Adelaide Strikers

[Rik E Boy]

in all seriousness, reckon i will follow the strikers next year. Always a good night at AO, i reckon they will get similar crowds as last summer.
Having said that, i would have definitely prefered the BigBash as it was - oh well.
thoughts?

I won't be attending any games. Cricket Australia have lost their way to the quick buck. The number of state contracts have decreased to help pay for this. The test side is a shambles at present we need to be developing the next crop of superstars.

Crowds in England are on the decline, Indian sides are not making the returns expected. Yet in Australia we want to destroy over 100 years of state v state

Only cricket I will be attending this year will be the odd day of shield cricket plus internationals

Top post. More and more will eventually see the light. The day this shit started I said it would be ten-ten cricket before too long. Australian Cricket never did need this format IMO. They are killing the Golden Goose. I no longer look forward to the Cricket Season and I never thought I'd say that.

**** off CA. Killing the game.

regards,

REB

[Footy Smart]

in all seriousness, reckon i will follow the strikers next year. Always a good night at AO, i reckon they will get similar crowds as last summer.
Having said that, i would have definitely prefered the BigBash as it was - oh well.
thoughts?

I won't be attending any games. Cricket Australia have lost their way to the quick buck. The number of state contracts have decreased to help pay for this. The test side is a shambles at present we need to be developing the next crop of superstars.

Crowds in England are on the decline, Indian sides are not making the returns expected. Yet in Australia we want to destroy over 100 years of state v state

Only cricket I will be attending this year will be the odd day of shield cricket plus internationals

Top post. More and more will eventually see the light. The day this **** started I said it would be ten-ten cricket before too long. Australian Cricket never did need this format IMO. They are killing the Golden Goose. I no longer look forward to the Cricket Season and I never thought I'd say that.

**** off CA. Killing the game.

regards,

REB

CA are definately ruining the game. ie the one day format! what a joke, they trialled it in the top end series they play in the pre season. All the players said they didnt like it yet they still bought it in... WTF?

Also, what format does Australia play international? yep 50 overs, the game plan is totally different to that of the current format our young cricketers are playing domestically. How do they expect them to succeed at international level when they have to play differently

Go and jump CA

[AFLflyer]

are we all being a bit dramatic? Although i'm not a huge fan of this new super league format, 20/20 IMO is here to stay.
I think there is room for the three versions for now.
Remember it's not like the 20/20 takes up the whole summer, it's just a bit of interest on the side (a side show to the main summer of test matches and international ODI's)

Is there really no one here which will go watch the strikers next year?

[smac]

are we all being a bit dramatic? Although i'm not a huge fan of this new super league format, 20/20 IMO is here to stay.
I think there is room for the three versions for now.
Remember it's not like the 20/20 takes up the whole summer, it's just a bit of interest on the side (a side show to the main summer of test matches and international ODI's)

Is there really no one here which will go watch the strikers next year?

I'll be there, every game, with bells on.

But it is unsurprising that a cricket forum doesn't have a great deal of support for the comp as cricket lovers aren't the target market. Cricket has been selling cricket to cricket people for years, but finally realised to be a sustainable game into the future they need to sell to non-cricket lovers. T20 is the game to do that.

[heater31]

But it is unsurprising that a cricket forum doesn't have a great deal of support for the comp as cricket lovers aren't the target market. Cricket has been selling cricket to cricket people for years, but finally realised to be a sustainable game into the future they need to sell to non-cricket lovers. T20 is the game to do that.

I have nothing against 20/20 cricket as it provides good entertainment. There is no need to dilute the product they are trying to sell by creating manufactured teams.

Cricket is State vs State in this country and nothing else!

[Footy Smart]

Drew, Crosthwaite and Carseldine signed by the Strikers.... Love watching Carseldine as full flight! Quality cricketer and injury probably held him back from possible Australian honours!

[Rik E Boy]

are we all being a bit dramatic? Although i'm not a huge fan of this new super league format, 20/20 IMO is here to stay.
I think there is room for the three versions for now.
Remember it's not like the 20/20 takes up the whole summer, it's just a bit of interest on the side (a side show to the main summer of test matches and international ODI's)

Is there really no one here which will go watch the strikers next year?

I'll be there, every game, with bells on.

But it is unsurprising that a cricket forum doesn't have a great deal of support for the comp as cricket lovers aren't the target market. Cricket has been selling cricket to cricket people for years, but finally realised to be a sustainable game into the future they need to sell to non-cricket lovers. T20 is the game to do that.

But for how long? If you compromise the Shield, the best competition for producing Test Cricketers internationally for over a century then you are killing the Baggy Green just for a few pieces of silver. Once the bandwagoners jump on to something else there might not be anything left for the Cricket people....and you might even find there are less of them.

In the quest for cash not enough thought has gone into what makes Cricket work in this country. We are not England and we are not India but now we trail both....coincidence? If we are still 5th best in the world in a decade you'll have your answer.

The Shield should never have been sacrificed to the Teeball altar. As for the Poster who said it doesn't take up the entire season...well, come and talk to me in January which is now the worst sporting month of the year. Nice effort Cricket to outdo the Spring Carnival in the 'meh' stakes. Way to drop the ball.

regards,

REB

[Rik E Boy]

FLAMING MOES

CROWDED BAR

HOMER: You've lost me as a customer!
MOE (counting cash): What?

LATER

HOMER: Do you think Aerosmith will come in tonight?
MOE: Not tonight Homer.


Hmmmmm...now THAT'S Drama.

regards,

REB

[Booney]

are we all being a bit dramatic? Although i'm not a huge fan of this new super league format, 20/20 IMO is here to stay.
I think there is room for the three versions for now.
Remember it's not like the 20/20 takes up the whole summer, it's just a bit of interest on the side (a side show to the main summer of test matches and international ODI's)

Is there really no one here which will go watch the strikers next year?

I'll be there, every game, with bells on.

But it is unsurprising that a cricket forum doesn't have a great deal of support for the comp as cricket lovers aren't the target market. Cricket has been selling cricket to cricket people for years, but finally realised to be a sustainable game into the future they need to sell to non-cricket lovers. T20 is the game to do that.

But for how long? If you compromise the Shield, the best competition for producing Test Cricketers internationally for over a century then you are killing the Baggy Green just for a few pieces of silver. Once the bandwagoners jump on to something else there might not be anything left for the Cricket people....and you might even find there are less of them.

In the quest for cash not enough thought has gone into what makes Cricket work in this country. We are not England and we are not India but now we trail both....coincidence? If we are still 5th best in the world in a decade you'll have your answer.

The Shield should never have been sacrificed to the Teeball altar. As for the Poster who said it doesn't take up the entire season...well, come and talk to me in January which is now the worst sporting month of the year. Nice effort Cricket to outdo the Spring Carnival in the 'meh' stakes. Way to drop the ball.

regards,

REB

T20 I agree with you on, January is becoming a bore, yes. But I WILL NOT sit here and let you bad mouth the Spring Carnival...

[smac]

are we all being a bit dramatic? Although i'm not a huge fan of this new super league format, 20/20 IMO is here to stay.
I think there is room for the three versions for now.
Remember it's not like the 20/20 takes up the whole summer, it's just a bit of interest on the side (a side show to the main summer of test matches and international ODI's)

Is there really no one here which will go watch the strikers next year?

I'll be there, every game, with bells on.

But it is unsurprising that a cricket forum doesn't have a great deal of support for the comp as cricket lovers aren't the target market. Cricket has been selling cricket to cricket people for years, but finally realised to be a sustainable game into the future they need to sell to non-cricket lovers. T20 is the game to do that.

But for how long? If you compromise the Shield, the best competition for producing Test Cricketers internationally for over a century then you are killing the Baggy Green just for a few pieces of silver. Once the bandwagoners jump on to something else there might not be anything left for the Cricket people....and you might even find there are less of them.

In the quest for cash not enough thought has gone into what makes Cricket work in this country. We are not England and we are not India but now we trail both....coincidence? If we are still 5th best in the world in a decade you'll have your answer.

The Shield should never have been sacrificed to the Teeball altar. As for the Poster who said it doesn't take up the entire season...well, come and talk to me in January which is now the worst sporting month of the year. Nice effort Cricket to outdo the Spring Carnival in the 'meh' stakes. Way to drop the ball.

regards,

REB

I get where you are coming from, but disagree.

Firstly, I don’t think SS will be compromised – Schedule still looks pretty full to me. And Ryobi Cup is back to 50 over cricket, which is a good thing.

Next, I keep hearing how much T20 has hurt cricket in Australia, at the top level, already. India and England both play more T20 than Australia which flies directly in the face of that – I think some of this is a convenient excuse when the reality is that it takes a long time to recover from losing McGrath, Warne, Langer, Hayden, Martin, Gilchrist et al and we should have been developing replacements at a far earlier time (for the batsmen especially) than we did.

My own opinion is that kids don’t go out to build innings anyway, is it really that bad that in T20 they can play two games in a day and have two attempts at starting an innings? Or that a bowler get’s to bowl in pressure situations more often? These are situations that can’t be replicated at training and prove valuable in development, IMO.

[smac]

But it is unsurprising that a cricket forum doesn't have a great deal of support for the comp as cricket lovers aren't the target market. Cricket has been selling cricket to cricket people for years, but finally realised to be a sustainable game into the future they need to sell to non-cricket lovers. T20 is the game to do that.

I have nothing against 20/20 cricket as it provides good entertainment. There is no need to dilute the product they are trying to sell by creating manufactured teams.

Cricket is State vs State in this country and nothing else!

Exactly the point. Something different allows a whole new group of people to enjoy the game, which can only be a good thing.

[Rik E Boy]

I don't know the schedule as well as you do smac but if there are ten teams in this new sell out league then surely that means more matches for the Domestic players. More matches equals more injuries and as certain unamed players have shown...which format will 'get the nod' if your body is not right?

I'm not fit for the Shield coach but suit me up for the Strikers. What better way to audition for the IPL? It's not the schedule of the Shield that has been compromised but the basis of the competition. State vs. State. Already we've seen a raft of 'South Australians' sign up for this Strikers mob..it is a contination of the dilution of the State vs. State basis that is the foundation, the very bedrock of the Domestic game.

In the past we've had imports but they have left something tangible behind. South Australian players of the past learnt a great deal playing alongside Sir Garfield Sobers and Joel Garner and others (Barry Richards? Can't remember if he played for SA or someone else). All imports offer now is slogging power.

What you said about the decline of Australian Cricket is spot on. We were always going to struggle to replace champion players, just like we did in the 1980's. However, we lost to New Zealand in 1985-86 and the season after that we were pathetic against England. By 1987 we had won the World Cup and by 1989 we had the Ashes back. That is why is said 'coincidence' with a question mark. If we still suck in ten years time and our batsmen can't build an innings and our captains can't set a decent wicket taking field and our bowlers bowl to contain then I believe Cricket people will be wondering whether the cash was worth it.

regards,

REB

[whufc]

But it is unsurprising that a cricket forum doesn't have a great deal of support for the comp as cricket lovers aren't the target market. Cricket has been selling cricket to cricket people for years, but finally realised to be a sustainable game into the future they need to sell to non-cricket lovers. T20 is the game to do that.

I have nothing against 20/20 cricket as it provides good entertainment. There is no need to dilute the product they are trying to sell by creating manufactured teams.

Cricket is State vs State in this country and nothing else!

Exactly the point. Something different allows a whole new group of people to enjoy the game, which can only be a good thing.

not if it turns off thousands of cricket fans who would normally be in it for the long haul.

at our cricket club which is made up of mostly 18-23 year olds have absolutely no interest in this comp now and wont be attending any games either.

from the people i know that tends to be the general thought about this comp.

i guess SACA havent heard of 'if it aint broke.......' im not a big fan of T20 but thought the big bash was a great way to bring supporters in and align them to the longer forms of the game through their affinity with the 'Redbacks' or 'Warriors' but now it will become way to confusing for kids who wont have any affintity with a 'team'

[OnSong]

I'll be attending. I'm glad the State v State thing has been scrapped. Most of the players for SA came from interstate anyway.

Just another case of cricket fans not liking change. Fickle bunch. They'll get over it.

I'm all for cheering for Adelaide. As long as I get to see some top class cricket I'm more than happy.

[smac]

But it is unsurprising that a cricket forum doesn't have a great deal of support for the comp as cricket lovers aren't the target market. Cricket has been selling cricket to cricket people for years, but finally realised to be a sustainable game into the future they need to sell to non-cricket lovers. T20 is the game to do that.

I have nothing against 20/20 cricket as it provides good entertainment. There is no need to dilute the product they are trying to sell by creating manufactured teams.

Cricket is State vs State in this country and nothing else!

Exactly the point. Something different allows a whole new group of people to enjoy the game, which can only be a good thing.

not if it turns off thousands of cricket fans who would normally be in it for the long haul.

at our cricket club which is made up of mostly 18-23 year olds have absolutely no interest in this comp now and wont be attending any games either.

from the people i know that tends to be the general thought about this comp.

i guess SACA havent heard of 'if it aint broke.......' im not a big fan of T20 but thought the big bash was a great way to bring supporters in and align them to the longer forms of the game through their affinity with the 'Redbacks' or 'Warriors' but now it will become way to confusing for kids who wont have any affintity with a 'team'

Not getting it - you'll still go to the other forms that you attended, won't you? If not, research indicates you are in the minority. Converting them to longer forms isn't the intention, nor is converting you to a T20 fan. Broadening the fan base of the game is the intention.

[Rik E Boy]

. Broadening the fan base of the game is the intention.

Bringing in short attention span 'fans' until the novelty wears off while the longer term interests of the game are sacrificed, that will be the result.

As for 'research'. Did anyone ask 'you'? Nobody polled me about changing the ODD format or the introduction of an endless teeball program either. Who did they bloody ask?

regards,

REB

[Booney]

. Broadening the fan base of the game is the intention.

Bringing in short attention span 'fans' until the novelty wears off while the longer term interests of the game are sacrificed, that will be the result.

As for 'research'. Did anyone ask 'you'? Nobody polled me about changing the ODD format or the introduction of an endless teeball program either. Who did they bloody ask?regards,

REB

People at the T20 games...

[whufc]

Im not sure if i will go to the test match.

TBH since all these changes and now that Test doesnt seem to be the number 1 goal for the Cricket Australia my interest in any forms of cricket other than what i play is dwindling.

[Bulls forever]

. Broadening the fan base of the game is the intention.

Bringing in short attention span 'fans' until the novelty wears off while the longer term interests of the game are sacrificed, that will be the result.

As for 'research'. Did anyone ask 'you'? Nobody polled me about changing the ODD format or the introduction of an endless teeball program either. Who did they bloody ask?

regards,

REB

REB, I agree with most of your quote. I am a cricket fan, but I also understand that 20/20 was a necessary step to improve revenue into our game. SMAC's arguments are seriously flawed and I will tell you why.
Salary Cap contracted player 9 month season $1 million - SACA 19 players, plus rookies.
Salary Cap 20/20 - 4 week season $1 million - Strikers 18 players.

UK and Indian experience is that when they started 20/20 they played to sell out crowds. Now watching both on Foxtel, they play in front of no one. They had over exposed this game significantly. CA is in danger of doing this. Thankfully the Grade Clubs have realised this and capped this 20/20 madness in Grade Cricket in seniors and juniors.

Despite what you think SMAC a 12 year old does not build an innings in 20/20 cricket. I suggest you speak to our U13 SACA coach, he can't even get his kids to do it in 40 over games and they are the pick of what we have in SA.

Without the correct technique, no player will develop into a good 20/20 player at any reasonable level. Every good batting coach knows that the cornerstone of being a good batter is have a sound defence.

I will go and watch some 20/20 games, but I feel I will spend more time at Royal Perti watching those Bulls play some real cricket.

BF

[smac]

You've just agreed with me!

A 12 year doesn't build an innings in any type of cricket! Why not give them two shots at bat in a day by playing two matches in one day? I'm not saying every week, not even every second week. But why not change up their season and give them a T20 round?

Talented cricketers can then be put into development programs to work on developing an innings.

And I speak with the coach you refer to often!