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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby beeroclock » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:58 am

Certainly wont be enough kids to fill two u/16 and two u/14 sides across the board without a total raid on ATCA clubs and I can tell you the ATCA clubs have had a gut full of their home grown kids leaving as is.
Half of the kids now are not up to district standards and it will only get worse.
SA cricket is an un organised mess.
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby heater31 » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:10 pm

beeroclock wrote:Certainly wont be enough kids to fill two u/16 and two u/14 sides across the board without a total raid on ATCA clubs and I can tell you the ATCA clubs have had a gut full of their home grown kids leaving as is.
Half of the kids now are not up to district standards and it will only get worse.
SA cricket is an un organised mess.



rumoured to be 1 16's team to go.

Don't see why the ATCA clubs are bitching because if their local grade club has a good structure they will receive excellent coaching and if they ATCA club plays their cards right will get the player back eventually. Might be at 17 years old or maybe 27 and a walk up A grader for them.
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby beeroclock » Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:43 pm

heater31 wrote:
beeroclock wrote:Certainly wont be enough kids to fill two u/16 and two u/14 sides across the board without a total raid on ATCA clubs and I can tell you the ATCA clubs have had a gut full of their home grown kids leaving as is.
Half of the kids now are not up to district standards and it will only get worse.
SA cricket is an un organised mess.



rumoured to be 1 16's team to go.

Don't see why the ATCA clubs are bitching because if their local grade club has a good structure they will receive excellent coaching and if they ATCA club plays their cards right will get the player back eventually. Might be at 17 years old or maybe 27 and a walk up A grader for them.

District clubs survive on revenue as do ATCA clubs.
You have just given a potential 10 year gap on returning to their grass roots .
Imagine that situation in the face of an ATCA club manager year in year out.
I'm sure you have limited understanding of how far the well is actually deep these days.
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby heater31 » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:15 pm

beeroclock wrote:
heater31 wrote:
beeroclock wrote:Certainly wont be enough kids to fill two u/16 and two u/14 sides across the board without a total raid on ATCA clubs and I can tell you the ATCA clubs have had a gut full of their home grown kids leaving as is.
Half of the kids now are not up to district standards and it will only get worse.
SA cricket is an un organised mess.



rumoured to be 1 16's team to go.

Don't see why the ATCA clubs are bitching because if their local grade club has a good structure they will receive excellent coaching and if they ATCA club plays their cards right will get the player back eventually. Might be at 17 years old or maybe 27 and a walk up A grader for them.

District clubs survive on revenue as do ATCA clubs.
You have just given a potential 10 year gap on returning to their grass roots .
Imagine that situation in the face of an ATCA club manager year in year out.
I'm sure you have limited understanding of how far the well is actually deep these days.


Turn over of kids coming into senior ranks should be between 5 and 10 players per season. At my club less than 5 each year transition into senior cricket at Grade level. Where do the others go? Some drift back to community cricket or don't play at all.
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby Footy Smart » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:04 am

beeroclock wrote:
heater31 wrote:
beeroclock wrote:Certainly wont be enough kids to fill two u/16 and two u/14 sides across the board without a total raid on ATCA clubs and I can tell you the ATCA clubs have had a gut full of their home grown kids leaving as is.
Half of the kids now are not up to district standards and it will only get worse.
SA cricket is an un organised mess.



rumoured to be 1 16's team to go.

Don't see why the ATCA clubs are bitching because if their local grade club has a good structure they will receive excellent coaching and if they ATCA club plays their cards right will get the player back eventually. Might be at 17 years old or maybe 27 and a walk up A grader for them.

District clubs survive on revenue as do ATCA clubs.
You have just given a potential 10 year gap on returning to their grass roots .
Imagine that situation in the face of an ATCA club manager year in year out.
I'm sure you have limited understanding of how far the well is actually deep these days.


The majority of kids still play both Grade and ATCA comps – well our lads do anyway and the Grade clubs should encourage them playing in both as long as ATCA kids aren’t missing out on a game (that is something for the ATCA clubs to manage). And as Heater said, the opportunity to make it from 16s to Seniors is minimal and if the kids still have their ties with the ATCA club they should filter their way back.
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby Bulls forever » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:46 pm

You old boys can keep your grudge, that’s fine doesn’t really matter what a couple of key board warriors think. The facts of the present set up at TTGDCC which you conveniently haven’t acknowledged make your grudge defunct. So while you keep living in the past we will keep adding to the current and future batch of State players.[/quote]
To be fair to DOOL a keyboard warrior is harsh, probably one of the most qualified on this site when talking about grade cricket.[/quote]

Heard FS was copping some flak so thought I would put DOOL in his place again. DOOL most of the posters here we know where their club allegiance is. Not you, last time I questioned you about it your disappeared for some time. Time to do the same again. Bye Bye.

The PL concept is an idea that SACA has been working on for 9 months. To present a 6 team comp with a starting date of Septemebr 13, and oh we don't know who the 6th team is yet, is testing the intelligence of those associated with grade cricket. You mention the DLA, but remember, they generally don't send bowlers, for good reason of course. Perhaps we could group all the interstate recruits together and play them as the Cox cricket Academy. Memo to SACA - if you present to a group of highly qualified people, make the presentation complete.
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby daysofourlives » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:51 pm

Bulls forever wrote:You old boys can keep your grudge, that’s fine doesn’t really matter what a couple of key board warriors think. The facts of the present set up at TTGDCC which you conveniently haven’t acknowledged make your grudge defunct. So while you keep living in the past we will keep adding to the current and future batch of State players.

To be fair to DOOL a keyboard warrior is harsh, probably one of the most qualified on this site when talking about grade cricket.[/quote]

Heard FS was copping some flak so thought I would put DOOL in his place again. DOOL most of the posters here we know where their club allegiance is. Not you, last time I questioned you about it your disappeared for some time. Time to do the same again. Bye Bye.

The PL concept is an idea that SACA has been working on for 9 months. To present a 6 team comp with a starting date of Septemebr 13, and oh we don't know who the 6th team is yet, is testing the intelligence of those associated with grade cricket. You mention the DLA, but remember, they generally don't send bowlers, for good reason of course. Perhaps we could group all the interstate recruits together and play them as the Cox cricket Academy. Memo to SACA - if you present to a group of highly qualified people, make the presentation complete.[/quote]

My highly successful club doesnt exist anymore in its own right. See what you make of that champ. We were one that did the right thing to make grade cricket stronger despite being one of the most successful clubs and producing a massive line of top class state cricketers. We were probably the only club at the time that had any right to say we are doing just fine by ourselves and refuse to amalgamate.
By the way Trav Head would just about be your most successful ever state player by now, congratulations. Really does put into perspective your clubs history in producing state players doesn't it.
This is my last comment on the matter as you and Notso don't seem to be picking up what i'm putting down.
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby Bulls forever » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:37 pm

daysofourlives wrote:
Bulls forever wrote:You old boys can keep your grudge, that’s fine doesn’t really matter what a couple of key board warriors think. The facts of the present set up at TTGDCC which you conveniently haven’t acknowledged make your grudge defunct. So while you keep living in the past we will keep adding to the current and future batch of State players.

To be fair to DOOL a keyboard warrior is harsh, probably one of the most qualified on this site when talking about grade cricket.


Heard FS was copping some flak so thought I would put DOOL in his place again. DOOL most of the posters here we know where their club allegiance is. Not you, last time I questioned you about it your disappeared for some time. Time to do the same again. Bye Bye.

The PL concept is an idea that SACA has been working on for 9 months. To present a 6 team comp with a starting date of Septemebr 13, and oh we don't know who the 6th team is yet, is testing the intelligence of those associated with grade cricket. You mention the DLA, but remember, they generally don't send bowlers, for good reason of course. Perhaps we could group all the interstate recruits together and play them as the Cox cricket Academy. Memo to SACA - if you present to a group of highly qualified people, make the presentation complete.[/quote]

My highly successful club doesnt exist anymore in its own right. See what you make of that champ. We were one that did the right thing to make grade cricket stronger despite being one of the most successful clubs and producing a massive line of top class state cricketers. We were probably the only club at the time that had any right to say we are doing just fine by ourselves and refuse to amalgamate.
By the way Trav Head would just about be your most successful ever state player by now, congratulations. Really does put into perspective your clubs history in producing state players doesn't it.
This is my last comment on the matter as you and Notso don't seem to be picking up what i'm putting down.[/quote]

Incorrect Jimbo or DOOL, your club does exist, suggest you visit the club and look upon the history of the SDCC and you will see that their proud history does exist. It was on through the foresight of the late Bruce Joly and his board that you are now called ND, one of the great cricket administrators. In the scheme of things your comments mean nothing to my club or anyone associated with it, you will not influence 1 thing about cricket in this State and I also take it you have been banned by now, so probably won't read this, anyone my past comment stands, bye bye.
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby heater31 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:46 pm

Moving on from the Northern Districts/Salisbury v TTG slanging match.....


apparently SACA has already selected squads for next season. They could be in for a rude shock when most of the players picked refuse to play in it. Yet to come across someone in Grade cricket (from several clubs mind you) that is for it.
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby daysofourlives » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:03 pm

heater31 wrote:Moving on from the Northern Districts/Salisbury v TTG slanging match.....


apparently SACA has already selected squads for next season. They could be in for a rude shock when most of the players picked refuse to play in it. Yet to come across someone in Grade cricket (from several clubs mind you) that is for it.


Oh well just pick young guys from Turf clubs then :roll:
I'm sure we can get 44 guys to play.

Any word yet when they are going to play?
I imagine they will try and have state players available for as much as they can
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby RustyCage » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:37 pm

heater31 wrote:Moving on from the Northern Districts/Salisbury v TTG slanging match.....


apparently SACA has already selected squads for next season. They could be in for a rude shock when most of the players picked refuse to play in it. Yet to come across someone in Grade cricket (from several clubs mind you) that is for it.


sad state of affairs if so many people playing the game don't want to represent our state.
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby smac » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:03 pm

Best interesting how many actually knock back an invitation to play.
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby heater31 » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:08 pm

smac wrote:Best interesting how many actually knock back an invitation to play.



Why would Jason Borgas want to play? He has been in the system and was spat out, still easily one of the best batsmen at Grade level.

Jake Brown from Kensington is another.


Grade Cricket is the SANFL for Cricketers yet they are still amateurs trying to make it in a professional environment.
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby smac » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:41 pm

Will still be interesting. Some will enjoy the ego stroke that comes with an invitation.
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby mickey » Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:40 pm

heater31 wrote:
smac wrote:Best interesting how many actually knock back an invitation to play.



Why would Jason Borgas want to play? He has been in the system and was spat out, still easily one of the best batsmen at Grade level.

Jake Brown from Kensington is another.


Grade Cricket is the SANFL for Cricketers yet they are still amateurs trying to make it in a professional environment.


You can add at least half a dozen more to that list... the fact SACA have shafted many a cricketer over the years won't help their cause.
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby MAY-Z » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:53 am

pafc1870 wrote:
heater31 wrote:Moving on from the Northern Districts/Salisbury v TTG slanging match.....


apparently SACA has already selected squads for next season. They could be in for a rude shock when most of the players picked refuse to play in it. Yet to come across someone in Grade cricket (from several clubs mind you) that is for it.


sad state of affairs if so many people playing the game don't want to represent our state.


thats right, we really should just pick our state team from players from nsw who cant get a game as tehy seem like dedicated cricketers and most of them that do go interstate suceed, the only reason it is coming to this is becauase all the grade clubs insist on surviving rather than merging and stregthening the competition
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby hawks21 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:45 pm

MAY-Z wrote:
pafc1870 wrote:
heater31 wrote:Moving on from the Northern Districts/Salisbury v TTG slanging match.....


apparently SACA has already selected squads for next season. They could be in for a rude shock when most of the players picked refuse to play in it. Yet to come across someone in Grade cricket (from several clubs mind you) that is for it.


sad state of affairs if so many people playing the game don't want to represent our state.


Your missing the point. It isnt a matter of not wanting to represent the state. Nearly every cricketer in SA would love to play for the Redbacks. It's about being realistic and knowing that the cricketers chances of playing for SA has past them. They would much rather play grade cricket with mates.

It will end up being an under 23 competition with a few fringe State players in each side.
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby whufc » Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:50 pm

Well then it will sort out which under 23's are potential talents and who isn't.

I'm still not seeing a bad side to this comp
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby daysofourlives » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:12 pm

hawks21 wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:
pafc1870 wrote:
heater31 wrote:Moving on from the Northern Districts/Salisbury v TTG slanging match.....


apparently SACA has already selected squads for next season. They could be in for a rude shock when most of the players picked refuse to play in it. Yet to come across someone in Grade cricket (from several clubs mind you) that is for it.


sad state of affairs if so many people playing the game don't want to represent our state.


Your missing the point. It isnt a matter of not wanting to represent the state. Nearly every cricketer in SA would love to play for the Redbacks. It's about being realistic and knowing that the cricketers chances of playing for SA has past them. They would much rather play grade cricket with mates.

It will end up being an under 23 competition with a few fringe State players in each side.


Thats what you do at suburban levels of cricket, grade clubs are there to produce state cricketers.
Sure u play with some mates at grade level but the reason you have come to be at that club and have become mates is that you want to play the highest level of cricket that your talent allows
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Re: SA Premier League Cricket

Postby Dogmatic » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:17 am

pafc1870 wrote:
heater31 wrote:Moving on from the Northern Districts/Salisbury v TTG slanging match.....


apparently SACA has already selected squads for next season. They could be in for a rude shock when most of the players picked refuse to play in it. Yet to come across someone in Grade cricket (from several clubs mind you) that is for it.


sad state of affairs if so many people playing the game don't want to represent our state.

I don't think this is the case.
The players are still playing the highest grade they have been selected in.
When it comes to the premier league if they were picked, they would play.
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