SMA - the lies now start to surface

[Bulls forever]

So after all that, these things are clear,

- Mclaughlin is a liar and no one likes him.
- Secondly UKF and BDP cannot agree and tipping don't like each others posts which are getting very personal

Can we move on and let this thread disappear

[UK Fan]

So after all that, these things are clear,

- Mclaughlin is a liar and no one likes him.
- Secondly UKF and BDP cannot agree and tipping don't like each others posts which are getting very personal

Can we move on and let this thread disappear

Thank you!!!

And i apologise bull4eva. I was in disbelief that an usual intelligent poster like bdp2 could be so wrong and not see it.

[UK Fan]

UKinit is this thread about you being right or the AO?

You've even been corrected by a fellow no voter on your latest rubbish what a disaster

Wrong again As stated above by bulls forever mclachlan lied.

[whufc]

Question

Did McLaughlin say

"we will never lose a test once we have the new redevelopment"

or

"we will never lose a test match once we have the redevelopment provided its a five test summer"

[UK Fan]

Question

Did McLaughlin say

"we will never lose a test once we have the new redevelopment"

or

"we will never lose a test match once we have the redevelopment provided its a five test summer"

Bingo!!!!

[RustyCage]

Did he say we will never lose A test match from the Adelaide Oval or did he say we will never lose THE test match from the Adelaide Oval?

They are two very different things...

[UK Fan]

Did he say we will never lose A test match from the Adelaide Oval or did he say we will never lose THE test match from the Adelaide Oval?

They are two very different things...

Read his quote nugget and get back to us!!!

[RustyCage]

For someone who mentioned people firing insults around you sure do a lot of it!

I've read his quote. And I've read comment after comment by UKikinit Fan repeating the same thing over and over without actually answering anyone's question.

Surely being the expert on all things like you are, I don't have to explain to you the difference between "a" and the "the" as grammatical modifiers in a sentence

[RustyCage]

Question

Did McLaughlin say

"we will never lose a test once we have the new redevelopment"

or

"we will never lose a test match once we have the redevelopment provided its a five test summer"

Bingo!!!!

Didn't want to answer the question?

[Hondo]

I think UKinit missed Whufc's point

Subject to Whufc clarifying what his point was

[UK Fan]

I think UKinit missed Whufc's point

Subject to Whufc clarifying what his point was

Question

Did McLaughlin say

"we will never lose a test once we have the new redevelopment"

or

"we will never lose a test match once we have the redevelopment provided its a five test summer"

Bingo!!!!

Didn't want to answer the question?

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!

Both of You still can't figure out whufcs point.

Hint for both you Einsteins. Read Mclachlans quote. Read whufcs question.

The answer lies within.

I hope this helps with the clarification of whufcs point
My apologies to kickinit. Even he would of understood that

[Hondo]

UK

Yes it's perfectly clear if you are playing pedantics. I was giving whufc the benefit of the doubt.

It seems if I was to RSVP to a party organised by you I'll need to be extremely clear about what I say (and have it written into a stat dec to avoid mis-interpretation) ...

"I will attend your party provided:
- I am alive
- I am not unexpectedly out of the State
- I am not otherwise incapacitated including but not limited to serious injury requiring hospitalisation
- the world does not end prior to the date of the party".

Otherwise if I don't attend for reasons outside my control you will call me a liar.

[The Riddler]

Question

Did McLaughlin say

"we will never lose a test once we have the new redevelopment"

or

"we will never lose a test match once we have the redevelopment provided its a five test summer"

I'm pretty sure he said this whufc
Looks like another clear case of Mclachlan is making promises he cant keep.

Seems UK Fan was on the money again

[Aerie]

In order of preference of Test matches, it would go:

1st: Melbourne/Sydney
2nd: Adelaide
3rd: Brisbane/Perth
4th: Hobart

I went to the Brisbane Test last year and the crowds were appalling. The atmosphere non-existent. Even during the development, but particularly after, Adelaide Oval would clearly be the 3rd most appealing Test ground in Australia and if 2014/15 is only a 4 Test series Hobart and one of Brisbane or Perth would be the ones to miss.

[Dutchy]

If there is no test at Adelaide Oval the SACA board will get shot, cant believe some people are suggesting it might happen

[The Dark Knight]

If there is no test at Adelaide Oval the SACA board will get shot, cant believe some people are suggesting it might happen

Agreed, I can't believe it either. I think it's a bit ridiculous to say that.

[bulldogproud2]

I had hoped not to make any more comments on this issue but I will make a few final ones:

Firstly, apologies to UKFan for letting things get personal. I can tell that you are very passionate about your cricket and that is great to see.

Secondly, there is no guarantee that Adelaide Oval will even 'miss out' on the test in 2014/15. This is a certainty according to only one person I can see (UKFan). Even Richard Earle stated it as an opinion, not a certainty. I still believe there will be a test held in Adelaide in that season.

Third, if there is a test held then this argument even becomes irrelevant and there is no way anyone can say that Ian McLachlan has lied about it then. No matter your view of the word 'lose', if we have a test, then, as I have said many times, we have not lost a test match.

Fourth, having spoken to a lawyer at school today, even if Adelaide does not host a test next season, Ian McLachlan cannot be held by law to have lied with his statement. As my lawyer friend said, for Ian to have lied, he would have had to make a statement along the lines of "Adelaide Oval will host a test in 2014/15". Then, yes, I would agree with UKFan that this was a false statement of Mr. McLachlan's.

Fifth, no matter what the semantics of the argument are, we need to look behind the wording to look at intent. As defined in the Oxford Dictionary, a lie is an 'intentional false statement'.
Did Mr McLachlan attempt to provide a false statement intentionally?? I would believe that the answer to this is 'no'. He was simply trying to state (and I think we can all accept this) that the chances of Adelaide Oval being granted a test are improved, not hindered, by the redevelopment. Did he carelessly forget that sometimes there are less than five tests held in a summer and one of the usual test venues would have to miss out? Yes, but having had five tests per year for many years, I believe he can be forgiven this.

Sixth, did UKFan lie by stating that Ian McLachlan lied?? No, I don't believe so. His intent was never to give a deliberately false impression. Like Mr McLachlan, he let emotion ride in his argument and gave his heartfelt opinion.

Seventh, is UKFan a good bloke?? HELL YES, and he barracks for the right football team!!

Eighth, do UKFan and I sometimes let our passions run a bit too freely?? You betcha!!

Ninth, are we prepared to bury the hatchet, shake the olive branch and be friends again? I hope so

[UK Fan]

I had hoped not to make any more comments on this issue but I will make a few final ones:

Firstly, apologies to UKFan for letting things get personal. I can tell that you are very passionate about your cricket and that is great to see.

Secondly, there is no guarantee that Adelaide Oval will even 'miss out' on the test in 2014/15. This is a certainty according to only one person I can see (UKFan). Even Richard Earle stated it as an opinion, not a certainty. I still believe there will be a test held in Adelaide in that season.

Third, if there is a test held then this argument even becomes irrelevant and there is no way anyone can say that Ian McLachlan has lied about it then. No matter your view of the word 'lose', if we have a test, then, as I have said many times, we have not lost a test match.

Fourth, having spoken to a lawyer at school today, even if Adelaide does not host a test next season, Ian McLachlan cannot be held by law to have lied with his statement. As my lawyer friend said, for Ian to have lied, he would have had to make a statement along the lines of "Adelaide Oval will host a test in 2014/15". Then, yes, I would agree with UKFan that this was a false statement of Mr. McLachlan's.

Fifth, no matter what the semantics of the argument are, we need to look behind the wording to look at intent. As defined in the Oxford Dictionary, a lie is an 'intentional false statement'.
Did Mr McLachlan attempt to provide a false statement intentionally?? I would believe that the answer to this is 'no'. He was simply trying to state (and I think we can all accept this) that the chances of Adelaide Oval being granted a test are improved, not hindered, by the redevelopment. Did he carelessly forget that sometimes there are less than five tests held in a summer and one of the usual test venues would have to miss out? Yes, but having had five tests per year for many years, I believe he can be forgiven this.

Sixth, did UKFan lie by stating that Ian McLachlan lied?? No, I don't believe so. His intent was never to give a deliberately false impression. Like Mr McLachlan, he let emotion ride in his argument and gave his heartfelt opinion.

Seventh, is UKFan a good bloke?? HELL YES, and he barracks for the right football team!!

Eighth, do UKFan and I sometimes let our passions run a bit too freely?? You betcha!!

Ninth, are we prepared to bury the hatchet, shake the olive branch and be friends again? I hope so

You betcha bdp !!!

For the record I have never stated we would lose the test. I like Richard Earl are talking "if" we lose the test. But I do believe GABBA is a tough opponent. I like others was surprised to see WACA listed as third but the ratings argument makes sense. Thus proving ultimately it will be potential ratings from the billion strong audience in India that will dictate the answer not population/potential crowds IMHO!! A sad reality of modern day sport. As BDP2 has stated we have missed out before.

As for Mclachlan statement clearly should of been " with the redevelopment our chances are enhanced/improved to always maintain a test in Adelaide" IMHO!!! I'd he did we wouldn't of wasted two days on this crap. But his statement is very clear. As for intent that's up to individual interpretation. With a room full of voters to sway to vote for a $600 mill Cheque im not convinced my old mate Ian would of said anything. But that's just my opinion.

Youll also note im not that only poster who thinks Mclachlan lied btw.

[bulldogproud2]

True, although I still don't think his intention was to deliberately be dishonest. I still think he, like you and I, let emotions get the better of him. I don't think he thought of the consequences of a shortened test series. I know that I wouldn't have, in the same place as him.
If this was a false statement, I think it was a very minor one compared to some he has made. I have never said that he has always been factual. In fact, I am very confident that he twisted points at time to make his argument. Heck, unfortunately that is what public figures do.
I still think that there are problems such as parking with the SMA. However, I suppose I have tried to be optimistic. I believe that, in the end, the new stadium will be much better than Football Park. I also see chances of revenue coming from it for clubs such as my beloved West Torrens, a club I would die for!!

Cheers, my friend

[Hondo]

Decent response UK sometimes you surprise me and you know I don't give you compliments easily

I do note however that only a couple of your ring in mates agreed with you