Duckworth - Lewis

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In two rain affected games today the Duckworth - Lewis system was used.

New Zealand after bowling England out for 158 were set an adjusted target of 165 to win in 36 overs.

India made 5/195 (29 Overs) and Sri Lanka only had to make 154 (21 Overs)

Why was one teams total increased while anothers decreased ?

[MightyEagles]

It's all got to do with overs and wickets in hand and runs scored and stuff like that.

[stan]

In two rain affected games today the Duckworth - Lewis system was used.

New Zealand after bowling England out for 158 were set an adjusted target of 165 to win in 36 overs.

India made 5/195 (29 Overs) and Sri Lanka only had to make 154 (21 Overs)

Why was one teams total increased while anothers decreased ?

Thats the part of the system I reall hate. Its crap. I mean think about it. they were bowled out, thats right bowled out!

[TrueRoo]

In two rain affected games today the Duckworth - Lewis system was used.

New Zealand after bowling England out for 158 were set an adjusted target of 165 to win in 36 overs.

India made 5/195 (29 Overs) and Sri Lanka only had to make 154 (21 Overs)

Why was one teams total increased while anothers decreased ?

Thats the part of the system I reall hate. Its crap. I mean think about it. they were bowled out, thats right bowled out!

I agree Stan. I can understand the Sri Lankan target being reduced because of further rain but can't understand why New Zealand were penalised for bowling England out.

[smac]

Did England start their innings with 36 overs to bat or more? If more, then that also has an impact on the 2nd batting side.

If they started with 36 then there should have been no adjustments, as far as I am aware.

[Dirko]

New Zealand after bowling England out for 158 were set an adjusted target of 165 to win in 36 overs.

DWL Rule 14.2.3 says..The method for determining runs to be scored for a reduced overs game, in which rain has intervened before the second innings has started is as follows;
14.2.4 If a team dismissed for a 5hitty tally, then that tally should be used as a guide for the runs to be scored by the team batting second
14.2.5 Unless that team is New Zealand then reduce the overs by 14 and add a further 7 runs to the first innings total...

[RoosterMarty]

In two rain affected games today the Duckworth - Lewis system was used.

New Zealand after bowling England out for 158 were set an adjusted target of 165 to win in 36 overs.

India made 5/195 (29 Overs) and Sri Lanka only had to make 154 (21 Overs)

Why was one teams total increased while anothers decreased ?

Thats the part of the system I reall hate. Its crap. I mean think about it. they were bowled out, thats right bowled out!

I agree Stan. I can understand the Sri Lankan target being reduced because of further rain but can't understand why New Zealand were penalised for bowling England out.

It's unbelievable isn't it???

They should have been set 159 to win after bowling England out, how the hell can it possibly be increased after they took all 10 wickets??? At least you can see why SL's target was reduced.
Hard to believe that this system is actually better than the last one.. they really need to fix it up somehow. The whole game is starting to suffer actually.

[hearts on fire]

At this point in time, International cricket is all over the place.
Terrible umpiring, players quitting, stupid rules, hopeless teams etc.....

[RoosterMarty]

Too true. I can't see how the great game will ever recover properly.

[MightyEagles]

Too true. I can't see how the great game will ever recover properly.

especially when a team threatens to leave a tour half way through, when they don't like things or things go against them.

[Hondo]

At this point in time, International cricket is all over the place.
Terrible umpiring, players quitting, stupid rules, hopeless teams etc.....

And a looming, ticking time bomb of this Indian Premier League and what may come later once this door is opened.

I think the face of cricket as we have known it is about to change forever over the next few years. On 5AA they had the IPL's Australian recruiting manager and he painted an alarming picture of where its all heading.

Anyone expected that the best players would be playing for "franchises"/"clubs" (such as Dubai or Mumbai) for part or all of the year and only come together to play for their country for tournaments like the World Cup . The way this guy was explaining it .... think of English Premier League Soccer and you have a picture of where its heading

[the wonder elephant]

england bowled out in 35.1 overs how the hell do they increase the total after rain when they are only alloting n.z 36 overs anyway ? by the way nz made the runs none down of 18.1 overs

[MightyEagles]

At the start of the NZ innings they had all 10 wickets in hand (as in none were out).

[TrueRoo]

At the end of the NZ innings they still had all 10 wickets in hand.

[redandblack]

A team only having to face 36 overs has a huge advantage compared with a team starting an innings of 50 overs. The D L system is about as good as it's possible to get to cover all the eventualities.

BTW, it looks like NZ have found a player in young Jesse Ryder, the opening bat.

[Benchwarmer]

That is if he hadn't gone and put his hand through a window celebrating the NZ'ers series win!!!

I have always been a fan of the old RPO that was in vogue in the early 80s (remember the Allan Border lightning 30no against the Windies in 1981-82 to win the game by a very slim margin on run rates at the SCG as the rain tumbled down?).

With the way teams are playing one day cricket now, would it be fair or just to bring back the RPO? Or maybe even the RPO system with an easy to understand adjustment to allow for wickets lost
e.g.
0/ add 0.50rpo
1/ add 0.40rpo
2/ add 0.30rpo,
3/ add 0.20rpo,
4/ add 0.15rpo,
5/ add 0.10rpo,
6/ add 0.05rpo,
7-9/ target stays as the RPO of the opposition innings + 0.01.

Fairer?

Duckworth-Lewis ... puts the image of two men in white lab coats in my mind ... or is that just me?

[Hondo]

RPO (even with adjustments for the number of wickets lost) too heavily favours the team batting second

I remember around 1989ish Dean Jones and Steve Waugh smacked the Windies around a rain-affected SCG and scored something like 230 of 39 overs

All seemed well until the Windies had the total reduced to something like 84 of 15 overs which they naturally did in a canter ... it was so disappointing after all the hard work we did when we batted.

Using the D-L calculator the West Indies would have faced are far more exciting (& fairer) win target of 156

http://www.duckworth-lewis.com/Calculator/tabid/72/Default.aspx

I think we tend to get alarmed just because we don't understand the mathematics (I don't either ) but the objective is to try to produce a fair match when overs are lost so that the second team doesn't get an advantage from a smaller target in a smaller no of overs. So personally I don't have a problem with it.

[Benchwarmer]

As you mentioned, the degree of difficulty is the main issue.

If the average Joe Blow was able to calculate in his head what the target would be then the anxiety and scepticism would disappear.

[bayman]

it is garbage & no better than any other method used in the past, i think if it is not a 50 over game it should be null & void, i also think that usually one dayers don't back up 2 days in a row so why not complete a full match the next day

[Interceptor]

it is garbage & no better than any other method used in the past, i think if it is not a 50 over game it should be null & void, i also think that usually one dayers don't back up 2 days in a row so why not complete a full match the next day

Pfft. Hondo has just given you an example of why DL is superior to the old system.
It's not perfect, but a lot more equitable.

Unless it's a finals game then it's too much of a hassle to come back the next day and try again.
What happens if it rains again the next day, for say 6 overs worth of time?
Scrap the match again? I don't think so.