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Postby the wonder elephant » Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:48 am

yes but warne had the last laugh 5 nil i do belive !mal the stats man how many times did warne get kp's wicket in the last 2 ashes battles ?
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Postby Grahaml » Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:46 am

Is Mal really Kevin Pietersen?
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Postby Rik E Boy » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:21 am

I think KP plays Warne better than any Englishman throughout Warne's career. He embarassed himself in the second dig in Adelaide but he did flog Warney about the park in the first dig of that test. KP's biggest danger is himself.

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Postby mal » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:59 am

Rik E Boy wrote:I think KP plays Warne better than any Englishman throughout Warne's career. He embarassed himself in the second dig in Adelaide but he did flog Warney about the park in the first dig of that test. KP's biggest danger is himself.

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Yes and he embarrased WARNE with his 159 in the first dig
An embarrased WARNE had to bowl a yard outside his leg stump just to contain him.
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Postby MAY-Z » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:53 am

mal wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:I think KP plays Warne better than any Englishman throughout Warne's career. He embarassed himself in the second dig in Adelaide but he did flog Warney about the park in the first dig of that test. KP's biggest danger is himself.

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Yes and he embarrased WARNE with his 159 in the first dig
An embarrased WARNE had to bowl a yard outside his leg stump just to contain him.


it was 158 mal, but yes warne was well and truly beaten by kp in the first dig, in fact warne has been so intimidated by kp he couldnt even catch him in 2005
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Postby Grahaml » Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:12 pm

Don't forget in the first innings Collingwood got a double ton. Must have been pretty easy to play Warne if Collingwood could play him.
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Postby Maddogmike » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:24 pm

Clap Clap Graham - Collingwood scored a decent 96 against the Aussies in the 2nd innings of the 1st test as well. Pretty sure he was in some good touch.
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Postby Rik E Boy » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:09 am

3 runs last night. Best batsman in one day cricket my ar5e.

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Postby rod_rooster » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:36 am

Rik E Boy wrote:3 runs last night. Best batsman in one day cricket my ar5e.

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Not to mention that failure occurred when his side needed him most.
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Postby am Bays » Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:02 am

rod_rooster wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:3 runs last night. Best batsman in one day cricket my ar5e.

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Not to mention that failure occurred when his side needed him most.


As opposed to Steve Waugh performances in the 1999 World Cup when defeat in the supa sixes game 120* against Seth efrica and in the semi (56 putting on 80 odd with Beavan to give us total defend when we were 4/68) meant plane rides home....

Pietersen is a good batsman average of 56 and strike rate of 91 but when the pressure is on he doesn't produce in the same way as Waugh did and currently Ponting does. Just one reason where stats don't tell teh full story and why Pietersen might be ranked the #1 batsman in teh world but in reality is puppet ruler a bit like the old leaders in the eastern bloc countries....

I also rate sangakarra ATM but he didn't produce two nights ago....
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Postby RoosterMarty » Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:53 am

After all the talk leading up to the match that KP would kill of the Proteas etc etc he failed to deliver. Maybe he should keep quiet as he is only piling more pressure on himself. Smith showed him how it was done with another great innings, he's played well this World Cup.
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Postby MAY-Z » Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:28 am

KP would have good reason to be confident against south africa,with career odi stats against them as follows.

8 matches, 457 runs @ 114.25 with 3 hundreds

if you take 1 failure in isolation you can make any cricketer look ordinary
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Postby Rik E Boy » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:41 pm

MAY-Z wrote:KP would have good reason to be confident against south africa,with career odi stats against them as follows.

8 matches, 457 runs @ 114.25 with 3 hundreds

if you take 1 failure in isolation you can make any cricketer look ordinary


Being confident is one thing but speaking out and then backing it up is another. That's why McGrath is a champion and KP merely a talented player. KP also stated that Shane Warne would never bowl him around his legs but in Adelaide this is just what happened :oops: Oops!

He's had a reasonable tourney has KP but you'd hardly call his last knock an isolated failure.

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Postby RustyCage » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:57 pm

RoosterMarty wrote:After all the talk leading up to the match that KP would kill of the Proteas etc etc he failed to deliver. Maybe he should keep quiet as he is only piling more pressure on himself. Smith showed him how it was done with another great innings, he's played well this World Cup.


When batting well, Smith is my favourite cricketer in the world to watch. Supurb timing and can hit the ball so damn hard.
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Postby MAY-Z » Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:05 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:KP would have good reason to be confident against south africa,with career odi stats against them as follows.

8 matches, 457 runs @ 114.25 with 3 hundreds

if you take 1 failure in isolation you can make any cricketer look ordinary


Being confident is one thing but speaking out and then backing it up is another. That's why McGrath is a champion and KP merely a talented player. KP also stated that Shane Warne would never bowl him around his legs but in Adelaide this is just what happened :oops: Oops!

He's had a reasonable tourney has KP but you'd hardly call his last knock an isolated failure.

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im talking about vs south africa, prior to last night hew was averaging 151.33 against them, making that failure very isolated

warney talked up his ability (and rightly so) to dismiss cullinan, mcgrath atherton etc but they werent successful every single time against them
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Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:18 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:3 runs last night. Best batsman in one day cricket my ar5e.

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wheres MAL?????????????????????????????







oh i forgot away holidaying on sunny beaches up REBS way!!!!!!
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Postby Rik E Boy » Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:23 pm

MAY-Z wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:KP would have good reason to be confident against south africa,with career odi stats against them as follows.

8 matches, 457 runs @ 114.25 with 3 hundreds

if you take 1 failure in isolation you can make any cricketer look ordinary


Being confident is one thing but speaking out and then backing it up is another. That's why McGrath is a champion and KP merely a talented player. KP also stated that Shane Warne would never bowl him around his legs but in Adelaide this is just what happened :oops: Oops!

He's had a reasonable tourney has KP but you'd hardly call his last knock an isolated failure.

regards,

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im talking about vs south africa, prior to last night hew was averaging 151.33 against them, making that failure very isolated

warney talked up his ability (and rightly so) to dismiss cullinan, mcgrath atherton etc but they werent successful every single time against them


But Warnie's average against South Africa is very good as is McGrath's against England, thus making any rare Cullinan or Atherton success against those bowlers an isolated incident. :P

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Postby MAY-Z » Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:30 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:KP would have good reason to be confident against south africa,with career odi stats against them as follows.

8 matches, 457 runs @ 114.25 with 3 hundreds

if you take 1 failure in isolation you can make any cricketer look ordinary


Being confident is one thing but speaking out and then backing it up is another. That's why McGrath is a champion and KP merely a talented player. KP also stated that Shane Warne would never bowl him around his legs but in Adelaide this is just what happened :oops: Oops!

He's had a reasonable tourney has KP but you'd hardly call his last knock an isolated failure.

regards,

REB


im talking about vs south africa, prior to last night hew was averaging 151.33 against them, making that failure very isolated

warney talked up his ability (and rightly so) to dismiss cullinan, mcgrath atherton etc but they werent successful every single time against them


But Warnie's average against South Africa is very good as is McGrath's against England, thus making any rare Cullinan or Atherton success against those bowlers an isolated incident. :P

regards,

REB


that is exactly teh point i am making pietersens record vs south africa is phenominal thus making his failure an isloted incident, therefore you cant judge him negatively on last night
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Postby am Bays » Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:38 pm

IIRC MAy-z Last night game was only KPs 5th game against Seth Efrica therefore his average is based on 4 innings. He hadn't played against them since bursting on to the scene in January 2005.

From a Statistical pt of view a sample of four isn't particlarly large in other words hard to make any infereences on whether a person is good or not.

I'll repeat my point KP is good but I not prepared to judge him based on four innings 2 years ago...
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Postby mal » Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:08 am

Rik E Boy wrote:3 runs last night. Best batsman in one day cricket my ar5e.

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Hope you enjoyed his last innings of the tour
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