5th Ashes test at the SCG - 3rd to 7th Jan 2011

[Dutchy]

Why doesnt the third umpire look at every delivery and have a small light in the grandstand that he can flick on within 5 sec if its a no ball?

[Drop Bear]

All this fuss over a clear no ball. It was the right decision in the end. If he didn't call it everyone would be saying Australia are a bunch of cheats. Move on FFS!

[Jim05]

Why doesnt the third umpire look at every delivery and have a small light in the grandstand that he can flick on within 5 sec if its a no ball?

I got shot down about a month ago when i suggested this.
Great idea IMO. The 3rd ump does eff all most of they day. If he watches every ball he can tell within a couple of seconds and relay it to umps headphones. Calls would be almost instant

[Lightning McQueen]

Don't sugar-coat your feelings Jimbo.

Sorry LM one of my pet hates. It happens at club level all the time. When i used to be skipper id drag them.What is to be gained by doing it. Its bad enough from a quick but a guy off two or three steps is terrible. Sorry had to get it off my chest

No apology required mate, I agree, there's a thick white line to let you know when to stop, it's not rocket science, there's very little to gain by maximising the crease.

[redandblack]

Bowden was absolutely correct. An umpire has a very short time to call a no-ball, even with a spinner. In this case, even the TV commentators said it would have been very difficult, as it was a raised heel and the umpire is some distance fom the popping crease. It was totally understandable that Bowden wouldn't instinctively call it, but realise it was a line-ball decision, seeing that a wicket had fallen. That's what the technology should be for, not for every ball.

The referral system has shown that the umpires make far fewer mistakes than the players.

The plain fact is that the right decision was made for the most important decision.

To use it for every ball, or not at all, might sound like a simple solution, but it's a poor second-best 'solution'. As for the 3rd umpire reviewing every ball, it would not only take away the enjoyment of watching the game, but destroy the spontaneity of the whole process. Just remember we're talking about 2 balls out of about 10,000 balls bowled in the series!!! Reviewing every ball is a boring over-the-top response to this issue. Cricket is a great game for its beauty and its flaws.

I also read this morning that the Aussies bowl no-balls all the time in the nets. We'd all understand that, as all clubs do it at training all the time.

Interesting that the Poms say they've been working at training to make sure they don't do it.

[Jim05]

On a similar topic is the mankad law still around. Just noticed it a bit more in t20 but a bowler gets no-balled for overstepping by 1mm yet a batsman can blatantly cheat and be a couple of feet down the pitch and go unpunished. Saw a few last night where guys were a foot down the pitch before the ball was released

[JK]

I said to a few mates some time ago (before the recent no-ball review incidents) that I found it odd that all deliveries weren't camera checked, for consistency sake.

However, Im mighty glad they aren't .. When both teams take to the field the rules are the same for both of them, and they are aware of what they are.

The umpire has always had to work with the theme of "benefit of doubt rests with the batsman", and in the 2 no-ball reviews this summer they have done their job and the game, justice I reckon.

As someone mentioned earlier, the review system has also highlighted how often the umpires get it right.

[JK]

On a similar topic is the mankad law still around. Just noticed it a bit more in t20 but a bowler gets no-balled for overstepping by 1mm yet a batsman can blatantly cheat and be a couple of feet down the pitch and go unpunished. Saw a few last night where guys were a foot down the pitch before the ball was released

Fair question Jim .. I'd always thought the Mankad had an unsportsmanlike stigma attached to it, hence on occasions bowlers would warn opposition batsmen by stopping short of taking the bails off.

I think it should be a very legitimate form of dismissal in the Mickey Mouse versions of the game.

[Lightning McQueen]

On a similar topic is the mankad law still around. Just noticed it a bit more in t20 but a bowler gets no-balled for overstepping by 1mm yet a batsman can blatantly cheat and be a couple of feet down the pitch and go unpunished. Saw a few last night where guys were a foot down the pitch before the ball was released

Fair question Jim .. I'd always thought the Mankad had an unsportsmanlike stigma attached to it, hence on occasions bowlers would warn opposition batsmen by stopping short of taking the bails off.

I think it should be a very legitimate form of dismissal in the Mickey Mouse versions of the game.

No such rule anymore, it's a disgrace, you are allowed to leave your crease once the bowler begins his delivery stride.
I was umpiring a final game a couple of years ago, the bowler went to mankad and I had to tell him it was no longer as the batsman kept leaving his crease early. I asked the batsman to play within the spirit of the game and refrain to which he told me he can do what hew wants. After advising him that he better not get struck on the pads I went over to the bowler and told him he is within his rights to keep refusing to let the ball go, that worked.

[redandblack]

Great umpiring, LM, I like it

[mal]

What about this game
SAFOOTY 9/334
Chasing 336 for victory aganst Australia
DROP BEAR 106 *
REDNBLACK 1 *


BEER is bowling
REDNBLACK facing
R+B pushes forward, the ball hits the pad
An appeal for LBW
They run for a single
With one stump to aim for WATTO hits them
An appeal for the run out as well

BOWDEN gives R+B not out LBW
BOWDEN then asks for a replay on the run out, replays show R+B is not out
Both decisions go in favour of SAFOOTY
SA 9/335 and the scores a level

BOWDEN then calls a belated dead ball, the leg bye run is not allowed as R+B did not offer a true shot, as his bat was behind his pad as a 2nd line of defence
SA now 9/334 and still behind

BUT THERES MORE
BEER wants a referral on the LBW
So back to the 3rd umpire

BEER has bowled a no ball, so the decision is stopped in stage 1
The replay shows that R+B was not out, in fact hot spot shows that the ball struck the pad and hot spot shows the ball hitting the bat on the way through

BOWDEN now awards 1 run instead of the leg bye dead ball
BOWDEN also awards 1 run for the no ball

SAFOOTY wins the match they almost lost twice on the one ball

....

[redandblack]

Great scenario, mal, with the correct decisions being made all along, due to technology

The only flaw I can find, is that as captain of the SAFooty team, I wouldn't have been batting 11.

With all due respect to DROPBEAR, you have got the batsmen's scores the wrong way around

PS: I would also Beer why he hadn't learnt his lesson from the 5th Test vs England at Sydney

[smac]

I figured you had opened the batting and played a steady hand?

[Lightning McQueen]

Great scenario, mal, with the correct decisions being made all along, due to technology

The only flaw I can find, is that as captain of the SAFooty team, I wouldn't have been batting 11.

With all due respect to DROPBEAR, you have got the batsmen's scores the wrong way around

You had a fracturd pinkie mate.

[mal]

Enough bull crapp
ANDERSON B SIDDLE
EG 4/183
come on

[Lightning McQueen]

Enough bull crapp
ANDERSON B SIDDLE
EG 4/183
come on

Who's talking crap???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[mal]

COLLINGWOOD on the MCG again ...
















































Sorry

[Drop Bear]

Great scenario, mal, with the correct decisions being made all along, due to technology

The only flaw I can find, is that as captain of the SAFooty team, I wouldn't have been batting 11.

With all due respect to DROPBEAR, you have got the batsmen's scores the wrong way around

PS: I would also Beer why he hadn't learnt his lesson from the 5th Test vs England at Sydney

Hahaha, after my last few innings I reckon you could be right mate!

[mal]

I figured you had opened the batting and played a steady hand?

[Lightning McQueen]

Eh? He's at the wrong ground malllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll