STEVE WAUGH overated ? choker?

[scoob]

Pull Ya Head In MAL!!!

[another grub]

overrated...will go down as one of our best....but clearly wasnt.... did the best with the limited ability he did have tho.....

[blink]

overrated...will go down as one of our best....but clearly wasnt.... did the best with the limited ability he did have tho.....

Limited ability???

[rod_rooster]

RIK E BOY

Point taken about being new on the site
and showing no respect to SW.

This business all started when a mate
brought it to my attention recently so
i decided to bring it up , he had done the
stats ....I also thought it was not true.

Once again sorry to all if you are offended
whether I am right or wrong.

Wow, mal new to the site just on a year ago Certainly seems like you've been around much longer. What a start you had as well bagging Steve Waugh. Seems like after this you've spent the rest of the past year trying in vain to convince everyone that Watto deserves to be in the Australian side

Anyway 1st year anniversary for mal. Congratulations. 14.51 posts per day. Fair effort that especially considering 13.51 have been about Shane Watson.

[Rik E Boy]

So in other words to mally Watto>Waugh. LMAO. Hail mal.

regards,

REB

[stan]

How can someone rate Watson and not S.Waugh?

I still find that funny.

[mal]

Must be the initials SW for some reason

Anyhows lets get things in perspective
STEVE WAUGH

1ST INNINGS ABSOLUTE CHAMPION
2ND INNINGS ABSOLUTE CHAMPION
3RD INNINGS FAIR
4TH INNINGS look at the stats and make your own assumptions

Can we elaborate on the subjest matter he CH...S in 4th innings PERHAPS

PS thanks for the warm welcolmes april 2006

[rod_rooster]

Must be the initials SW for some reason

Anyhows lets get things in perspective
STEVE WAUGH

1ST INNINGS ABSOLUTE CHAMPION
2ND INNINGS ABSOLUTE CHAMPION
3RD INNINGS FAIR
4TH INNINGS look at the stats and make your own assumptions

Can we elaborate on the subjest matter he CH...S in 4th innings PERHAPS

FFS mal, can you give it a rest with stats. Stats can be used to prove anything. 98.5 percent of people know that

Going by stats Murilitharan is a better bowler than Shane Warne by quite a bit. Do you think that is true?

[mal]

ROD Using your stats dont show the real ...
Yeah his average of 25 in 2nd digs does not show the real story ALL THE LAST DIG FAILURES

ROD lets face reality here he let his team down with ordinary batting in the 4th innings
ROD lets face reality here he was a superstar in the earlier innings and a matchwinner
ROD lets face reality that the stats are a reasonable guide to the facts

Stats show that WARNE + MURALICHUCHERATHAN are 2 of the best spinners of all time
Stats show BRADMAN was the greatest ever
Stats show that MCGRATH is one of the greatest

Stats are not always right but coincidently the people with the best stats are usually the best players

WAUGH averages 60+ batting 1st innings [only Bradman I think has a higher ist dig average for all australians]
WAUGH averages 25 batting in the 4th innings[many many australian batsmen average better]

[rod_rooster]

ROD lets face reality that the stats are a reasonable guide to the facts

Can be very misleading also mal.

[mal]

STEVE WAUGH OVERATED ? CHOKER ?

I have the upmost respect for Steve Waugh as a cricketer
BUT
He did all his great work in the first innings in test matches.

The perception that he was always a reliable courageous batsman
is in fact a myth.

Statistically he is a choker and a failure when the pressure
was on batting last chasing small totals.

His final test v India was a rare good second innings when he
saved us from defeat, however in general he choked.

Allan Border gets my vote when the chips were down.

You goose Mal.

That comment still gives me goosebumps

[mal]

RELEVANT SUBJECT MATTER
These are the comments made april 2006 which a year later I will answer.

STAN
your post mal is a disgrace and I would say its bordering on Trolling
RATING 8 good comment and made me feel sickish

ROD
you goose mal
RATING 0 [idiot, dickhead, big headed prick yes but goose NO]

1980 TASSIE MEDALLIST
mal **** of back to the Power from Port site where all you morons live
and while there give yourself an uppercut
RATING 1 not impressed with that, that comment almost made me log off forever from SAFOOTY

DOGGIES4 EVA
whats your surname mal? lingerer ?
RATING 8.5 that was a classic response

REB
im always available to inform people who have absolutely no idea about cricket about the
points of the game, here endeth the lesson Mr Troll
RATING 6 at the time i thought who is this wanker [sorry ricky i didnt know it was you at the time]

BOONEY
on presentation of the WAUGH stats
Choke on that mal
RATING 5 yeah fair enough comment for a person who thinks he knows about cricket[ sorry WYC superstar]

REB
mal when you are new to the site and start a thread calling Steve Waugh a
choker and over-rated it looks like a flat out troll....
RATING 9 i was very impressed by this post

APRIL 2007 POSTS....STAN + SCOOB hmn.

[rod_rooster]

Hmmmmmm.... i get a zero for calling you a goose. Surely i deserve better than that

[am Bays]

Mal, I don't know what was worse swearing at you or calling you a port supporter

Will you ever forgive me???

[rod_rooster]

Mal, I don't know what was worse swearing at you or calling you a port supporter

Will you ever forgive me???

How can you not be sure? Calling someone a Port supporter is as low as it gets

[am Bays]

Yeah I know.... when I reviewed that post I knew I had made a faux pas

[mal]

Mal, I don't know what was worse swearing at you or calling you a port supporter

Will you ever forgive me???

Forgiven
I took on the cream of safooty crickets experts back then I consider that an honour these days.

[rod_rooster]

Mal, I don't know what was worse swearing at you or calling you a port supporter

Will you ever forgive me???

Forgiven
I took on the cream of safooty crickets experts back then I consider that an honour these days.

amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;

[mal]

I have used Cricinfos' filter to find his 4th innings totals, then worked out the targets:

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                    Mat  Runs  HS   BatAv 100  50   W    BB  BowlAv 5w  Ct St
unfiltered           168 10927 200   51.06  32  50  92  5/28   37.44  3 112  0
filtered             116   613  80   25.54   0   2  11  4/34   27.81  0  17  0
 
Runs  W/R   Ct St I *+ Result                        Match                       Target to win
  10   -     -  - 4    D 3rd Test  v NZ  in Aus 1987/88 at Melbourne [1087]         247 (made 230)
  19   -     -  - 4    D 2nd Test  v Pak in Pak 1988/89 at Faisalabad [1105]        374 (67)
  26   -     -  - 4    L 2nd Test  v WI  in Aus 1988/89 at Perth [1110]             404 (234)
   3   -     -  - 4    L 3rd Test  v WI  in Aus 1988/89 at Melbourne [1112]         400 (114)
  21*  -     -  - 4    W 2nd Test  v Eng in Eng 1989    at Lord's [1122]            118
   4   -     -  - 4    D 2nd Test  v Pak in Aus 1989/90 at Adelaide [1135]          304 (233)       
   4*  -     -  - 4    L 4th Test  v WI  in WI  1990/91 at Bridgetown [1169]        552 (208)
   4   -     -  - 4    L 4th Test  v WI  in Aus 1992/93 at Adelaide [1210]          186 (184)
  47*  -     -  - 4    D 3rd Test  v Eng in Eng 1993    at Nottingham [1225]        371 (202)
  26   -     -  - 4    L 6th Test  v Eng in Eng 1993    at The Oval [1231]          391 (229)
   0   -     -  - 4    L 1st Test  v SA  in SA  1993/94 at Johannesburg [1252]      454 (256)
   0   -     -  - 4    D 3rd Test  v Eng in Aus 1994/95 at Sydney [1281]            449 (344)
   0   -     -  - 4    L 4th Test  v Eng in Aus 1994/95 at Adelaide [1284]          263 (156)
  14   -     -  - 4    L 3rd Test  v Pak in Aus 1995/96 at Sydney [1314]            247 (172)     
  18   -     -  - 4    W 2nd Test  v SA  in SA  1996/97 at Port Elizabeth [1360]    271
   6   -     -  - 4    L 6th Test  v Eng in Eng 1997    at The Oval [1377]          124 (104)
  34   -     -  - 4    D 3rd Test  v SA  in Aus 1997/98 at Adelaide [1397]          361 (227)
  27   -     -  - 4    L 1st Test  v Ind in Ind 1997/98 at Chennai [1405]           348 (168)
  15*  -     -  - 4    W 2nd Test  v Eng in Aus 1998/99 at Perth [1431]              64
  30*  -     -  - 4    L 4th Test  v Eng in Aus 1998/99 at Melbourne [1436]         175 (162)
  28   -     -  - 4 *  W 2nd Test  v Pak in Aus 1999/00 at Hobart [1469]            369
  15   -     -  - 4 *  W 2nd Test  v NZ  in NZ  1999/00 at Wellington [1491]        177
  18*  -     -  - 4 *  W 3rd Test  v NZ  in NZ  1999/00 at Hamilton [1493]          212
  38   -     -  - 4 *  W 5th Test  v WI  in Aus 2000/01 at Sydney [1527]            174
  24   -     -  - 4 *  L 2nd Test  v Ind in Ind 2000/01 at Kolkata [1535]           384 (212)
   1*retired hurt 4 *  W 3rd Test  v Eng in Eng 2001    at Nottingham [1554]        158   
  67   -     -  - 4 *  D 3rd Test  v NZ  in Aus 2001/02 at Perth [1573]             439 (381)   
  14   -     -  - 4 *  W 2nd Test  v SA  in SA  2001/02 at Cape Town [1593]         334
  14   -     -  - 4 *  W 4th Test  v Eng in Aus 2002/03 at Melbourne [1634]         107         
   6   -     -  - 4 *  L 5th Test  v Eng in Aus 2002/03 at Sydney [1636]            452
  80   -     -  - 4 *  D 4th Test  v Ind in Aus 2003/04 at Sydney [1680]            443 (357)

Now just those that the target was less than 200:

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Runs  W/R   Ct St I *+ Result                        Match                       Target to win
  21*  -     -  - 4    W 2nd Test  v Eng in Eng 1989    at Lord's [1122]            118
   4   -     -  - 4    L 4th Test  v WI  in Aus 1992/93 at Adelaide [1210]          186 (184)
   6   -     -  - 4    L 6th Test  v Eng in Eng 1997    at The Oval [1377]          124 (104)
  15*  -     -  - 4    W 2nd Test  v Eng in Aus 1998/99 at Perth [1431]              64
  30*  -     -  - 4    L 4th Test  v Eng in Aus 1998/99 at Melbourne [1436]         175 (162)
  15   -     -  - 4 *  W 2nd Test  v NZ  in NZ  1999/00 at Wellington [1491]        177
  38   -     -  - 4 *  W 5th Test  v WI  in Aus 2000/01 at Sydney [1527]            174
   1*retired hurt 4 *  W 3rd Test  v Eng in Eng 2001    at Nottingham [1554]        158
  14   -     -  - 4 *  W 4th Test  v Eng in Aus 2002/03 at Melbourne [1634]         107

What no comments
Notice the 3 ducks in a row

[am Bays]

What no comments
Notice the 3 ducks in a row

After the first duck he tonned up next dig to set up a win @ Cape Town (he got a bag of wickets too)
After that 3rd duck (a year apart) he made 99* at the WACA once again to set up a win.....