built like mal & i & was built like that when he played

I think we have improved actually, but thats probably more of a reflection on how bad we were last year. Manou had a good year, as did Harris. Well at least i'd guess that the overall team scores/results were an improvement but there wasn't the improvement in the Borgas brothers and Cosgrove that we would have liked. Ferguson had a reasonable year.

We probably need to look at Nobes' position as selectors, and maybe a few other people at the top of the SACA.

GWW wrote:
We probably need to look at Nobes' position as selectors, and maybe a few other people at the top of the SACA.

Nobes and Marsh are already gone.

Paul Nobes has wheeled out the excuse that his son will be in contention for selection for the senior side within the next 2-3 years. Possibly a good move but now its up to Matthew to make it happen...

Rod Marsh was friggin useless enuff said

the thing that gets up my nose is the genuine lack of ticker

SA cricket needs a total over haul, from district cricket, state side and the administration

when will enough be enough until they start making some tough decisions, another season of FAILURE

The Team will be useless for the next few seasons at least BUT the Members will have a NEW Stand to sit in and hopefully be able to watch the Debacles live from the Bar whilst we're getting pissed.

Nobes, Marsh, Adcock, Elliott all gone ... who will we take it out on next season?

hondo71 wrote:Nobes, Marsh, Adcock, Elliott all gone ... who will we take it out on next season?

Sorrell i'd say lol.

The man who is apparently pulling the strings is still there
For hes a jolly good fellow

As Sandi Shaw once sang in the 60s
SORREL is
" Just a puppet on a string."

heater31 wrote:

GWW wrote:
We probably need to look at Nobes' position as selectors, and maybe a few other people at the top of the SACA.

Nobes and Marsh are already gone.

Paul Nobes has wheeled out the excuse that his son will be in contention for selection for the senior side within the next 2-3 years. Possibly a good move but now its up to Matthew to make it happen...

Rod Marsh was friggin useless enuff said :roll:

Crap, Rod Marsh isn't useless.

My sources tell me he was in there trying to change the culture to one where hard work and dedication was valued. However when you have influential senior players - and face it SA cricket has always had a strong senior players as its main influence - Flavel, Chappelli, Hookes, Siddons - openly flaunting that work ethic well you are bound to fail especially how that has rubbed off on arguably the most talented kid we have.

Marsh has simply been beaten by the culture in SA cricket - acceptance of mediocrity and a lack of a committment to excellence. We still think its the 80s where you rock up have a little net and a bowl, a bit of fielding work then retire to the bar to get on it then have a few durries.

Time to start again with 15 young blokes who want to have a crack and do the hard yards. The results will be poor for 2008-09 but let them find themselves and learn about 1st class cricket for for 2 years.....

mal wrote:Also the Adeliade oVal in recent p/cup games for about 3 seasons has become
a seamers wicket, and not suitable for spin bowlers.
This further extentuates the off stump weaknesses.

No problem with the wicket MAlly jsut a problem with our batsmen being willing to get in and do the hard yards and fight to survive.

Blokes like D Hussey, Katich, Watto, Dan Marsh, M Wade, C Hartley, Ferguson and Dan Harris showed that if you get in and apply your self like half decent first class batsmen well theres plenty of runs to be made on one of the best batting decks in the country.

Maybe we've been slow to adapt to the changing world of cricket with technology and working out opposition batsmen that our bowlers aren't prepared to stick to a plan as well as opposition bowling attacks (not saying they dont but other teams do it better) are so we don't get the wickets like other teams do.

Hell every batsman has a weakness outside off stump but the good batsmen know their areas and are patient and get bowlers to bowl to them through judicious shot selection. Rather than the SA way of innane attack with half ar5ed fatigue influenced drives or simply just hanging the bat outside off stump because they've been batting for an hour and a half and are concerned they'll miss the lunch buffet....

I think your point about better pitches at grade cricket is a good one but if we think our problem lies with a more sporting Adelaide Oval, rather than our players we may as well pack it in and let the ACT come in and have our shield spot as we don't deserve to be there...

1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:

mal wrote:Also the Adeliade oVal in recent p/cup games for about 3 seasons has become
a seamers wicket, and not suitable for spin bowlers.
This further extentuates the off stump weaknesses.

No problem with the wicket MAlly jsut a problem with our batsmen being willing to get in and do the hard yards and fight to survive.

Blokes like D Hussey, Katich, Watto, Dan Marsh, M Wade, C Hartley, Ferguson and Dan Harris showed that if you get in and apply your self like half decent first class batsmen well theres plenty of runs to be made on one of the best batting decks in the country.

Maybe we've been slow to adapt to the changing world of cricket with technology and working out opposition batsmen that our bowlers aren't prepared to stick to a plan as well as opposition bowling attacks (not saying they dont but other teams do it better) are so we don't get the wickets like other teams do.

Hell every batsman has a weakness outside off stump but the good batsmen know their areas and are patient and get bowlers to bowl to them through judicious shot selection. Rather than the SA way of innane attack with half ar5ed fatigue influenced drives or simply just hanging the bat outside off stump because they've been batting for an hour and a half and are concerned they'll miss the lunch buffet....

I think your point about better pitches at grade cricket is a good one but if we think our problem lies with a more sporting Adelaide Oval, rather than our players we may as well pack it in and let the ACT come in and have our shield spot as we don't deserve to be there...

IMO your both on the money Mal and 1980 TM. Pitch improvement at grade level crucial, as is picking players who bat time and value the wicket- hence even an out of form plant was a better pick than brown (IMO)

I agree with having less district teams. Merge them if you have to I say. eg Uni with Adelaide, Woodville with West Torrens. Then align them with a SANFL club, so they can use such things as weights and club rooms and the like. Less teams = the better players compete for spots in a team.
Look at the Aussie team, they come from 6 teams, not 13 or how many teams we have. Which is why Australia is so good and that the first class comp is the best in the world.

Great idea to team sides up with SANFL teams, would get the comp back to 9 sides with a couple of mergers a attempt to have a roll on effect with footy supporters showing more interest in the cricket with a district club linked to their footy club.

MightyEagles wrote:I agree with having less district teams. Merge them if you have to I say. eg Uni with Adelaide, Woodville with West Torrens. Then align them with a SANFL club, so they can use such things as weights and club rooms and the like. Less teams = the better players compete for spots in a team.
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As a current player of the lower grade district comp its not the amount teams we have. Its the facilities the teams have at their disposal. Woodville oval is a shocker for cricket, very very slow outfield beacuse of footy, both Prospect, Port Reserve(Port) and Campbelltown (East Torrens) have shocking pitches, Price Memorial (Sturt) is Far too small for any level of cricket and Glenelg oval struggles beacuse of footy.



as for Grade cricketers doing weights don't be silly

1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:

heater31 wrote:

GWW wrote:
We probably need to look at Nobes' position as selectors, and maybe a few other people at the top of the SACA.

Nobes and Marsh are already gone.

Paul Nobes has wheeled out the excuse that his son will be in contention for selection for the senior side within the next 2-3 years. Possibly a good move but now its up to Matthew to make it happen...

Rod Marsh was friggin useless enuff said :roll:

Crap, Rod Marsh isn't useless.

My sources tell me he was in there trying to change the culture to one where hard work and dedication was valued. However when you have influential senior players - and face it SA cricket has always had a strong senior players as its main influence - Flavel, Chappelli, Hookes, Siddons - openly flaunting that work ethic well you are bound to fail especially how that has rubbed off on arguably the most talented kid we have.

Marsh has simply been beaten by the culture in SA cricket - acceptance of mediocrity and a lack of a committment to excellence. We still think its the 80s where you rock up have a little net and a bowl, a bit of fielding work then retire to the bar to get on it then have a few durries.

Time to start again with 15 young blokes who want to have a crack and do the hard yards. The results will be poor for 2008-09 but let them find themselves and learn about 1st class cricket for for 2 years.....

Mate this is a contradiction in terms....U say that Marsh has been beaten by the culture in SA Cricket, yet it is this same guy who has embarced what it is you are trying to say is a reason for our mediocrity...
Marsh is on the gravy train nothing clearer and will be gone with no lasting leagacy other than bringing in a grade player from Sydney, oh and his golf handicap has probably come down...

Push in the Back wrote:

1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:Crap, Rod Marsh isn't useless.

My sources tell me he was in there trying to change the culture to one where hard work and dedication was valued. However when you have influential senior players - and face it SA cricket has always had a strong senior players as its main influence - Flavel, Chappelli, Hookes, Siddons - openly flaunting that work ethic well you are bound to fail especially how that has rubbed off on arguably the most talented kid we have.

Marsh has simply been beaten by the culture in SA cricket - acceptance of mediocrity and a lack of a committment to excellence. We still think its the 80s where you rock up have a little net and a bowl, a bit of fielding work then retire to the bar to get on it then have a few durries.

Time to start again with 15 young blokes who want to have a crack and do the hard yards. The results will be poor for 2008-09 but let them find themselves and learn about 1st class cricket for for 2 years.....

Mate this is a contradiction in terms....U say that Marsh has been beaten by the culture in SA Cricket, yet it is this same guy who has embarced what it is you are trying to say is a reason for our mediocrity...
Marsh is on the gravy train nothing clearer and will be gone with no lasting leagacy other than bringing in a grade player from Sydney, oh and his golf handicap has probably come down...

Mate what evidence do you have of this?? Bar one photo in The Advertiser?

I refuse to believe that the bloke I saw at the Acadamy (allbeit briefly and in a very very insignificant role when I assisted with their fitness testing) wanted anything and the disciplined he instilled in preparing modern cricketers is anything less than what he wanted to change in SA cricket.

The fact that he wanted to bring in the young blokes who want to work and how a prominent cricketer criticised his methods on preparing cricket teams are just two reasons why I stand by my comments.