Redbacks - the solution

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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby Footy Smart » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:44 pm

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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Personally I think 4 compulsory senior teams is too many..

Play A & B in the grade comp..

Forge stronger ties with the ATCA and play the c d e grades in the turf comp...


Now that would be a great idea. The younger lads not ready for A/B grade level would still gain experience playing against men in Turf cricket.


Then when the kids develop the community club offers them $$ to stay - ego's get scratched and end of their development

also it will never happen, the structure aint broke, to many teams only main issue

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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby Failed Creation » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:57 pm

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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Personally I think 4 compulsory senior teams is too many..

Play A & B in the grade comp..

Forge stronger ties with the ATCA and play the c d e grades in the turf comp...


Now that would be a great idea. The younger lads not ready for A/B grade level would still gain experience playing against men in Turf cricket.


Then when the kids develop the community club offers them $$ to stay - ego's get scratched and end of their development

also it will never happen, the structure aint broke, to many teams only main issue

pie in the sky


Good call there FS, I didn't think of that.
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby Footy Smart » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:00 pm

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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Personally I think 4 compulsory senior teams is too many..

Play A & B in the grade comp..

Forge stronger ties with the ATCA and play the c d e grades in the turf comp...


Now that would be a great idea. The younger lads not ready for A/B grade level would still gain experience playing against men in Turf cricket.


Then when the kids develop the community club offers them $$ to stay - ego's get scratched and end of their development

also it will never happen, the structure aint broke, to many teams only main issue

pie in the sky


Good call there FS, I didn't think of that.



You cant have half half set ups. Its near on impossible to organise a player not selected a game back at a community club. The structure isnt broken, its the clubs responsabuility to provide the best coaching and facilities to improve the young talent not just at Juniors but when they come up to seniors. I know TTGDCC is very much focused on this!
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby mickey » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:13 pm

You missed the point...

You still play for your saca club...

The A and B grades play in the Grade/District cricket comp.

Then it's upto the club how many other senior teams they nominate..

If they continue with 4.. the c and d grades filter into the current turf competition...
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby heater31 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:17 pm

mickey wrote:You missed the point...

You still play for your saca club...

The A and B grades play in the Grade/District cricket comp.

Then it's upto the club how many other senior teams they nominate..

If they continue with 4.. the c and d grades filter into the current turf competition...


Other issue is the ATCA has messed with programming this season to include more 20/20 cricket due to apparently most clubs wanting it. Now very few rounds of Grade and Turf cricket line up.
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby mickey » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:26 pm

This season yes... but in future that's easily fixed...

I just don't think forcing clubs to have x amount of teams improves the standard if cricket..
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby smac » Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:17 pm

Once grade cricket decides if it is elite or community cricket, it will have a chance of achieving that aim. Until then it tries to do both and falls short of everything.

In the meantime, premier league will try to fill the elite gap and fall short because the grade system will interfere instead of support it.

But there are so many more things wrong than just this. Too many road blocks for it to be fixed in a hurry.
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby scoob » Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:53 pm

Just sack Chuck and see how that goes FFS!
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby Media Park » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:19 am

In two years, Darren Berry has got SA a T20 title, and a Ryobi Cup one (It's still called Ryobi, yeah?).

Whilst the improvement (or lack thereof) in Shield cricket is disappointing, I'm not going to call for anyone's head after two games.

Phil Hughes, Lyon, Christian, Cooper, Ferguson all have played a decent amount of international cricket.
George, Putland, Mennie all look the goods when they are on song.
It wasn't that long ago that we were saying that Klinger should be around the mark of an Australian call up.
Johan Botha despite a poor start is a more than solid first class cricketer.

We have young guys coming through, alá Head and Worrall, and I think he (Berry) has laid the foundations for improvement throughout the season.
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby scoob » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:51 am

Media Park wrote:In two years, Darren Berry has got SA a T20 title, and a Ryobi Cup one (It's still called Ryobi, yeah?).

Whilst the improvement (or lack thereof) in Shield cricket is disappointing, I'm not going to call for anyone's head after two games.

Phil Hughes, Lyon, Christian, Cooper, Ferguson all have played a decent amount of international cricket.
George, Putland, Mennie all look the goods when they are on song.
It wasn't that long ago that we were saying that Klinger should be around the mark of an Australian call up.
Johan Botha despite a poor start is a more than solid first class cricketer.

We have young guys coming through, alá Head and Worrall, and I think he (Berry) has laid the foundations for improvement throughout the season.


George isn't even getting a game and despite all this international experience we have gone backwards from last year! If that is not Chucks fault then I don't know who's it is!

Foundations for improvement?!?!?! FFS it's not hard to improve on 0 wins - cand he can't do that!!!

SACK HIM FFS!!!
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby Footy Smart » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:18 am

scoob wrote:
Media Park wrote:In two years, Darren Berry has got SA a T20 title, and a Ryobi Cup one (It's still called Ryobi, yeah?).

Whilst the improvement (or lack thereof) in Shield cricket is disappointing, I'm not going to call for anyone's head after two games.

Phil Hughes, Lyon, Christian, Cooper, Ferguson all have played a decent amount of international cricket.
George, Putland, Mennie all look the goods when they are on song.
It wasn't that long ago that we were saying that Klinger should be around the mark of an Australian call up.
Johan Botha despite a poor start is a more than solid first class cricketer.

We have young guys coming through, alá Head and Worrall, and I think he (Berry) has laid the foundations for improvement throughout the season.


George isn't even getting a game and despite all this international experience we have gone backwards from last year! If that is not Chucks fault then I don't know who's it is!

Foundations for improvement?!?!?! FFS it's not hard to improve on 0 wins - cand he can't do that!!!

SACK HIM FFS!!!


Geroge didnt have a good pre season, the first game I saw him bowl in he was well below his normal standard.
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby scoob » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:20 am

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Media Park wrote:In two years, Darren Berry has got SA a T20 title, and a Ryobi Cup one (It's still called Ryobi, yeah?).

Whilst the improvement (or lack thereof) in Shield cricket is disappointing, I'm not going to call for anyone's head after two games.

Phil Hughes, Lyon, Christian, Cooper, Ferguson all have played a decent amount of international cricket.
George, Putland, Mennie all look the goods when they are on song.
It wasn't that long ago that we were saying that Klinger should be around the mark of an Australian call up.
Johan Botha despite a poor start is a more than solid first class cricketer.

We have young guys coming through, alá Head and Worrall, and I think he (Berry) has laid the foundations for improvement throughout the season.


George isn't even getting a game and despite all this international experience we have gone backwards from last year! If that is not Chucks fault then I don't know who's it is!

Foundations for improvement?!?!?! FFS it's not hard to improve on 0 wins - cand he can't do that!!!

SACK HIM FFS!!!


Geroge didnt have a good pre season, the first game I saw him bowl in he was well below his normal standard.


Seems to be back in a bit of form in the futures game...

Considering we took 3 wickets vs Tas don't think he could've done much worse.
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby Footy Smart » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:31 am

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Media Park wrote:In two years, Darren Berry has got SA a T20 title, and a Ryobi Cup one (It's still called Ryobi, yeah?).

Whilst the improvement (or lack thereof) in Shield cricket is disappointing, I'm not going to call for anyone's head after two games.

Phil Hughes, Lyon, Christian, Cooper, Ferguson all have played a decent amount of international cricket.
George, Putland, Mennie all look the goods when they are on song.
It wasn't that long ago that we were saying that Klinger should be around the mark of an Australian call up.
Johan Botha despite a poor start is a more than solid first class cricketer.

We have young guys coming through, alá Head and Worrall, and I think he (Berry) has laid the foundations for improvement throughout the season.


George isn't even getting a game and despite all this international experience we have gone backwards from last year! If that is not Chucks fault then I don't know who's it is!

Foundations for improvement?!?!?! FFS it's not hard to improve on 0 wins - cand he can't do that!!!

SACK HIM FFS!!!


Geroge didnt have a good pre season, the first game I saw him bowl in he was well below his normal standard.


Seems to be back in a bit of form in the futures game...

Considering we took 3 wickets vs Tas don't think he could've done much worse.


may not have done any better either. The best performing bowlers in the pre season were selected. Pretty good selection policy i reckon. Everyone bangs on about Ferg etc getting gifted a game and then they want Georgey gifted one :roll:
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby scoob » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:35 am

I understand people banging on about it when Ferg constantly fails to live up to the hype, and we takes 3 wickets in a match.
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby cheetah » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:49 am

Im from the country guys and dont get district scores in paper. Is there any young talent with bat knocking down the selection door.
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby RustyCage » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:09 pm

Perth Scorchers are out of the CL now so Joe Mennie will be on his way home.
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby helicopterking » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:14 pm

cheetah wrote:Im from the country guys and dont get district scores in paper. Is there any young talent with bat knocking down the selection door.


Not constistantly enough to warrant serious'consideration.
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby Pup » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:31 pm

pafc1870 wrote:Perth Scorchers are out of the CL now so Joe Mennie will be on his way home.


He bowled pretty well last night too.
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby Aerie » Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:21 pm

bays09 wrote:Okay, you have just received a phone call saying that the reins of south Australian cricket have been handed to you, what would you do? Change the board? Restructure grade cricket? Clean out the coaching staff? Send the team to a psychologist?


Some of the best cricket brains in the country are South Australians. Darren Lehmann and Ian Chappell. Lehmann has just won the Shield coaching Qld. Do everything you can to get him back to SA to coach the team and get support around him that he needs. Get successful South Australian cricketers to have input. If they have run ins with the board, then the board needs to go.

Perhaps a solution to Grade Cricket that doesn't force clubs to merge or abandon is to only have 8 A Grade teams (say the top 8 from the prior season) and the other 5 play B Grade as the highest level. Grand Finalists in B Grade get promoted if their club isn't already in A Grade.

i.e. based on last years ladder position you'd have the competition structured:

A Grade (8 clubs)
Woodville, West Torrens, Kensington, Sturt, Tea Tree Gully, Adelaide, Prospect, Northern Districts

B Grade (13 clubs consisting of 5 1st XI teams + 8 2nd XI teams)
Port Adelaide (A's), Glenelg (A's), Southern District (A's), East Torrens (A's), University (A's), Woodville (B's), West Torrens (B's), Kensington (B's), Sturt (B's), Tea Tree Gully (B's), Adelaide (B's), Prospect (B's), Northern Districts (B's)

C Grade (13 clubs as per B Grade)

D Grade (Optional - nominations at start of season based on club needs)

If the B Grade Grand Finalists in the example above were Port and Glenelg they would both go up and replace the bottom two A Grade sides for next season.

If the B Grade Grand Finalists in the example above were Port and Sturt, Port would go up and only the bottom A Grade team would be relegated.

If the B Grade Grand Finalists both already had teams in A Grade there would be no change.

This should make the A Grade stronger as the good players would want to be playing A Grade so may see more inter-club transfers. The B Grade would definitely be stronger and have more meaning as this is where clubs have an opportunity to be promoted. The D Grade would be used only if clubs wanted it. I'd imagine the stronger clubs would want a D Grade to have depth through the club, but those clubs that are struggling each week to fill the numbers aren't forced to have a D Grade side.
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Re: Redbacks - the solution

Postby Lightning McQueen » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:12 am

Sounds good, wont happen, the district clubs will unite and none would be willing to go into a 2nd division. Also, what if a prospective state player's home club was in B Grade, I couldn't see clubs or player's for that matter willing to have players jump between clubs.
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