Aus. v NZ - Test Series / Shaun Marsh Appreciation Thread

[Lightning McQueen]

1 - 1-1 series draw is enough to keep the trophy. Why risk losing today for the sake of making a match of it?
2 - We can't get Williamson out, full stop. He'd hold up one end with a Taylor or the tail ( who isn't actually as poor as you seem to think )

Each to their own, I would've taken the game on.

Yeah, perhaps I'm being a little too harsh in my evaluation of their tail, totally rate Taylor, after failing in the first test his odds were good to top score, I was tempted but missed the boat.

[whufc]

Winning series keeps people in jobs!!!!!!

We currently lead the series 1-0 so no need to do anything risky.

A series loss or draw here after the Ashes could be a disaster for Lehmann in particularly.

[Lightning McQueen]

Winning series keeps people in jobs!!!!!!

We currently lead the series 1-0 so no need to do anything risky.

A series loss or draw here after the Ashes could be a disaster for Lehmann in particularly.

Going back to the earlier discussion, I think Boof has either a B- or C+, has made some really good moves and brought something new to the team but maybe has been a little stale.
He has had to endure possibly the biggest tragedy that Australian cricket has ever had to deal with during his tenure.

[whufc]

Winning series keeps people in jobs!!!!!!

We currently lead the series 1-0 so no need to do anything risky.

A series loss or draw here after the Ashes could be a disaster for Lehmann in particularly.

Going back to the earlier discussion, I think Boof has either a B- or C+, has made some really good moves and brought something new to the team but maybe has been a little stale.
He has had to endure possibly the biggest tragedy that Australian cricket has ever had to deal with during his tenure.

Personally i would give him a C+

Results = C- done well at home awful away netural grade
Development for the future- C- has had heavy reliance on bringing in older blokes with only Smith and Warner becoming certs under his watch
Retirements/Tragedy- B has had to deal with the retirements of Clarke, Watson, Harris and Haddin but to be honest none were really that surprising. Led through the Hughes tragedy brilliantly imho.
Miscellaneous- D- has been some interesting moments with the initial Agars selection, Maxwell selection, re-selecting of S.Marsh, re-selecting of Watto, he has probably had more misses than hits.

Personally i think while there isnt alot of great batting talent in the shield at the moment, Lehmann has probably been slightly too incline to look for the older blokes which maybe down to his own personal experience.

But i would think that the Ashes loss plus a loss at home would be have CA starting to ask questions which is always a worry when your a coach in the current cut throat world of modern sports.

A loss or draw to NZ imho would start to put him in the C- to D range

[Q.]

Will probably give them 300-ish runs off about 50 odd overs

[whufc]

Will probably give them 300-ish runs off about 50 odd overs

Personally i don't like that deceleration as i actually see NZ as being the only potential winners from that.

NZ will have a crack and two things will happen.

1,- they will bat superb and get the win comfortably
2- they lose 3-4 wickets, cant possibly win and shut up shop for the remaining 30-35 overs which most test sides will be able to do (especially considering they have batting depth)

In that situation Australia's only hope is that NZ are kept slightly in the run chase at all times but this also offers a massive risk of one partnership being enough to cause defeat.

I think if you are going to keep the other side in the game it needs to be around 70 overs so at least if the opposition shut up shop you still have enough time to bowl them out.

[am Bays]

Personally i would give him a C+

Results = C- done well at home awful away netural grade
Development for the future- C- has had heavy reliance on bringing in older blokes with only Smith and Warner becoming certs under his watch
Retirements/Tragedy- B has had to deal with the retirements of Clarke, Watson, Harris and Haddin but to be honest none were really that surprising. Led through the Hughes tragedy brilliantly imho.
Miscellaneous- D- has been some interesting moments with the initial Agars selection, Maxwell selection, re-selecting of S.Marsh, re-selecting of Watto, he has probably had more misses than hits.

Personally i think while there isnt alot of great batting talent in the shield at the moment, Lehmann has probably been slightly too incline to look for the older blokes which maybe down to his own personal experience.

But i would think that the Ashes loss plus a loss at home would be have CA starting to ask questions which is always a worry when your a coach in the current cut throat world of modern sports.

A loss or draw to NZ imho would start to put him in the C- to D range

Didn't know he was sole selector.....

[whufc]

Personally i would give him a C+

Results = C- done well at home awful away netural grade
Development for the future- C- has had heavy reliance on bringing in older blokes with only Smith and Warner becoming certs under his watch
Retirements/Tragedy- B has had to deal with the retirements of Clarke, Watson, Harris and Haddin but to be honest none were really that surprising. Led through the Hughes tragedy brilliantly imho.
Miscellaneous- D- has been some interesting moments with the initial Agars selection, Maxwell selection, re-selecting of S.Marsh, re-selecting of Watto, he has probably had more misses than hits.

Personally i think while there isnt alot of great batting talent in the shield at the moment, Lehmann has probably been slightly too incline to look for the older blokes which maybe down to his own personal experience.

But i would think that the Ashes loss plus a loss at home would be have CA starting to ask questions which is always a worry when your a coach in the current cut throat world of modern sports.

A loss or draw to NZ imho would start to put him in the C- to D range

Didn't know he was sole selector.....

Obviously his not but in most cases rightly or wrongly the sword falls on the coach.

In the case of Agar i know it as fact that it was Lehmann that pushed for his selection.

Im actually pumped that was the only part you tore to shreds............................................................yet

[The Dark Knight]

Lead of 316 now

[The Dark Knight]

321 off 48 overs required by New Zealand to win it

[Q.]

321 off 48 overs required by New Zealand to win it

was a declaration

[am Bays]

Obviously his not but in most cases rightly or wrongly the sword falls on the coach.

In the case of Agar i know it as fact that it was Lehmann that pushed for his selection.

Im actually pumped that was the only part you tore to shreds............................................................yet

Why? It's your opinion...

[Jim05]

Pissing down in Perth, she's all over

[Jim05]

So with 2 forced changes, who comes in for Adelaide?
You just know Shaun Marsh will come in but I'd be looking elsewhere. Bowling wise Siddle was 12th this test and went back to shield but was out bowled by Pattinson and Bird was outstanding against NSW apparantly

[Gozu]

Johnson just announced he's retiring at the end of this test http://www.cricket.com.au/news/mitchell ... ign=ausvnz

I never like guys retiring in the middle of a series, surely he could've played one more and just retired after the 3rd Test here?

Just hung around long enough to pass Brett Lee it would seem too.

Sometimes you just get out of bed as a professional sportsman and go I don't want to do this anymore.....

Clearly with recent comments this has been in his thoughts for a while so why go through the motions for another 5 days? Retire on you adopted home ground the Test Match after your first home ground good way to go I think.

I don't think he should be sent to the gallows or anything but it's just always annoyed me. You made a commitment not just to your country but the blokes alongside you when you put your hand up at the beginning of the series and unless you got some sort of series ending injury I think you should hang around. It's only a three Test series what he couldn't find it himself to play just one more?

Yes it's been clear for awhile he wanted to retire and I think I read he wanted to retire after the Ashes and had was talked into playing on this summer but it never sat well with me the way Damian Martyn retired mid-Ashes series and Stuart MacGill mid-series in the West Indies either. I thought those decisions spoke a fair bit about both of those guys.

[Jim05]

Play has resumed and MJ grabs another scalp

[Q.]

Could he pull off a fairy tale ending?

[locky801]

Could he pull off a fairy tale ending?

NO

[mal]

Personally i would give him a C+

Results = C- done well at home awful away netural grade
Development for the future- C- has had heavy reliance on bringing in older blokes with only Smith and Warner becoming certs under his watch
Retirements/Tragedy- B has had to deal with the retirements of Clarke, Watson, Harris and Haddin but to be honest none were really that surprising. Led through the Hughes tragedy brilliantly imho.
Miscellaneous- D- has been some interesting moments with the initial Agars selection, Maxwell selection, re-selecting of S.Marsh, re-selecting of Watto, he has probably had more misses than hits.

Personally i think while there isnt alot of great batting talent in the shield at the moment, Lehmann has probably been slightly too incline to look for the older blokes which maybe down to his own personal experience.

But i would think that the Ashes loss plus a loss at home would be have CA starting to ask questions which is always a worry when your a coach in the current cut throat world of modern sports.

A loss or draw to NZ imho would start to put him in the C- to D range

Didn't know he was sole selector.....

Obviously his not but in most cases rightly or wrongly the sword falls on the coach.

In the case of Agar i know it as fact that it was Lehmann that pushed for his selection.

Im actually pumped that was the only part you tore to shreds............................................................yet

My turn to tear shreds the WHUFC post as well
* But i think that the Ashes loss....
Should be
* But I think that the Ashes loss...

i should have been a I [capital letter]

[Lightning McQueen]

I don't think he should be sent to the gallows or anything but it's just always annoyed me. You made a commitment not just to your country but the blokes alongside you when you put your hand up at the beginning of the series and unless you got some sort of series ending injury I think you should hang around. It's only a three Test series what he couldn't find it himself to play just one more?

Yes it's been clear for awhile he wanted to retire and I think I read he wanted to retire after the Ashes and had was talked into playing on this summer but it never sat well with me the way Damian Martyn retired mid-Ashes series and Stuart MacGill mid-series in the West Indies either. I thought those decisions spoke a fair bit about both of those guys.

I think he'd feel as though he's living in Starc's shadow, he's shorter than him, slower than him, has less variation than him, facing MJ after Starc is somewhat of a relief now.