2016/2017 Big Bash League

[Booney]

It's not the 80's....

You still only get one chance out there, regardless of the format or decade you're playing in. Like I said, captain put the pressure on their ( average ) bowlers by moving the field and asking for a specific ball every delivery when they don't have the skills to execute, just in the same way batsman can't execute risky shots every ball and they'll give you chances to get them out. If I was the captain of the fielding team the pressure would be on the batter, not my bowler.

[bennymacca]

It's not the 80's mate these guys aren't taking any greater risk when they move around the crease because they move to their strengths

They spend hours on hours doing this

For some batsmen (let's say strong through the leg side) a bigger risk is to stand in normal position and try and smash through off (weaker hitting area) compared to moving across and smashing through leg which is their strong hitting area

steve smith says hi booney


some of the shots recently have been ridiculous. Both cam white and hilfy have managed to slap sixes over cover-mid off with their bat vertical - and not the right way up.

Bowling a good ball on the top of off still has its place, especially in the first few overs where it will still move a bit, but late in the innings those balls just go the journey

[Booney]

G'day Smudge.

Move the field - Now bowl there. Bowl there - No move the field.

We've established over many years bowlers aren't that smart.

[whufc]

Agree the bowlers don't always execute

But what is risky these days is completely different to what was risky prior to t20

Batsmen see trying to hit to their weakness a much bigger risk than moving slightly on the crease and hitting to their strength (Steve smith in test cricket being a classic of this, bowl to off stump to him and you will go for 100 chance less runs through the leg side)

Batsmen have turned the table on 'pressure' by being able to hit 360 with no more risk than play a straight drive, sone batsmen can swap hands with little to no risk as they have become so good at it.

I was chatting to Cosgrove the other day (not that his a great example) but he was saying he sees the ramp as a less risky shot than a straight drive in a t20 game.

Driving it means your hitting to two fielders on the boundary, you need to get a huge piece of it, if the balls seams either way your in serious trouble and if you don't judge the speed your likely to sky it

The ramp your using the speed of the ball, if it's a slower ball than your less likely to hit for 6 or 4 but risk of getting out hasn't changed because your placing the bat there regardless of speed the second u judge the length, fielders are most likely on the ring so a metre either side and you won't be caught. Missing the ball and being bowled is no issue because either shot ur relying on your hand eye

The modern day batsmen isn't scared of being bowled or getting lbw because they back their hand eye and the for billion hours of batting on a bowling machine to hit the ball

[The Bedge]

Batsmen see trying to hit to their weakness a much bigger risk than moving slightly on the crease and hitting to their strength

But you said Batsmen these days play 360 degrees

[Booney]

Batsmen see trying to hit to their weakness a much bigger risk than moving slightly on the crease and hitting to their strength

But you said Batsmen these days play 360 degrees

Just when I go to do something (productive ) I miss out on this zinger.

So they bat 360° but have weak zones? No wonder I don't get this "cricket" they're playing.

[whufc]

What I'm saying is that the batsmen as a collective have the ability to hit 360 on the ground!!

Not all batsmen can hit to every part of the ground but throughout a teams innings not one part of the ground is unreachable

You can't simple go into an innings and say we are going to ball top of off stump and we are just going to set this field because Smith will be comfortable smashing you through leg, Warner will be giving himself room and hitting 100 through the off side and Maxwell will step a foot across leg and play his favourite shot the ramp over the keepers head

As South Africa worked out the best line to Warner is middle and leg and generally a tad shorter. During the test the commentators mentioned it's very rare Warner gets out from balls between off stump and 1 stump outside off, most of his dismissals come from balls on middle and leg line or real wide outside off when he flays at it

[The Bedge]

I'm a fair fisherman haha!

Yes, as a COLLECTIVE sides can hit around the ground.. individually as you just highlighted, it's much more difficult.. so have plans for batsmen and execute - don't have to keep changing.. as you pointed out, bowl middle and leg back of a length to Warner and you're a chance - so if i know this, why as a bowler would i bowl 6 different bowls all varied line, length and pace? Why not focus on that spot and adjust pace as needed?

If Maxwell is going to sweep and ramp me, then why aren't i just going to bowl that back of a length spot, or push wide of off where he will struggle to lap and sweep?

If Smith is going to hit through leg, then i'm not going to bowl straight at him am i?

Surely just because it's T20 there is no need to over complicate things

[Booney]

You've lost, you brought Maxwell into the argument.

As for using Smith as an example. Full, foot outside off, stack cover, point AND mid wicket / square leg and see how he goes playing the "V" straight down the ground.

[whufc]

You've lost, you brought Maxwell into the argument.

As for using Smith as an example. Full, foot outside off, stack cover, point AND mid wicket / square leg and see how he goes playing the "V" straight down the ground.

Yeah brining Maxwell in is probably deserved of a ban

I agree with that about Smith you have to get a good 2-3 stumps outside off and full

Even then we have seen Smith in test cricket take his stance outside off before the bowlers even bowled

[The Bedge]

Yeah brining Maxwell in is probably deserved of a ban

I agree with that about Smith you after get a good 2-3 stumps outside and full

Come on whufc! Don't show weakness now - don't concede!!

You just need to stick with the contest a little longer, and he will roll over and give up like Port sides in recent seasons

[Booney]

Yeah brining Maxwell in is probably deserved of a ban

I agree with that about Smith you after get a good 2-3 stumps outside and full

Come on whufc! Don't show weakness now - don't concede!!

You just need to stick with the contest a little longer, and he will roll over and give up like Port sides in recent seasons

That's the problem with the youth of today, they don't know how to build an argument like we do.

All these video games and T20 cricket.....

[whufc]

Yeah brining Maxwell in is probably deserved of a ban

I agree with that about Smith you after get a good 2-3 stumps outside and full

Come on whufc! Don't show weakness now - don't concede!!

You just need to stick with the contest a little longer, and he will roll over and give up like Port sides in recent seasons

Don't worry mate I have 119 dot points yet to come

[Booney]

You've lost, you brought Maxwell into the argument.

As for using Smith as an example. Full, foot outside off, stack cover, point AND mid wicket / square leg and see how he goes playing the "V" straight down the ground.

Yeah brining Maxwell in is probably deserved of a ban

I agree with that about Smith you have to get a good 2-3 stumps outside off and full

Even then we have seen Smith in test cricket take his stance outside off before the bowlers even bowled

I don't think anyone has been patient enough with Smith, they're all chopping and changing line and length trying to get him. Sound familiar?

I'd be making him play up and down the "V" as much as possible. one thing he doesn't do all that well is get forward so I'd be right up there and working on a nick to get him.

[Booney]

Yeah brining Maxwell in is probably deserved of a ban

I agree with that about Smith you after get a good 2-3 stumps outside and full

Come on whufc! Don't show weakness now - don't concede!!

You just need to stick with the contest a little longer, and he will roll over and give up like Port sides in recent seasons

Don't worry mate I have 119 dot points yet to come

118, Maxwell doesn't count.

[whufc]

You've lost, you brought Maxwell into the argument.

As for using Smith as an example. Full, foot outside off, stack cover, point AND mid wicket / square leg and see how he goes playing the "V" straight down the ground.

Yeah brining Maxwell in is probably deserved of a ban

I agree with that about Smith you have to get a good 2-3 stumps outside off and full

Even then we have seen Smith in test cricket take his stance outside off before the bowlers even bowled

I don't think anyone has been patient enough with Smith, they're all chopping and changing line and length trying to get him. Sound familiar?

I'd be making him play up and down the "V" as much as possible. one thing he doesn't do all that well is get forward so I'd be right up there and working on a nick to get him.

Agree bowlers aren't patient enough in crickey these days

In saying that though batsmen even in test cricket score at such a run rate that it makes it hard for captains to remain patient

Stay patient with Warner 10 overs and if it doesn't work he could be 50+

I guess with all the scrutiny these days it's much easier for a captain to defend the 'we tried different things to get him out' ' than the I remained patient' line

[Lightning McQueen]

Agree bowlers aren't patient enough in crickey these days

In saying that though batsmen even in test cricket score at such a run rate that it makes it hard for captains to remain patient

Stay patient with Warner 10 overs and if it doesn't work he could be 50+

I guess with all the scrutiny these days it's much easier for a captain to defend the 'we tried different things to get him out' ' than the I remained patient' line

Don't you hate it when spell check changes the word cricket into a word that doesn't exist.

[Dogwatcher]

I've tried to like T20 cricket. I've tried to understand why others like it.
I'll go to matches because the kids like it.
But last night, Ben Dunk and Kelvin Smith bowling at the start of the innings is probably why I'll never fall in love with the game.

[heater31]

I've tried to like T20 cricket. I've tried to understand why others like it.
I'll go to matches because the kids like it.
But last night, Ben Dunk and Kelvin Smith bowling at the start of the innings is probably why I'll never fall in love with the game.

That's not your fault....that's the Strikers Administrators fault for not recruiting quality slow bowlers instead of stealing them from New Zealand!

[bennymacca]

I've tried to like T20 cricket. I've tried to understand why others like it.
I'll go to matches because the kids like it.
But last night, Ben Dunk and Kelvin Smith bowling at the start of the innings is probably why I'll never fall in love with the game.

I think they key is to accept its not test cricket and never will be a suitable substitute for such.

But as a different game entirely it has its place.

International cricket can certainly learn from the fact that like most other sports, the Big Bash has a defined goal and a winner at the end of the season. With the exception of world cups, cricket doesnt really.

The sooner test cricket adopts some sort of meaningful championship the better