lehmann v marsh v sorrell

[bayman]

well who would you have 'sacked' ?

discussions should be good

[Hondo]

Woops, voted Boof by accident sorry ....

I wouldn't have sacked any of them there had to be a path forward

[Dirko]

Woops, voted Boof by accident sorry ....

I wouldn't have sacked any of them there had to be a path forward

Quick MODS take out Hondo's vote...

Seeya Bacchus. IMO they should have let Boof have a final year as captain with Adcock his deputy and
getting assistance from the great year. Boof then retires at seasons end...all happy...

[heater31]

Marsh is a Coach not a people manager

[spell_check]

No John Fidge option?

[am Bays]

BAsed on the info I've heard Lehamnn. He won't be playing when we win teh Shield next time to build for teh future and create a culture of hard work.....

[Hondo]

It could be argued that some aspects of the game (in terms of preparation & fitness) have passed Boof by. He's from the Boony and Merv era

Maybe his desire to have another year 'to enjoy the game' didn't fit where the SACA are trying to steer the team

I guess you've got to go with the guys that hopefully will be part of the next successful outfit if you had to choose one go with the guy who has announced his last year anyway and was struggling with fitness

Tassie I see where you are coming from there

Still think all should have stayed on tho I think last night showed Boof would have been an important part of the team in his last season

[rod_rooster]

Cricket aint footy. An old bloke with a good eye can still be better than a young really fit bloke. Look at Cosgrove. He is fatter than Booney and Boof put together but he still gets picked. He has a good eye and can make runs. Lehmann may not be the fittest bloke in the world. He may not train hard but he is easily in the best XI for SA. That should be enough. Unfortunately washed up has beens and some never have beens are believing the answer to the fact that SA cricket is in shambles is to force the retirement of one of the very few decent cricketers we have.

Last night was a wonderful display of batting from SA. The unfortunate thing is that every one of us know that if Elliott and Lehmann didn't make the runs no-one else was capable of doing so. Our side relies on a bloke who is retiring after the next 4 day game and another bloke who is 36. The rest are sh1thouse except for Cosgrove. God help SA cricket.

[Hondo]

Look at Cosgrove. He is fatter than Booney and Boof put together but he still gets picked.

Maybe not the best example to use there R-R

This is the same player who has been regressing for 2 seasons? The same player on the verge of Australian selection 2 years ago and now not even in the pecking order?

I think Cossie could do worse than sort his fitness level out TBH

[rod_rooster]

Look at Cosgrove. He is fatter than Booney and Boof put together but he still gets picked.

Maybe not the best example to use there R-R

This is the same player who has been regressing for 2 seasons? The same player on the verge of Australian selection 2 years ago and now not even in the pecking order?

I think Cossie could do worse than sort his fitness level out TBH

Yes he could increase his fitness level. It would help him out no doubt. He still gets picked though. This is my point. He is fat. Quite fat. He is still able to be picked because no-one else can do better. The beauty of cricket. Warne was a fat, chain smoking womaniser but he is the best we've seen. These guys are cricketers not athletes. Stop trying to make them so.

[Rik E Boy]

The rest are sh1thouse except for Cosgrove.

Cosgrove isn't much better. Bottom hand technique and a real slogger. He does have a good eye and can be dangerous but his lack of fitness will eventually lead to injuries and a shortened career.

regards,

REB

[sasquatch]

The rest are sh1thouse except for Cosgrove.

Cosgrove isn't much better. Bottom hand technique and a real slogger. He does have a good eye and can be dangerous but his lack of fitness will eventually lead to injuries and a shortened career.

regards,

REB

Injuries?
Shortened career?

Bring on WATTO!

[smac]

No option for all 3?

As sad as it is, it was time for boof to go - glad he could go out with a bang in the franger (I'm sure we all wish we could go out that way ).

Sorrell may as well not be there, hasn't shown any worth at all. Marsh has had his time and has proven he is in the wrong role - perhaps he should be coach, but not in his current role.

[Stumps]

marsh & sorell- two reasons
1) how has SACA progressed since marsh's appointment? Answer- it hasnt
2) if lehmann was as good a leader/mentor as he says he is, marsh wouldnt have had a problem with him- there must be more to it

[Rik E Boy]

Bit harsh on the coach. Coaching Richmond would be an easier gig.

regards,

REB

[am Bays]

Cricket aint footy. An old bloke with a good eye can still be better than a young really fit bloke. Look at Cosgrove. He is fatter than Booney and Boof put together but he still gets picked. He has a good eye and can make runs. Lehmann may not be the fittest bloke in the world. He may not train hard but he is easily in the best XI for SA. That should be enough. Unfortunately washed up has beens and some never have beens are believing the answer to the fact that SA cricket is in shambles is to force the retirement of one of the very few decent cricketers we have.

Last night was a wonderful display of batting from SA. The unfortunate thing is that every one of us know that if Elliott and Lehmann didn't make the runs no-one else was capable of doing so. Our side relies on a bloke who is retiring after the next 4 day game and another bloke who is 36. The rest are sh1thouse except for Cosgrove. God help SA cricket.

I do not for one minute expect cricketers to be able to run 3 km in 10 min or regularly get 15 on the Multi-stage fitness test (elite fitness levels for AFL footy). I ask the question has Cosgrove ever batted for a whole day? If he wants to play international cricket he has to be able to consistantly bat for over two session and he doesn't. Yes he is talented but I would argue that one of the resons why he can look so good for a session but then gets out in the 60-70s (on a good day) is because he gets fatigued. This leads to a miniscule lapse in technique and or concentration and in 1st class cricket when that happens you are out.

If he gets fitter i.e level 12 on the Beep test can run 3km in 12 mins (hold 4 min kms) which is less than the average SANFL player he will make more runs and then play international cricket as his talent suggest he should.

[Aerie]

Agree that Cossie should be able to bat for a day and reckon he has before. He is easily the pick of the current Redbacks batsmen. It is his ability to bat for long periods and not his shape that people should be concerned about. I think him being suspended for being overweight a couple of years ago not only cost SA a spot in the Pura Cup final, but also set him back a fair bit. These issues should have been handled internally.

Having said that, while his talent can get him through to playing first class cricket for SA, he'll need to work triple as hard as everyone else to be considered for a spot in the Australian Test team.

As for who to sack. It certainly shouldn't be Sorrell. He was appointed coach after Lehmann lost the captaincy. If it was Marsh who pushed for Lehmann to vacate the captaincy then I don't agree with that decision. Lehmann should have been captain this year and retired at the end of the season with the expectation someone will be ready to take over for next season. Someone who has cemented their spot in the side - even if it was still Adcock.

[Hondo]

Lets be honest, the % of out of shape Pura Cup players is far less today than it was 20 years ago

Ditto International cricketers

So if you are overweight you have to be that much better than the rest to compensate than you used to have to be

So if you aren't exceptionally better (ie Warnie) then you had better do the hard work to keep up with the rest

My feeling is that there are plenty of lower grades to have a bowl & a bat for fun and do what you want outside cricket but if you are going to represent my state (one level down from test cricket) then do the hard yards FFS!

[Dog_ger]

I stand by my vote.

I voted Lehmann.

Look, he is a great player but we South Aussies hang onto our older players too much...!

If there is no-one else, something is wrong....!

Something is Wrong with SA Cricket.......!

Have a Royal Commision......

FIND THE PROBLEM AND FIX IT......

[Grahaml]

If you had to vote for at least one, and it was only in their current roles and didn't affect any future roles with the SACA or the redbacks the choice is clearly Darren Lehmann. Has struggled to even get on the field this season, which is his last. We were going to lose him for sure in 5 months time while Sorrell and Marsh can go on in their roles for many years.

Anyway, at least the SACA have shown they're willing to make hard decisions for the betterment of cricket. Whether that works or not is another story of course.