ODI Series v England

[Jim05]

Someone please define 'real cricket' for me thanks

Tests or Sheffield Shield
Both of those are not compromised to make it easier for batsmen.

[Stumps]

might be a slightly different topic but

very few bowlers these days have a yorker 'on tap' to deliver at the death.

yesterdays last over by coulter nile he kept following buttler, who was cramped and only got 11 off the over but each ball could have gone for 6 on length.

Look at arafat for perth scorchers in the big bash- cant say it is a batsmans game when he is bowling. I dont care what the bats are like and how big the boundaries are- if your a crafty good bowler you can still make people look silly at the crease.

This is how to do it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1oO6KvVTP4

[Grahaml]

At the MCG with fielders set square, only an idiot tries to bowl 6 yorkers.

[Rik E Boy]

Someone please define 'real cricket' for me thanks

Tests or Sheffield Shield
Both of those are not compromised to make it easier for batsmen.

Not that hard to figure out and beautifully answered.

regards,

REB

[Stumps]

At the MCG with fielders set square, only an idiot tries to bowl 6 yorkers.

I assume you are joking

[Stumps]

FWIW the second ball of coulter niles over yesterday was a good yorker 3 inches outside off...it was a dot.

[Grahaml]

You can do one or two, but once it gets predictable for the batsmen then it gets a lot easier for the batsmen to get boundaries. Half a foot step and it's a half volley, half a step forward and it's a full toss. Even if the bowler gets it spot on.

As soon as Clarke had two men deep on the off and two men deep on the leg, the bowling was going to have to be mostly short.

[Stumps]

I hear your point and maybe the odd change up is a good idea. but the good ones can adjust and you just have to look at the youtube to see how vaas adjusts. The reason Coulter nile and others dont bowl yorkers more often is because they and the captain know they cant so settle for 6-12 runs off by setting square fields and allowing singles and twos. (IMO)
It is a dying art in one dayers and test matches I think

[westozfalcon]

I thought Chris J ordan bowled superbly. Generally was on a good line and rarely overpitched. Desperately unlucky when he found Finch's outside edge with a good nut only for the 2nd slip to have been moved after the previous ball (Cook can't get anything right this tour).
If he could find an extra 6-7km/h with the same level of control, he would be a very dangerous Test opening bowler for the Poms. They need a proper, genuine quick.

By comparison Boyd Rankin bowled absolute garbage, just like in the Sydney Test. Too much sliding down leg side. On the rare occasions he bowled outside off stump it was dropping short. He's obviously anxious and tentative about pinging a hammy and has lost all control. Should be sent home now to get fit because he's a major liability to the attack.

[RoosterMarty]

Someone please define 'real cricket' for me thanks

Tests or Sheffield Shield
Both of those are not compromised to make it easier for batsmen.

I'd consider some of the roads dished up a compromise.

[Grahaml]

I hear your point and maybe the odd change up is a good idea. but the good ones can adjust and you just have to look at the youtube to see how vaas adjusts. The reason Coulter nile and others dont bowl yorkers more often is because they and the captain know they cant so settle for 6-12 runs off by setting square fields and allowing singles and twos. (IMO)
It is a dying art in one dayers and test matches I think

The bowler can't adjust as much as the batsman can. The bowler can't change where the ball goes once it leaves his hand. This is something that has evolved recently. Vaas was good at the yorker, but bowled at a time when the batsmen had less shots at their disposal. The other factor is the MCG is shorter straight than many grounds and very deep out wide. I think you also forget you have 1 less fielder outside the circle these days.

It's not a dying art at all, in fact bowlers are improving their control and tricks dramatically. The game has evolved away from a stock standard everything yorker length tactic you used to see late in games because it was no longer the most effective method. I guarantee if it was, teams would do it and would be winning.

[Stumps]

Tune out others if bored but I find this an interesting topic .. Graham, i reckon teams arent doing it because the current crop of bowlers arent good enough. I agree the game has evolved away from the Vaas style of closing over but you watch it evolve back when someone is good at it. Ie Arafat from the scorchers- a topic that you havent given me a counter argument for. As for shots at their disposal In the super over the other night Smith tried to ramp him, it was a poorly executed yorker but was still an off speed low full toss that skittled him and made him look silly. Then henriques tried to charge him, and arafat adjusted and yorked him. If the bowler watches the batsman he can adjust easilt as their is very little a batsman can move or do in the 0.2 second between release and shot,

check out this link of coulter niles (for example) beehive/pitch map

http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2 ... ew=hawkeye

to summarise. The full balls outside off are almost all dots, the straight balls that are for whatever reason shorter have all been hit to the leg side for 1-3 runs.

Another bowler who looks an ideal death bowler is Stokes. his beehive is v similar.

Note that these beehives show the runs hit off a certain length of ball irrespective of what shot the batsman tries to play. Mckay bowled not one half volley or yorker but hit a great length with the new ball (as you should) and used his slower balls and cutters late in the innings with moderate success.

I take Mckay to Jos Buttler as a prime example yet again- if coulter nile had replicated that yorker 3-4 inches outside off for 4 of the balls, and got even 2 wrong that were six inches short or full but still 4 inches outside off- he is not going for 11 runs bowling at 140kph.

I think if the aussies can get this death bowling right they can win the world cup. Even ponting said the other night on the big bash Australia haven't had a good death bowler for years as they cant execute their yorkers.

[MightyEagles]

Stand up if your 6 nil up.

[Squids]

Cook makes 1 against the Prime Ministers XI

[Hazbeen]

Cook makes 1 against the Prime Ministers XI

Brett Lee got him caught behind 2nd ball then Root for 5 as well. Poms currently 6/170, Muirhead has 3 wkts

[Mr Beefy]

Cook makes 1 against the Prime Ministers XI

Brett Lee got him caught behind 2nd ball then Root for 5 as well. Poms currently 6/170, Muirhead has 3 wkts

Did Root challenge the decision? He never reckons he is out

[Jim05]

Cook makes 1 against the Prime Ministers XI

Brett Lee got him caught behind 2nd ball then Root for 5 as well. Poms currently 6/170, Muirhead has 3 wkts

Root made 1 off 14

[carey]

Cook makes 1 against the Prime Ministers XI

Brett Lee got him caught behind 2nd ball then Root for 5 as well. Poms currently 6/170, Muirhead has 3 wkts

Did Root challenge the decision? He never reckons he is out

He must of watched a lot Shane Watson growing up

[carey]

No more talk in here I then seen the result and understand why.

[Q.]

Congratulations on beating Australia's D-Grade