Redbacks - my thoughts

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Re: Redbacks - my thoughts

Postby scoob » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:14 pm

MAY-Z wrote:
smac wrote:Because the 13 Grade clubs vote on any change to structure of the competition. They are all looking out for themselves and one another.

Good luck changing it.


since this has been brought up again

everyone knows that the strength and depth of grade cricket is not good enough by a long stretch

surely the solution is relatively simple we get mergers withing the grade system...seeing that that seems very unlikely why doesnt the saca just go above the grade system?
the saca should create 6 clubs of its own with the player list set up by invitation only. these 6 clubs should be playing against each other throughout the seasn and to be eligible for state selection you must play for one of these six clubs.


My thoughts exactly... if the cricket clubs are the problem and not willing to change - bipass them - simple
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Re: Redbacks - my thoughts

Postby Lightning McQueen » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:16 pm

MAY-Z wrote:
smac wrote:Because the 13 Grade clubs vote on any change to structure of the competition. They are all looking out for themselves and one another.

Good luck changing it.


since this has been brought up again

everyone knows that the strength and depth of grade cricket is not good enough by a long stretch

surely the solution is relatively simple we get mergers withing the grade system...seeing that that seems very unlikely why doesnt the saca just go above the grade system?
the saca should create 6 clubs of its own with the player list set up by invitation only. these 6 clubs should be playing against each other throughout the seasn and to be eligible for state selection you must play for one of these six clubs.


Because the SACA is made up of the 13 district clubs. It would end up being like that rugby franchise that lasted a year or two before going tits up.
I'd go the other way, merge with ATCA and have 8 or 10 team divisions using the promotion/ relegation system.
The premier clubs have a reserves side and then you could formulate another concept for clubs 3rd & 4th teams etc.
This way clubs wont lose their identity and the top divsion will be made up of better cricketers.
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Re: Redbacks - my thoughts

Postby MAY-Z » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:23 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:
smac wrote:Because the 13 Grade clubs vote on any change to structure of the competition. They are all looking out for themselves and one another.

Good luck changing it.


since this has been brought up again

everyone knows that the strength and depth of grade cricket is not good enough by a long stretch

surely the solution is relatively simple we get mergers withing the grade system...seeing that that seems very unlikely why doesnt the saca just go above the grade system?
the saca should create 6 clubs of its own with the player list set up by invitation only. these 6 clubs should be playing against each other throughout the seasn and to be eligible for state selection you must play for one of these six clubs.


Because the SACA is made up of the 13 district clubs. It would end up being like that rugby franchise that lasted a year or two before going tits up.
I'd go the other way, merge with ATCA and have 8 or 10 team divisions using the promotion/ relegation system.
The premier clubs have a reserves side and then you could formulate another concept for clubs 3rd & 4th teams etc.
This way clubs wont lose their identity and the top divsion will be made up of better cricketers.


that wont work though as peopl leave the grade system to play turf as they dont hav the time/desire to play a grade district
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Re: Redbacks - my thoughts

Postby Lightning McQueen » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:31 pm

MAY-Z wrote:
that wont work though as peopl leave the grade system to play turf as they dont hav the time/desire to play a grade district


There is no way any current clubs will merge, there will be no solution.
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Re: Redbacks - my thoughts

Postby MAY-Z » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:33 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:
that wont work though as peopl leave the grade system to play turf as they dont hav the time/desire to play a grade district


There is no way any current clubs will merge, there will be no solution.


thats why you have to go around teh current clubs. everyone knows the grade comp isnt strong enough but saca havent done anything about it except blame the clubs. bypass teh clubs and we may be able to get the best players palying against each other in a relatively strong comp. if nothing happens we may as well just withdraw from state cricket
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Re: Redbacks - my thoughts

Postby Lightning McQueen » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:48 pm

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thats why you have to go around teh current clubs. everyone knows the grade comp isnt strong enough but saca havent done anything about it except blame the clubs. bypass teh clubs and we may be able to get the best players palying against each other in a relatively strong comp. if nothing happens we may as well just withdraw from state cricket


The clubs run the SACA. South Australian Cricket Association, it's a stalemate.
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Re: Redbacks - my thoughts

Postby Footy Smart » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:53 pm

MAY-Z wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:
that wont work though as peopl leave the grade system to play turf as they dont hav the time/desire to play a grade district


There is no way any current clubs will merge, there will be no solution.


thats why you have to go around teh current clubs. everyone knows the grade comp isnt strong enough but saca havent done anything about it except blame the clubs. bypass teh clubs and we may be able to get the best players palying against each other in a relatively strong comp. if nothing happens we may as well just withdraw from state cricket


Merging District and ATCA wont work. Neither will dropping C and D grade from District levels.

What will? Who knows
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Re: Re: Redbacks - my thoughts

Postby heater31 » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:57 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:
thats why you have to go around teh current clubs. everyone knows the grade comp isnt strong enough but saca havent done anything about it except blame the clubs. bypass teh clubs and we may be able to get the best players palying against each other in a relatively strong comp. if nothing happens we may as well just withdraw from state cricket


The clubs run the SACA. South Australian Cricket Association, it's a stalemate.


Ah but the clubs and the high performance department can work together. First step is to get the first class blokes playing grade cricket as much as possible. They need match simulation and those who aren't at that level should want to make a hundred/dismiss the blokes that are at that level.
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Re: Redbacks - my thoughts

Postby MAY-Z » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:04 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:
thats why you have to go around teh current clubs. everyone knows the grade comp isnt strong enough but saca havent done anything about it except blame the clubs. bypass teh clubs and we may be able to get the best players palying against each other in a relatively strong comp. if nothing happens we may as well just withdraw from state cricket


The clubs run the SACA. South Australian Cricket Association, it's a stalemate.


the saca board arent attached to any grade clubs - the boards charter is something along the lines of bettering south australian cricket. the board can propose and vote for a new competion be set up independent of grade cricket
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Re: Re: Redbacks - my thoughts

Postby MAY-Z » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:06 pm

heater31 wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:
thats why you have to go around teh current clubs. everyone knows the grade comp isnt strong enough but saca havent done anything about it except blame the clubs. bypass teh clubs and we may be able to get the best players palying against each other in a relatively strong comp. if nothing happens we may as well just withdraw from state cricket


The clubs run the SACA. South Australian Cricket Association, it's a stalemate.


Ah but the clubs and the high performance department can work together. First step is to get the first class blokes playing grade cricket as much as possible. They need match simulation and those who aren't at that level should want to make a hundred/dismiss the blokes that are at that level.


that cant happen too much - especially now as teh cricket australia calander has stuffed so much cricket in to allow for teh big bash. there has been first class cricket nearly every week this season
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Re: Re: Re: Redbacks - my thoughts

Postby heater31 » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:25 pm

MAY-Z wrote:
heater31 wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
MAY-Z wrote:
thats why you have to go around teh current clubs. everyone knows the grade comp isnt strong enough but saca havent done anything about it except blame the clubs. bypass teh clubs and we may be able to get the best players palying against each other in a relatively strong comp. if nothing happens we may as well just withdraw from state cricket


The clubs run the SACA. South Australian Cricket Association, it's a stalemate.


Ah but the clubs and the high performance department can work together. First step is to get the first class blokes playing grade cricket as much as possible. They need match simulation and those who aren't at that level should want to make a hundred/dismiss the blokes that are at that level.


that cant happen too much - especially now as teh cricket australia calander has stuffed so much cricket in to allow for teh big bash. there has been first class cricket nearly every week this season


No futures league games until Feb should have a few on the fringe available
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Re: Redbacks - my thoughts

Postby overloaded » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:01 pm

here's a question...since the high performance department was formed, has there been high performance?
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Re: Redbacks - my thoughts

Postby hottie » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:03 pm

The other day on foxtel the Adelaide pitch was described the worlds flattest batting deck,it reminded me a few years ago when a friend said when interstate teams play in Adelaide its a batsmen paradise,but when the rebacks travel they dont cope.
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Re: Redbacks - my thoughts

Postby gadj1976 » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:25 pm

overloaded wrote:here's a question...since the high performance department was formed, has there been high performance?


by the opposition bowlers.....(statistically) yes.
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Re: Redbacks - my thoughts

Postby gadj1976 » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:39 pm

Serious question, did the first iteration of the Cricket Centre of Excellence located in Adelaide, cover up the problems on the domestic front to the level whereby we never actually have ever recovered?
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