Third Test v South Africa

[Pup]

Warner gone 3rd ball

[mighty_tiger_79]

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[whufc]

So what's people's opinion of Dave Warner in this Aussie side?

Apart from a few cameo innings he has been fairly inconsistent, he is definatly caught between playing like Dave Warner and playing like a traditional test opener.

No doubt he has bucket loads of talent, plus his a jet fielder and throw in his not the worse part time bowler.

The flashes of brillianance are remembered alot longer than the poor dismissals but are we willing to take one with the other.

Is he the answer at the top of the order?

[Footy Smart]

So what's people's opinion of Dave Warner in this Aussie side?

Apart from a few cameo innings he has been fairly inconsistent, he is definatly caught between playing like Dave Warner and playing like a traditional test opener.

No doubt he has bucket loads of talent, plus his a jet fielder and throw in his not the worse part time bowler.

The flashes of brillianance are remembered alot longer than the poor dismissals but are we willing to take one with the other.

Is he the answer at the top of the order?

In fairness he is in the hardest postion in cricket. He battled through very well last night and got out today to a ball he would knick 9 out of 10 times id suggest.

I think he has more upside than not.

[whufc]

So what's people's opinion of Dave Warner in this Aussie side?

Apart from a few cameo innings he has been fairly inconsistent, he is definatly caught between playing like Dave Warner and playing like a traditional test opener.

No doubt he has bucket loads of talent, plus his a jet fielder and throw in his not the worse part time bowler.

The flashes of brillianance are remembered alot longer than the poor dismissals but are we willing to take one with the other.

Is he the answer at the top of the order?

In fairness he is in the hardest postion in cricket. He battled through very well last night and got out today to a ball he would knick 9 out of 10 times id suggest.

I think he has more upside than not.

Agree, I just think its an interesting discussion, I really want him to make it, he brings so much to the side!!

[Lightning McQueen]

I'd sooner see a more traditional opener, a bit too chancey for my liking, I love it when he's on fire but them sort of innings are too far apart.

[mal]

So what's people's opinion of Dave Warner in this Aussie side?

Apart from a few cameo innings he has been fairly inconsistent, he is definatly caught between playing like Dave Warner and playing like a traditional test opener.

No doubt he has bucket loads of talent, plus his a jet fielder and throw in his not the worse part time bowler.

The flashes of brillianance are remembered alot longer than the poor dismissals but are we willing to take one with the other.

Is he the answer at the top of the order?

He will average between 50-100 by the end of his career one one proviso
The opposition are not allowed to have a wicketkeeper first slip and a second slip

[Booney]

I was looking at his stats for this summer :

Brisbane 4 & DNB
Adelaide 119 & 41
Perth 13 & 29

Test average of 44 - This summer - 41.2

I think any opener who can average 40+ is worthy of having around the place, but its how he goes about it that worries me. Geoff Marsh averaging 40 meant ( if we batted first in the Test ) he was out closer to tea than lunch, if Warner is out for 40 ( and we batted first ) its about an hour before lunch and that is not the job of an opener.

Sadly, with out very thin top order stocks around the country ( and Cowan yet to really establish himself ) I see Warner being our best option at the moment but long term he needs to soak up more of the new ball pressure, like he did on day 3 at the WACA, to be a genuine Test match opener. He'll belt the living suitcase out of average attacks and splutter like he has this summer against a quality one.

[whufc]

I'd sooner see a more traditional opener, a bit too chancey for my liking, I love it when he's on fire but them sort of innings are too far apart.

Obviously you can use stats to suit you as much as possible but his 3 hundreds have been

Vs NZ at Hobart (really only an average bowling attack at best)
Vs IND at Perth (probably the best pitch in the world to face the Indian lolli pop pacemen)
Vs SAF at Adelaide (best bowling attack in world but almost best batting track in the world was only the 5th highest score in match)

[whufc]

I was looking at his stats for this summer :

Brisbane 4 & DNB
Adelaide 119 & 41
Perth 13 & 29

Test average of 44 - This summer - 41.2

I think any opener who can average 40+ is worthy of having around the place, but its how he goes about it that worries me. Geoff Marsh averaging 40 meant ( if we batted first in the Test ) he was out closer to tea than lunch, if Warner is out for 40 ( and we batted first ) its about an hour before lunch and that is not the job of an opener.

Sadly, with out very thin top order stocks around the country ( and Cowan yet to really establish himself ) I see Warner being our best option at the moment but long term he needs to soak up more of the new ball pressure, like he did on day 3 at the WACA, to be a genuine Test match opener. He'll belt the living suitcase out of average attacks and splutter like he has this summer against a quality one.

That's a great call what's more valuable as an opener from a team aspect.

A 35 off 90 balls which protects the middle order from the new ball for say an extra five or the extra fifteen runs from say a quickfire 50 off 55 balls

[JK]

I was looking at his stats for this summer :

Brisbane 4 & DNB
Adelaide 119 & 41
Perth 13 & 29

Test average of 44 - This summer - 41.2

I think any opener who can average 40+ is worthy of having around the place, but its how he goes about it that worries me. Geoff Marsh averaging 40 meant ( if we batted first in the Test ) he was out closer to tea than lunch, if Warner is out for 40 ( and we batted first ) its about an hour before lunch and that is not the job of an opener.

Sadly, with out very thin top order stocks around the country ( and Cowan yet to really establish himself ) I see Warner being our best option at the moment but long term he needs to soak up more of the new ball pressure, like he did on day 3 at the WACA, to be a genuine Test match opener. He'll belt the living suitcase out of average attacks and splutter like he has this summer against a quality one.

I like him, for (along the same line as) the reason you've mentioned, his scoring rate! Michael Slater at his best would take a game away from the opposition as early as day one, and I love that attitude of being on the front foot right from the get go.

Warner is obviously capable of the same.

Problem is when it comes off its highly destructive .. When it doesn't, it has the potential to be just as destructive.

Sometimes too I wonder if he's not being judged harshly by the fact our 3 and 4 aren't filling anyone with confidence?

[Q.]

I like the top 3 as is. Warner and Cowan compliment each other and we know Watson is more than capable of knuckling down if he has to come in early.

[whufc]

The funny part is with all the changes to the side, the unanswered questions about the number 3 spot, an out form number 4, question marks over both openers, a new keeper, the unsettled bowling line up we are not very far away at all.

We may lose the series but we have been ultra competitive against the undisputed number 1 side on a couple of pitches which suited them, there a fairly settled line up and we are probably 5-10 test matches away

[mighty_tiger_79]

watto, shouldnt play unfit blokes

[Gozu]

F__k off Watto you downhill skier.

[whufc]

Great to see by the Saffies there is still room for test cricket to be the gentleman a game!

[mighty_tiger_79]

Great to see by the Saffies there is still room for test cricket to be the gentleman a game!

now watch him cop a bouncer first up

[mal]

Come on
You have to attack in Perth
Warner and Watson pushing at balls and snicking is not the way to bat
The best form of defence on this deck is to play shots
Thats how SA batted in the 2nd dig, smart batting

[Q.]

I like the top 3 as is. Warner and Cowan compliment each other and we know Watson is more than capable of knuckling down if he has to come in early.

Why must you mock me, Watto?!

[Booney]

Great stuff by the Saffies there.