Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

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Re: Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

Postby spell_check » Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:19 pm

Well, he has it in him, sooner or later it has to come out in the Pura Cup...surely? [-o<
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Re: Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

Postby westcoastpanther » Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:40 pm

Plant has been making hundreds (3)..... :?
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Re: Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

Postby eags » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:32 pm

Interesting that Dan Harris gets a call-up following 2 grade tons however has only returned 26 runs @ 13 in the 2nd XI. Plant 1 ton for the Bays, 1 vs Sri Lanka and 1 in the 2nd XI where he's scored 240 @ 48 (and competition's leading runscorer in the CA Cup last year). On the other hand Cam Borgas one ton in the 2nd XI and he's back in the mix.
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Re: Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

Postby mal » Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:00 pm

eags wrote:Interesting that Dan Harris gets a call-up following 2 grade tons however has only returned 26 runs @ 13 in the 2nd XI. Plant 1 ton for the Bays, 1 vs Sri Lanka and 1 in the 2nd XI where he's scored 240 @ 48 (and competition's leading runscorer in the CA Cup last year). On the other hand Cam Borgas one ton in the 2nd XI and he's back in the mix.


Its a o/d game thats why Dan Harris got a gig before Tom Plant who is not a o/d type
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Re: Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

Postby mal » Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:18 pm

NFC wrote:Worst 4 day player in the country. Man oh man he is hopeless, time to get some youth in there.


Despite his magnificent 146 v WA in the f/cup game nothings changed
For a player of his abundance of talent to average 20 odd in 3 seasons of p/cup cricket
is simply not good enough.
I am sure if his mates SOOTERS/BULLDOG asked him Matt would agree about his p/c form.
A few people are having a go at NFC but if you read the above quote it has nothing
to do with his o/d form.

I watch the SA games passionately and would love to see Matt make me eat my words.
On livelier p/cup decks he is still a liability in the slips cordons
On flatter o/d decks he gets a start and cashes in.

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Re: Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

Postby mal » Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:22 pm

locky801 wrote:any truth in the rumour that it wasn't his hanky he was pulling out of his pocket today in that great innings but a printout of this thread :wink:


And this thread is about his pura cup form
Locky put your post in Best Jokes where it belongs :wink:
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Re: Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

Postby mal » Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:23 pm

NFC wrote:
spell_check wrote:Elliott must be in the Pura Cup team simply in the hope his one day form will carry over in the 4 day format.

I would like to agree, but we've been hoping this will be the case for 2.5 years.


Sorry Spelly but NFC wins this hands down
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Re: Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

Postby rod_rooster » Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:48 am

mal wrote:
NFC wrote:
spell_check wrote:Elliott must be in the Pura Cup team simply in the hope his one day form will carry over in the 4 day format.

I would like to agree, but we've been hoping this will be the case for 2.5 years.


Sorry Spelly but NFC wins this hands down


In your opinion mal. Your not always right youknow :wink:
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Re: Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

Postby SOTTERS » Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:26 am

Lets not forget he has made the most runs out of our top bat six batsman in Pura Cup as well. MEL and nfc have no idea :shock: .
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Re: Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

Postby mal » Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:08 am

mal wrote:
GWW wrote:If there was a young opening batsman to take his place it would be easier to drop Elliott. I had big hopes for Jason Borgas at the start of the season but it appears hes not ready to be a consistent performer at first class level just yet.

So i think its fair enough Elliott stays in the side for the time being.


J BORGAS V M ELLIOTT 2006-2007

ELLIOTT
19
7
0
6
43
81
0
5
16
4
9
3
0
0

193 RUNS
13-79 AVE

J BORGAS
18
7
66
68
38
95
27
1
5
83

408 RUNS
40-8 AVE

After one game this season J Borgas was dropped ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
What message does this send to young players in SA ?


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Re: Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

Postby Hondo » Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:24 am

Of our specialist batsmen Herb is ranked second on this season's PC averages - at 29.0 its not great but its better than most of his batting team-mates

So to call for his head now because of what happened in 2005-06 and 2006-07 is cutting off your nose to spite your face

Besides, what will being dropped from PC do to his confidence and form in the FC?
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Re: Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

Postby mal » Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:28 am

bulldogproud wrote:Most cricket purists know that first innings runs are worth a lot more than second innings runs. Herb's efforts in first innings' this season have been:

V Victoria 42 (top score of specialist batsmen)
v Tasmania 55 (top score of specialist batsmen)
V New South Wales 6
v Western Australia 58
V Queensland 78 (top score of specialist batsmen)
v Western Australia 26 (top score of specialist batsmen)

In all, 265 @ 44.17 and being the topscoring specialist batsman 67% of the time.

Cheers


You forgot the last 2 seasons for Herbs first innings

2005-2006
20
5
1
16

2006-2007
19
0
43
0
16
9
0

11 innings
129 runs
11-72 average

Top scoring speciallist batsman = 0 %
If first innings are worth more ....

The reason why NFC /JACKPOT JIM /MAL will keep at this topic is because
the people that are defending Matts p/cup record need to find a white flag
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Re: Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

Postby Hondo » Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:55 am

Mal there's a difference between defending his PC record and saying right now is not the time to drop him, given the circumstances.

His record in 2007-08 stacks up against other batsmen, his FC form is outstanding and there is not an obvious option. Plant has many, many years ahead of him to get his opportunity.

NFC needs to start being balanced on our players - some guys he attacks others he come up with excuses for (such as Deitz - averaging 20 but never been lucky enough to have his own thread).
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Re: Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

Postby rod_rooster » Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:55 am

Exactly what hondo said. I'm not defending him just pointing out that there is not a better option. He isn't doing very well in the 4 day games but he is still doing as well or better than any other specialist batsman.
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Re: Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

Postby bulldogproud » Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:24 pm

Also, as said numerous times on here, Herb has been the topscoring upper order batsman in the first innings of four of our six Pura Cup matches this season. Noone is performing as well as Herb. Why select him for the knife?
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Re: Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

Postby spell_check » Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:45 pm

Someone said on here that Elliott should be given a chance at no. 4-6 and put Plant in as opener. I like that idea - who to drop from the side would be the next question, but I think that's worth a shot.
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Re: Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

Postby the wonder elephant » Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:24 am

spell_check wrote:Someone said on here that Elliott should be given a chance at no. 4-6 and put Plant in as opener. I like that idea - who to drop from the side would be the next question, but I think that's worth a shot.

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