To put this in a more graphic way about SA's batting

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Here is the top scorer and the not out batsmen from each of the South Australian innings. I've taken out the 2nd innings from the two victories because of the low totals required for victory:

vs Victoria:
1st
Top scorer: Gillespie 49 (10)
Not out: Cullen 20 (11)

2nd
Top scorer: Gillespie 18 (6)
Not out: Bailey 17 (9)

vs Tasmania:
1st
Top scorer: Manou 190 (7)
Not out: Gillespie 118 (9)

2nd
Top scorer: Cosgrove 76 (4)
Not out: Manou 16 Gillespie 4 (7 & 9)

vs NSW:
1st
Top Scorer: Ferguson 83 (4)
Not Out: Gillespie 19 (10)

2nd
Top Scorer: Ferguson 59 (4)
Not out: R.Harris 42 (8)

vs WA:
1st
Top Scorer: Lehmann 167 (4)
Not Out: Gillespie 16 (9)

vs Qld:
1st
Top Scorer: Elliott 78 (1)
Not Out: Rofe 0 (11)

vs WA:
Top Scorer: Gillespie 51 (9)
Not Out: Gillespie 51 (9)

Top Scorer by batsman:
Gillespie: 3 times
Ferguson: 2
Lehmann: 1
Elliott: 1
Cosgrove: 1
Manou: 1

Not out by batsman:
Gillespie: 5 times
Cullen: 1
Bailey: 1
Manou: 1
Rofe: 1
R.Harris: 1

Ok, so the not out batsmen favours positions 9,10 and 11, but it's amazing what happens when one values their wicket.

[locky801]

summed up in 3 words


VALUES HIS WICKET

always has, district, sheild, test cricket

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summed up in 3 words


VALUES HIS WICKET

always has, district, sheild, test cricket

Player: Runs Avg.
Elliott: 317 31.70
Manou: 297 37.12
Gillespie: 290 72.50
Lehmann 224 74.66

Only Lehmann has a greater average than Gillespie for SA this year.

You can manipulate the stats to favour your argument, but there's no need in this case.

[locky801]

Jason never throws it away, wasnt the best when he started in the Aussie test side but worked on his batting and got to value his wicket, he has shown what he can do, not too many Aussies, let alone world cricket fast/opening bowlers that can claim 200 not out against any opposition

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Jason never throws it away, wasnt the best when he started in the Aussie test side but worked on his batting and got to value his wicket, he has shown what he can do, not too many Aussies, let alone world cricket fast/opening bowlers that can claim 200 not out against any opposition

There have been only three players to have taken 250+ wickets and score a double century in Test cricket - Dizzy, Beefy and Wasim Akram.

[Hondo]

He has had a great year with the bat no question but that's not what he is in the side for

Year to date he has 15 wickets at 37.60

Take out his great 7/58 and its 8 wickets at 63.25

Don't let the batting stats distract us even tho they are a credit to him

[jackpot jim]

Yeah, and take out all Adcocks Failures and just look at his 49 n.o. and makes him look good to.
This thread isn't about Dizzies' Bowling, its about How Bad SAs' Batting is and How a Bowler who shows a Huge amount of G + D when he gets a Bat in his hand shows just what can be done when you play within your limitations and Value your wicket as if your life is on the line.
Comments on the CA website today describing Adcocks LBW, Played accross the line and the ball hitting stone Dead in front. FFS, what in the hell is he playing accross the line b4 he's scored, He's NOT Sir BOOF you Know.

[Hondo]

JJ you think Dizzy's had a good year with the ball?

I understood Spelly's thoughts behind the thread just want to make sure no-one forgets what his actual role in the side is. As your response proves we are letting his batting exploits get in the way of a hard look at his bowling. Would you trade his score today for 3-10 in the last session?

Our bowling across the board is not much ahead of our batting this season

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JJ you think Dizzy's had a good year with the ball?

I understood Spelly's thoughts behind the thread just want to make sure no-one forgets what his actual role in the side is. As your response proves we are letting his batting exploits get in the way of a hard look at his bowling. Would you trade his score today for 3-10 in the last session?

Our bowling across the board is not much ahead of our batting this season

We can't see half of his games in person, but I'm wondering if it's still the same old thing that's happening to him - the nicks that don't carry, balls that take the varnish off the stumps, dropped catches etc. or is it that he is having a rough trot with the ball?

[gadj1976]

I've seen him twice in domestic stuff and he's now about 130km but not bowling with a Lee, or Tait at the other end, and therefore not getting wickets because of scoreboard or mental pressure. There isn't much pressure on batsmen when you're none-fa chasing 180.

[jackpot jim]

OK Lets talk about Dizzies Bowling.
Sure their would have been seasons where his average has been better but considering the circumstances, i have been very satisfied with his performance with the ball this season.
Lets remember that bowling averages over 5 matches dont neccessarily reflect the quality of the bowling.

Below are a few points Dizzy has had to contend with.

1/ Pura cup is the toughest domestic comp in the world.
2/Several games this season has included the Test players inc. Ponting.
3/ Lack of Rest between Innings due to the Poor Batting of the side and also that Dizzy has spent more time at the crease than any other Batsman.
4/ Sitters put down in Slips.
5/ Dizzy isn't the strike bowler he once was and when Tait hasn't been there has had to shoulder the load too much.

In Association with BOOF, Has won 1/2 their matches this season with his effort against WA which is more than any other bowler has done for SA.

Considering the above, i give his bowling 7.5/10 GOOD.

Remember what happened to LEE, Clark, MaGill, Johnson etc when they dropped back to Pura cup a few weeks ago, Got Carted, Its certainly not a bowlers game in Pura Cup unless your bowling at the Gabba or against SA.

[rod_rooster]

He has had a great year with the bat no question but that's not what he is in the side for

Year to date he has 15 wickets at 37.60

Take out his great 7/58 and its 8 wickets at 63.25

Don't let the batting stats distract us even tho they are a credit to him

Take out Dizzy's bowling. That's fine. He still deserves his spot in the side based on his batting. What batsman has performed better than Dizzy?

[the wonder elephant]

He has had a great year with the bat no question but that's not what he is in the side for

Year to date he has 15 wickets at 37.60

Take out his great 7/58 and its 8 wickets at 63.25

Don't let the batting stats distract us even tho they are a credit to him

Take out Dizzy's bowling. That's fine. He still deserves his spot in the side based on his batting. What batsman has performed better than Dizzy?

[mal]

summed up in 3 words


VALUES HIS WICKET

always has, district, sheild, test cricket

Player: Runs Avg.
Elliott: 317 31.70
Manou: 297 37.12
Gillespie: 290 72.50
Lehmann 224 74.66

Only Lehmann has a greater average than Gillespie for SA this year.

You can manipulate the stats to favour your argument, but there's no need in this case.

Good to see the faith in Elliott is reaping dividends in the Pura Cup this season ....

[mighty_tiger_79]

should DIZZY have been skipper?

[Hondo]

Geez don't knock the D-train on SAFooty

Just making sure we critically assess everyone here lads I bet we wouldn't be defending Adcock's spot in the team because he was having a good time with the ball

In fact it seems 1 good innings as a bowler in the entire season is enough to score 7.5/10 from SA cricket's greatest critic (or so I thought ) on SAFooty.

Dizzy needs scruitiny too rather than all these excuses made for him or calls for him to be captain. R-R I am not saying he shouldn't be in the team - just that he shouldn't be a protected species just because he a legend (which he is) and because he is scoring runs (which is great on its own)

The vitriol gets targetted on a handful of guys in the team it seems sometimes - while some of our favourite sons can't do anything wrong. Maybe I am just reading too much into the posts.

Hopefully today he makes me

[bulldogproud]

Good to see the faith in Elliott is reaping dividends in the Pura Cup this season ....[/quote]

Mal, seeing that Herb has to do the hard task of opening, his performance in comparison to SA's other batsmen has been reasonably good.
Cheers

[SOTTERS]

Good to see the faith in Elliott is reaping dividends in the Pura Cup this season ....

Mal, seeing that Herb has to do the hard task of opening, his performance in comparison to SA's other batsmen has been reasonably good.
Cheers[/quote]
Spot on, he would be the last batsman to drop hes made the most runs out of all our batsman ffs.

[mal]

Good to see the faith in Elliott is reaping dividends in the Pura Cup this season ....

Mal, seeing that Herb has to do the hard task of opening, his performance in comparison to SA's other batsmen has been reasonably good.
Cheers

Spot on, he would be the last batsman to drop hes made the most runs out of all our batsman ffs.[/quote]

Suggest we look at ELLIOTTS performances at Pura Cup level playing for SA
and then make judgement
I have never seen a player carried despite repeated failures as much as Matt playing for SA

He should be retained for the Ford Ranger Cup where the opposite applies, where his form has been outstanding

Theres some threads in the archives highlighting ELLIOTTS scores
Last year he average 13-79 in 7 matches

[SOTTERS]

Who cares about last year, Every player goes through a bad trot, even Ponting has been carried at some stage ( India didn't score over 15 in 4 tests ). Hes the best were got so get off his back. And hes a Victorian